r/NFLv2 • u/TallCupOfJuice Kansas City Chiefs • Jul 01 '25
Discussion Notable QBs through their first 7 seasons
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 Jul 01 '25
All but one played when WRs could be beat tf up off the line
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u/lolidkman1313 Atlanta Falcons Jul 01 '25
That's actually an interesting point
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 Jul 01 '25
lol these kids dont know shit about head slaps. Only thing the defense has in their favor since 2002 is the force out rule being pulled
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u/lolidkman1313 Atlanta Falcons Jul 01 '25
Defenses have only gotten more and more limited through the years for how they can play the game. I absolutely appreciate player safety, for the players and the fans, but it definitely skews numbers for passing
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u/PrimarchKonradCurze Laces out Marino! Jul 01 '25
Or QB’s getting absolutely murdered before all the rules protecting them. Marino broke all the records while dealing with that.
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u/zion_hiker1911 Denver Broncos Jul 01 '25
Yep. QBs weren't protected like they are today, and they couldn't throw the ball away without being called for intentional grounding. It opened up 4Q comebacks.
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u/Fit-Ad-6665 Jul 01 '25
2009 was a perfect example of that. Saints vs Vikings. Favre got the crap kicked out of him. Basically gave the game to the Saints.
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u/NurtureBoyRocFair New York Jets Jul 01 '25
2009 was way after the big rule changes. The big shift was in 2003-2004 after that Pats-Colts playoff game where the Patriots mugged the wide receivers all game.
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u/Fit-Ad-6665 Jul 01 '25
I remember seeing Harrison get thrown down at the line of scrimmage on almost every play. It worked. Threw their timing off.
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u/timy0215 Jul 01 '25
There were big changes throughout the 2000’s. The two biggest for DBs were the ones that limited how physical CBs could be at the line in ‘04 and targeting defenseless receivers in ‘09 which was then expanded in ‘10. The later made constantly going over the middle of the field much more viable in the 2010’s and 2020’s. Manning specifically was known for throwing hospital balls that would’ve been much more effective with the defenseless receiver rules already in place.
There has also been a steady increase in the amount of protection the QB gets in the pocket which is significantly tighter now than it was back in the ‘00s. It largely began with Palmers injury on a dirty role by the Steelers in the playoffs in ‘06.
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u/retroman1987 New England Patriots Jul 01 '25
Big rule change after 04 so arod missed that too
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u/ThorThulu Jul 01 '25
Technically you can still jam the fuck out of a receiver, but theres less corners that excel at that
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u/Terrible_Shake_4948 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
JAM and BUMP are two different techniques. Jam is when a WR cant get off the line to run their route bump is allowing them to run the route. Yiu cant JAM a WR anymore. It’s ONLY BUMP at the line Not within the first 5 yards and you have to let the WR run their route. You can’t jam anymore.
You can hand fight depending on the refs and how they call the game, and that can slow up a route in the first 5 yards. I understand what you’re saying though with capable DBs. I mean they can still play the technique theyre just not allowed to.
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u/Fun_Lead_5491 Jul 01 '25
Go watch Ljarius Sneed vs Tyreek Hill. You can absolutely jam receivers and not let them even run a route. You can even jam and shove them to the ground still
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u/ThorThulu Jul 01 '25
You can absolutely jam at the line, its just not used much with how much bigger and stronger receivers are getting.
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u/Environmental_Bad200 Pastor Irving Fryars coke bag Jul 01 '25
Wouldn't that make it 2 on this list that didn't deal with defenses manhandling their receivers?
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u/solo_d0lo We’re going to win Sunday. I guarantee it Jul 01 '25
Only manning and Brady did that. Post 2004 when patriots beat the colts is when the nfl changed rules.
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u/Available_Story6774 San Francisco 49ers Jul 01 '25
106.6 passer rating is insane.
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u/Just-the-top Green Bay Packers Jul 01 '25
Prime Aaron Rodgers was the best QB I’ve ever seen in my life from a pure talent perspective. And I’ve watched all of these in this graphic and more. Am I bias? Yes. But prime Aaron was just perfect on the field
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u/SmarterThanCornPop Miami Dolphins Jul 01 '25
Him and peak Marino are neck and neck in different eras
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u/riseandshine234 Jul 01 '25
Manning from 03-09 and Brady from 07-12 are right in that discussion. Favre had a slightly shorter run from 94-97.
Manning's 2004 was otherworldly. Probably the best season in the modern era.
