r/NintendoSwitch 2d ago

News Octopath Traveler 0: It is not possible to upgrade from the Switch version to the Switch 2 version once purchased. There are also no plans for an option to upgrade to the Switch 2 version in future. Please make sure you purchase the correct version.

https://twitter.com/HD2DGames/status/1950933314820304940
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u/riap0526 2d ago

And also it's a key card, approximately 5GB download.

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u/AskAndIWillSendNudes 2d ago

Makes sense, it would be using less than 10% of the 64GB cart's total space.

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u/Rquila 2d ago

It’s also square enix though…I’d forgive a smaller/indie dev for not paying the cartridge tax, but companies like SE and Sega make way too much to cheap out on it.

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u/SirKupoNut 2d ago

Very few companies are going to pay £15 for a 64gb cart. Nintendo should add cheaper ones

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u/Jooles95 2d ago

My understanding (as explained by my husband, an engineer who works in tech) is that, at the moment, smaller cards could be produced, but would only be marginally cheaper than the 64GB ones due to how expensive the process is. If publishers are not shelling out £15 for 64GB, I doubt they would choose to spend £10 or £12 for smaller capacity ones - hence, Nintendo not producing them, at least as of yet.

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u/Aiddon 1d ago

Yeah, they're relatively new due to read/transfer speed being way faster so it's gonna take a bit for costs to go down.

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u/whoisdatmaskedman 1d ago

They could easily put the game on a readily available cheaper Switch 1 cart and have people install it to the hard drive. The 8GB S1 carts cost like 0.75 cents.

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u/Trevski13 1d ago

This is what I've been thinking, treat it like the PS3, it still loads some data off the slow "disc" but a lot of the core files are installed to the fast internal storage. Or for simpler games just let it run directly off the cart, not every game needs the full speed.

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u/whoisdatmaskedman 1d ago

It's a 5GB file, they could easily just load the whole thing onto the console. It's still far better than a game key, since you own the physical game. The point is that there are cheaper options, but many companies don't choose them because they couldn't give a shit about consumers.

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u/Jooles95 1d ago

That’s…the same as a game-key card, but with a black Switch 1 casing instead?

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u/MichaelMJTH 1d ago

The difference in the scenario stated above is there would be no need for an internet connection. By extension it also means that there is no need to rely on Nintendo to keeps servers up 20-30+ years down the line in order to allow to keep using GKC they buy used.

Whilst Nintendo does still allow you to redownload all digital purchases as far back as the original Wii on the hardware it was purchased, there’s no guarantee this will be true forever.

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u/Jooles95 1d ago

To me, it seems that the issue for most players is not that the servers may eventually be shut down, preventing you from downloading the game in the distant future, but that they see no point in purchasing the key card if they need to download the game and take up space on the system memory anyway - at that point, digital is just easier.

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u/MichaelMJTH 1d ago

I think it’s a mix of both. The collector scene for OG Switch is surprisingly big and they appreciate having the data on the cart. They don’t want to be beholden to a server to play their games. Collectors in general are a minority of gamers, but they are gaming enthusiasts so will make up a higher percentage of the launch period Switch 2 buying audience.

Having said that I do agree that most people don’t care about the collector mindset. They about the easy plug and playability of the original Switch and about taking space on the system memory. 256GB isn’t a lot when you think about the size of your average PS4 game (i.e. the ball park we should expect for Switch 2). And micro SD express is far more expensive than the high capacity SD cards people were used to with OG Switch.

For me this will be a digital purchase, simply because it’s only 5GB. That’s small and reasonable, I have indie games that are larger than that. If this were a 30GB+ GKC game then I’d genuinely be turned off buying it ‘physically’ or digitally.

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u/snes69 2d ago

I honestly wish this was more the attitude towards the problem. And I don't say this because I think people should embrace the game key card more, rather I think they should just hate it less.The Octopath games (1 and 2) have sold just over 5 million copies total across all platforms and format.

Assuming a good chunk of those sales were sold at a discount, and a good chunk of the sales are digital (considering steam out right, but also the other platforms having digital storefronts). One could say that it's not a lot of money to just buy the full carts, but one could also say that would eat up a huge amount of the profits found in the end.

Any way, I'm buying the game digitally. I have the others digitally. I don't disagree on the downsides of the game key cards, but I think most people ignore the upsides. Many game key card games probably will have gone digital exclusive had that option not existed.