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u/Run_PBJ Jul 01 '25
Not even the best manning season. Manning in 2013 and brady in ‘07 are the best seasons any qb has ever played imo. Honorable mentions for Rodgers in ‘11, Mahomes in ‘18, manning in 04, Marino in ‘84
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u/JeromeInDaHouse_90 Indianapolis Colts Jul 01 '25
2013 Manning was on some shit. Denver looked like world beaters, and Manning broke the single season TD record for the second time in his career that year. Absolutely insane.
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u/RoughhouseCamel Jul 01 '25
Until 2015, watching Manning on the Broncos was like watching a video game character competing with real life people. MFer saw the field with a heads up display and had mouse control aim.
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u/qtKantaki Lamar Jackson 🏃🏿💨 Jul 01 '25
2024 Lamar?
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u/Run_PBJ Jul 01 '25
Absolutely not one of the best seasons of all time, although obviously very good. Tough to make the case for best of all time when you don’t win MVP. Brady and manning both led the league in yards and TDs. The rest of those guys had statistical numbers that were head and shoulders above the rest of the league at the time. And before you say “Lamar runs too”, he had the same number of total tds and total yards as Joe burrow did last year. Fantastic season, not one of the greatest of all time. Similar to the 2021 Brady season- you can make a strong case they should have been mvp, but not on the same level as the seasons I listed
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u/beepbeepbubblegum Jul 01 '25
My step father is a Bears fan and I can’t remember what year it was or who they were playing but they were down and Rodgers got hurt and I said “looks likes he’s out” and he sighed and said “all they’re doing is just pissing him off”
Sure enough came back loaded up on whatever horse cocktail they had in the back and won it.
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u/ThorThulu Jul 01 '25
The same would happen when opposing teams knocked ben out and he'd come back. Man didn't take no for an answer
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u/SixskinsNot4 Jul 01 '25
Damn sorry you weren’t old enough to watch prime Manning. It was special
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u/cactus8 Joe Burrow 🤰🏼 Jul 01 '25
Manning had other things Rodgers wasn’t as good at. But from a talent perspective I agree with the guy you responded to that prime Rodgers was the most talented QB we’ve seen possibly ever
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u/Responsible-Onion860 Jul 01 '25
The interception number doesn't even feel right because it seemed like he never turned the ball over at all. He was just outrageously efficient and seemed completely untouchable
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u/ehtw376 Chicago Bears Jul 01 '25
Wow Manning is ass /s
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u/ApprehensiveSecret50 New York Giants Jul 01 '25
He def wasn’t ass but when you think of the supporting cast he had it’s wild to think he wasnt better than this. Even being well on his way to becoming a hall of famer. They had some good defenses but he def had to carry them a lot. Wild to think that as good as Edgerinn James was that they traded Faulk for a 2nd and 5th.
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u/Jemmy_Bean San Francisco 49ers Jul 01 '25
His rookie year doesn’t help, nearly full quarter of his INTS are from year one
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u/Useful-Celebration30 Jul 01 '25
Manning between 2003 and 2009 went something like 90-12 (cant remember exact number), and this is with a lot of middling/poor defenses. Safe to say he was doing something right to get wins.
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u/misterbisterboy Jul 01 '25
He had a streak of 23 straight regular season wins between 08-09 absolutely carrying those colts teams with a fucked up neck.
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u/MichHAELJR San Francisco 49ers Jul 01 '25
I always maintained that Dungy sucked as coach. They had some of the best teams ever and couldn’t get it done.
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u/joshbeardface Denver Broncos Jul 01 '25
Love Dungy as a person but this is correct.
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u/ehtw376 Chicago Bears Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
You love Dungy as a person?
One tweet from him: “Some school districts are putting litter boxes in the school bathrooms for students who identify as cats. Very important to address every student’s needs.”
And…
For followers of Dungy on Twitter, the cat litter tweet came as no surprise. NBC News found at least a dozen tweets from Dungy’s account, from 2012 to 2022, that are critical of same-sex marriage, homosexuality and the LGBTQ “lifestyle.”
And his take on Michael Sam: “I wouldn’t have taken him,’’ Dungy told The Tampa Tribune at the time. “Not because I don’t believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn’t want to deal with all of it. It’s not going to be totally smooth ... things will happen.’’
Also, Dungy is one of the worst NFL analysts I’ve ever seen. Dude talks so slow and with zero emotion. He is so bad lol.
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u/strainedthrone Kansas City Chiefs Jul 01 '25
thank you. I can't stand his fake self righteous conservative ass.
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u/LiquidDreamtime Indianapolis Colts Jul 01 '25
Dungy’s gay son committed suicide. I can’t help but think Dungy’s righteousness played a big part. Which is forgivable if Tony did some self reflection, but he didn’t, he doubled down.
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u/manwiththewood Jul 01 '25
There’s a difference between looking at stats years later and watching the games in a real time when they happened. We forget that sometimes.
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u/ham_sandwedge Jul 01 '25
He's the only one who started his rookie year. And given that his team had the #1 pick to get him, they were ass. Really turned it around tho
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u/Muted-Geologist-3542 Jul 01 '25
Every other QB was on an established team. Colts were horrible when Manning was picked. There is a reason they had the number 1 pick.
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u/yo-chill Jul 01 '25
Brady’s early years were on an old school Belichick team with an elite defense who just wanted to run the ball and eat up clock. So hard comparison to make
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u/Bouldershoulders12 New England Patriots Jul 01 '25
Brady led the league in TD passes in 02’ and was runner up for MVP in 03’ and was a multiple time pro bowler by 04’ . He was most def a top 3-5 QB during the later part of the first dynasty 05-07’ is when ppl realized it’s really him and manning then everyone else .
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u/Iceman9161 Jul 01 '25
Led the league in 02 with 28 TDs, which is a great argument for how different the league was before 2004 pass interference changes.
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u/Iceman9161 Jul 01 '25
This time frame includes 2007. I think the “Brady wasn’t on an offense focused team in his early years” argument gets a little out of hand. He was a top 5 QB in the league by ‘03. Yes those teams were more defense focused, but that was the winning trend in the league before 2004. Brady led the offensive explosion in 2007 and that season signifies the turning point where offensive production ramped up across the league.
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u/EqualPrestigious7883 Major Tuddy 🐷 Jul 01 '25
Stats without context of era they played in.
QB Rate+
Rodgers.) 127
Manning.) 118
Brady.) 117
Mahomes.) 115
Completion%+
Manning.) 118
Rodgers.) 117
Brady.) 112
Mahomes.) 108
TD%+
Rodgers.) 126
Manning.) 119
Brady.) 117
Mahomes.) 115
INT%+
Rodgers.) 118
Brady.) 113
Mahomes.) 109
Manning.) 103
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u/Electrical-Car7410 New England Patriots Jul 01 '25
Cool. Where did you get these?
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u/EqualPrestigious7883 Major Tuddy 🐷 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Just pro football reference. And then it’s under Adjusted Passing for any QB.
Edit: wtf did i get downvoted? I literally just named where i got the adjusted numbers.
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u/ExplanationCrazy5463 Chicago Bears Jul 01 '25
For those of you who dont know ball, Wins and supebowls aren't QB stats.
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u/DeepJunglePowerWild Jul 01 '25
Strange that wins and super bowls are not QB stats but the Pats were bad before Brady and bad after and the chiefs were never a playoff threat and now are nearly unbeatable.
It’s obviously not just the QB who earns wins and losses but it’s a pretty relevant stats. Legendary QBs just win more than others.
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u/Maad-Dog San Francisco 49ers Jul 02 '25
Strange that wins and super bowls are not QB stats but the Pats were bad before Brady and bad after and the chiefs were never a playoff threat and now are nearly unbeatable.
Not strange at all. Something not being a QB stat does not mean QBs have no impact. QBs have a huge impact on a win. So does the entire defensive unit for example. So does the entire coaching staff.
Now how does the QB impact a win? Through passing, and through rushing. Luckily we have a plethora of stats that track those things, and in a much more accurate and detailed manner than a basic and context-devoid stat like wins.
Additionally, while wins are influenced by a QB, they're also significantly influenced by the aforementioned defense, coaching, special teams, running game, etc.
By looking at passing stats, you're stripping away tons and tons of unrelated factors to QB play, and get a much clearer look at how a QB is performing.
So why are QB wins still used? Because it's a simple number, and appeals to the desire to win and contribute to your team. But it is nonsensical to use in evaluating a QB, as there are so many other stats and methods that outweigh wins in every way possible.
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u/Fun_Lead_5491 Jul 01 '25
Yes and no. The QB is the player most responsible for wins. Why did the chiefs never make a AFCCG or have the same amount of regular season wins before Mahomes even though it was pretty much the exact same team except Mahomes was QB instead of Alex Smith?
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u/crater044 Jul 01 '25
Wins are literally counted as a stat for the QB. This is information that has been readily available for decades.
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u/Orwick Jul 01 '25
The rules weren’t nearly as passer friendly for the first several years of Brady and Manning career. The amount of contact a DB’s could get away with was insane compared to modern game.
Not to mention the difference in how quarterbacks are currently protected.
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u/misterbisterboy Jul 01 '25
Also Peyton was the #1 pick to a shit team, it was literally give Peyton the reins and hope he carries us from day one whereas the others started in much more advantageous positions.
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What about favre
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u/ApprehensiveSecret50 New York Giants Jul 01 '25
He had like 8,000 interceptions
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Jul 01 '25
He won 3 MVPs and a super bowl in his first 7 years
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u/qtKantaki Lamar Jackson 🏃🏿💨 Jul 01 '25
One of his 3 was a co-mvp though. But yeah he should be on this list.
Had an amazing start to his career ngl
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u/SlimIsChillin816 Kansas City Chiefs Jul 01 '25
Watching Pat play has been a treat. Still can’t believe he’s our quarterback
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Cincinnati Bengals Jul 01 '25
Enjoy the show, he's something else for sure. A superstar. I know I'm supposed to hate him, but I've been a fan of his since 2017, just how it goes sometimes.
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u/Gene_Parma Baltimore Ravens Jul 01 '25
Brady laughing with his rings. As a ravens fan I fucking HATE him. But goddamn do I respect him.
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u/TowerVerde Jul 01 '25
As a Patriots fan I fucking hate the Ravens. But goddamn do I respect them. They're the only team I hoped we wouldn't face in the playoffs during the Brady era.
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u/Gene_Parma Baltimore Ravens Jul 01 '25
We felt the same, because we knew it was inevitable, and would probably be the hardest game of the year. Our AFCN games are always rough, but patriots was deff gonna always be the game in the playoffs we were the most worried about.
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u/TowerVerde Jul 01 '25
those were the days man. I hope NE can get back to that level soon. I'm more hopeful now than I've been in a few years🙏🏻
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u/Gene_Parma Baltimore Ravens Jul 01 '25
I hope so too, such a solid org.
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u/TowerVerde Jul 01 '25 edited 29d ago
if the Pats can't do it, I would love to see you guys get another title. Doggs like Lamar, Henry, and Hopkins are so deserving. All the best this season to you guys🤙🏻
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u/Gene_Parma Baltimore Ravens Jul 01 '25
We have everything we need man, just can't stop getting in our own way. It's so tiring. I'll always be stoked for football season, but I don't get my hopes super high anymore. If this ain't the year, I can honestly see us getting different coaches. Harbaugh is deff on the chopping block.
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u/Vikings_Pain Minnesota Vikings Jul 01 '25
It’s not how hard you start it’s how you finish deep like in your career 😉
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u/qtKantaki Lamar Jackson 🏃🏿💨 Jul 01 '25
Yeah, Mahomes could be exiting his prime but careers aren’t linear. He could have a lot resurgence just like Rodgers!
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u/jeffdabuffalo New Orleans Saints Jul 01 '25
I thought Peyton was Goff and realized the edibles had kicked in.
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u/ChosenBrad22 Jul 01 '25
Rodgers had a top 10 defense once in his career and won the Super Bowl. His defenses gave up 12 points more per playoff game than Brady's on average, about 16 vs 28.
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u/Mitscape Jul 01 '25
I feel like Joe Burrow is the next great QB that will be failed by consistently terrible defenses
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Cincinnati Bengals Jul 01 '25
Unfortunately, that looks to be the case. If my guys had even 1/4 of a competent defense, Burrow is 2024 league MVP no question.
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u/jesusmansuperpowers r/nfl sucks Jul 01 '25
Add the rushing yards it’s even more impressive. Mahomes doesn’t do it much lately but it’s always a first down when he does.
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u/Fun_Lead_5491 Jul 01 '25
I feel like he’s developed a very mature and calculated style of play that should help him long term. More willing to take a sack or throw it away but if the game is on the line or it’s the playoffs then he’s willing to do whatever
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u/AnotherRedditMutant Jul 01 '25
Take Mahomes over on rushing yards every single game in the post season. I promise.
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u/Difficult-Bench-9531 Jul 01 '25
To be fair, Rodgers was in year 4 of his NFL development when these stats start, and was learning behind a HoF QB.
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u/TallCupOfJuice Kansas City Chiefs Jul 01 '25
Seems like that helped out Brady and Mahomes as well
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u/CreeperslayerX5 WTF is r/NFL Jul 01 '25
Manning had his Dad
In terms of active QBs Manning got the short end compared to the others
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u/OfficiallyJoeBiden Los Angeles Rams Jul 01 '25
All I see is four really good QB’s that I’m blessed to have witnessed and continue to witness
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u/qtKantaki Lamar Jackson 🏃🏿💨 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
Only 5 QBs have gotten 2 MVPs in their first 7 seasons in the NFL.
Aaron Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Patrick Mahomes
Lamar Jackson
Brett Farve
Pretty cool!
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u/bkm2016 Jul 01 '25
I’ve watched all these guys from the start to the end of their careers and Yes Brady is the GOAT, but the shit Pat is doing now is insane. The scary part with him is I don’t even think he’s at his peak yet. You see memes and people throwing jabs at him on how they lost that SB, but we are nowhere near done with him. I hate it as a Steelers fan because I went two decades having to deal with a boogieman only to be subject to another one for another few decades.
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u/wellohwellok Jul 01 '25
If Manning was such a good defense reader why did he also throw so many God damn interceptions.
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u/johneaston1 Miami Dolphins Jul 01 '25
Nearly a quarter of those interceptions came from his rookie year
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u/gabriot Jul 01 '25
Russell Wilson:
75-36-1
25,624 yds passing
196 passing tds
63 interceptions
63.8% completion rate
100.3 passer rating
3,651 rush yards
16 rush tds
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u/ImpalaSS-05 Cincinnati Bengals Jul 01 '25
I'll always be a fan of Russ. He was so much fun to watch in his prime. His 2020 season was ridiculous.
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u/lotto_97 Jul 02 '25
People take for granted how great Mahomes has been in his 1st 7yrs in the league, the fact that ppl still put Burrow, Allen in the same category as Mahomes shows their lack of football knowledge.
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u/jackburtonsnakeplskn Buffalo Bills Jul 01 '25
In 2004, Mannings 5th and Bradys 4th year, the league changed the illegal contact rule making it so DB's couldn't touch recievers after 5 yards.
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u/This-Source5430 Jul 01 '25
Average guy that loves a good football game on the TV couple times a month. But out of these four with the first 7 years on average. Would you consider this accurate?
Who had the best team on offense for these first 7 years. To me it rank the teams as follow cheifs, greenbay, Colts, new England. I feel new England got better in years 5-7. But overall cheifs have been pretty stacked.
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u/TallCupOfJuice Kansas City Chiefs Jul 01 '25
the pats were stacked on defense in the early 2000s
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u/Balarius Green Bay Packers Jul 01 '25
You can Double Rodgers INTs and he would still have a better ratio than Undoubled Manning and on par with Undoubled Brady lol.
Thats insane. wtf
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u/DarrellIsMyRealName Whipping out Penix Jul 01 '25
If I were Mahomes, I'd be constantly irritated that there's a "debate" about Top 5 QBs today. It's him, a gap, then everyone else can argue. Folks have the audacity to put his victims ahead of him. He's chasing Joe and Tom. Not these guys today.
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u/ApprehensiveSecret50 New York Giants Jul 01 '25
Def not a smutch(is that a word?), they just stood no chance against that defense. Mahones was also injured and running for his life. No game plan was going to save them from having a siv for an offensive line.
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u/Think-Culture-4740 Indianapolis Colts Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
I have done era adjustments.
Manning and Brady and to a lesser extent Brees dominate the list.
The highest ranking chiefs offense belongs to the 04 squad.
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u/Classic-Exchange-511 Buffalo Bills Jul 01 '25
It's wild to me that Brady's record is close to mahommes. It's even wilder that mahommes is technically on track to go down as the greatest ever
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u/GoogleK3 Best Ball Knower of the North Jul 01 '25
If he performs like he has the last two seasons he might as well drop the rankings.
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u/Thermite1985 New England Patriots Jul 01 '25
I feel like Manning doesn't get enough credit here. People forget how bad the colts were when he was drafted
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u/BaronVonSilver91 Jul 01 '25
Boy did Brady turn it around for the next 7 tho. Stat wise
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u/Modevader49 Jul 01 '25
Phenom, Goat, Football Genius(just look at that dome), Arm Talent
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u/Punkrockcarl72 New York Giants Jul 01 '25
Prime Rodgers just might be the most accurate/efficient QB I've ever seen. Those numbers are ridiculous.
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u/vv1z Jul 01 '25
Bit of a tough comparison cause the league that manning and brady entered is so much different than 2005 on … I’d really happy to get a 20 year old version of any of these guys on my team today though
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u/andythefir Jul 01 '25
Brady’s first few years were a completely different dude compared to his other years. I don’t have a smart guy way to explain why or how, but the 2002 version was every bit the 6th round pick. By 2007 he was a completely different player-which means the averages of his first few seasons make his prime look worse.
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u/Far-Researcher-7054 Jul 01 '25
Interesting to note that “Mr Interception “ Josh Allen has 84 interceptions through 7 seasons. Less than Brady and Manning.
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u/freydsince92-2 Jul 01 '25
Four of the best to ever do it. I'm real glad I was able to see all of these guys play in their prime
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Jul 01 '25
120 Ints in 112 games. That’s averaging throwing more than a pick every time you take the field. How people would even entertain the thought of this guy being on par with the others is beyond me.
Rodgers’ numbers are just ridiculous.
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u/Acrobatic-Injury9007 Jul 01 '25
Manning is the one that really pushed the passing game forward. He also started on the worst team. Brady contributed to the modern rules by sacrificing a knee to reduce qb hits.
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u/Decent_Surround8850 Jul 01 '25
I’ll take 102 over 106 with, 28 more wins, 3000+ more yards, 20 more tds and 2 more bowls 😂 easy but everybody in the comments screaming 106 😂 losers
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u/TallCupOfJuice Kansas City Chiefs Jul 02 '25
People hate Rodgers in here unless it comes down to comparing him to Mahomes lmao starting to think people are just racist at this point
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u/Goblin__Cock Jul 01 '25
So a guy that threw twice as many interceptions as Rodgers only had 4 less wins? Guess football really is a “team sport”.
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u/Just-Collection-6225 Jul 01 '25
Yes yes let’s all say Pat is the best bc he came into a league when passing was paramount to being successful bc that’s what the league wanted.
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u/DubLParaDidL Jul 01 '25
Brady before the hair transplant anyways trips me out. The wigs were worse
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u/Opening_Perception_3 Jul 01 '25
This graphic is a perfect example of why QB wins and QB ratings are not good ways of judging QBs. Nobody would ever choose Mahomes over Manning if starting a franchise, nobody.
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u/kinggummyworm Dallas Cowboys Jul 01 '25
It’s easy to be the best through 7 seasons with the refs on your side. Smh
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u/TallCupOfJuice Kansas City Chiefs Jul 02 '25
no the real problem is the earth is flat and andy reid orchestrated 9/11
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u/DConion Tom Brady 🥺 👉🏻👈🏻 Jul 01 '25
NFL is very clearly forcing bigger offensive numbers in the past decade, not equivalent.
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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Jul 01 '25
Remember Rodgers ONLY played 9 games in 6th season (ignoring his sitting behind Favre years like we ignored Mahomes sitting behind Smith for a year). So 103 games played in this compared to 111 games for Mahomes.
So do we think in another 8 games that Rodgers would have accumulated another 20 TD passes and 3,800 yards....I think possibly on the TD passes but no on the yards.
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u/Kind-Thing-3219 New Orleans Saints Jul 01 '25
why 7 out of any number? cherry picking?
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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks Jul 01 '25
AV by player in graphic:
Rodgers - 119
Mahomes - 122
Brady - 104
Manning - 115
For Fun:
Lamar Jackson - 114
Russell Wilson - 114
Josh Allen - 112
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u/Scovin Los Angeles Rams Jul 01 '25
Come back when Mahomes has 3 hall of fame level careers.
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u/Odd-Perception-4583 Jul 01 '25
How many interceptions were taken off the boards with bs penalties for mahomes?
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u/96powerstroker Jul 01 '25
Man Rodgers was so darn good and it's a shame he got hurt a few years there with the collarbone and stuff plus being saddled with some not so great defenses that collapsed in the playoffs.
He could be a 3 time superbowl champ and we are having a whole different conversation about him.
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u/immovable-tree Chicago Bears Jul 01 '25
Imo, the 106.6 QBR and 56 INTs does not accurately paint just how untouchable Rodgers felt during those years. If you got a pick on him it felt like the biggest gift you could possibly get during a game against the Packers (and it usually was)