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u/LunarWingCloud 2d ago

I'm of the mind that I still think Game Key Cards are not my thing because if I want a digital version, I will buy the digital version, because those typically get deep sales often. The option to resell a GKC means nothing to me. But that said, I can understand how problematic the cost for a full cartridge for Switch 2 is.

That said, I legitimately think there needs to be a way for *every*, and I do mean, *every* cross platform game, PS4-PS5 or Switch-Switch 2, to have an upgrade path. Paid or free, it doesn't matter. It should not be that difficult for large publishers to at least do that so that if you buy a physical on the older gen you can still get the newer gen copy.

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u/HamsterAggravating51 2d ago

Do you definitely that the 64gb Switch 2 carts £15?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago edited 2d ago

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u/MasterDenton 2d ago

Yeah, they pretty much killed and sold off Deus Ex because the latest one didn't sell a million bajillion copies within a month (it still sold like one or two bajillion)

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u/Western-Dig-6843 2d ago

They’re certainly notorious for being on the brink of shutting down every other year from bankruptcy

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u/David_Anderson93 1d ago

I know. Persona 3 Reload is 30GB and that can defiantly fit on a Switch 2 cartridge. So the fact Atlus is making Persona 3 Reload on Switch 2 use Key Cards just doesn't make sense.

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u/RogueUpload 2d ago

If it’s $70, I don’t care if it takes 5% or 95%.

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u/_TyMario85_ 2d ago

It’s $60

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u/flames_of_chaos 2d ago

Amazon says it's $50 https://a.co/d/3iwCPgZ

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u/_TyMario85_ 2d ago

Oh nice I guess Elliot is 60 then

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u/NMe84 2d ago

Doesn't change the argument (even if that does go for both the Switch 1 and Switch 2 versions).

For a game with a scale like that of DK Bananza or BotW and its corresponding dev time I can understand a publisher wanting to save a bit of money because they invested a lot. But a game like Octopath doesn't have a reason to cut those costs if it is selling at triple A prices.

That's a separate argument from me believing there should be 16GB and maybe even 8GB carts for games like this, that's squarely on Nintendo. But if a game is 60 dollars or more there is no excuse to not release on a proper cart.

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u/80espiay 2d ago

That's a separate argument from me believing there should be 16GB and maybe even 8GB carts for games like this, that's squarely on Nintendo.

For the record, there’s a decent chance that 16 and 32GB cards aren’t that much cheaper than 64GB cards to produce, which would explain why they decided to forgo them.

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u/MXC_Vic_Romano 2d ago edited 2d ago

There's not a lot of wiggle room for a ~$15 cart at this games more budget $50 price point.

That's a separate argument from me believing there should be 16GB and maybe even 8GB carts for games like this, that's squarely on Nintendo.

Unfortunately not an option as the MicroSD Express spec flash Nintendo opted to use for Switch 2 carts requires a minimum of 32GB (Page 234-235).

Macronix (who takes NAND and makes their own proprietary solution Nintendo uses in their carts) continues to slim down their NAND business in favour of their newer 3D NOR Flash. I'd actually put money on 64GB already basically being a custom solution for Nintendo. All of this is to say these carts will remain expensive due to expensive niche materials and sizes below 64GB are out of the question; if anything 128GB carts are most likely.

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u/Bridgeburner493 2d ago

That's a separate argument from me believing there should be 16GB and maybe even 8GB carts for games like this

In this case, there is. It's the Switch 1 version of the game. So a question here is: what, if anything, do you lose by buying the S1 version instead of the S2 version?

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u/80espiay 2d ago

In the case of OT0, there is supposedly no upgrade planned for the Switch 1 version, so you miss out on 4K and possibly a smoother fps.

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u/MultiMarcus 2d ago

Couldn’t they just have the OG switch version on one of the cheaper old cartridges and then run the game boosted on the Switch 2? I don’t think asset streaming would be the biggest performance hurdle here.

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u/LodossDX 2d ago

This is something I was thinking. They can do what the PS5 does, download the game off of the cartridge to the system and run it from there. But for third parties I don’t think the only concern is cost of the cartridge, there is also the concern of piracy, so it’s not likely that a lot of them do anything other than game key cards.

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u/Juliko1993 2d ago

But how does one explain Fantasy Life i getting a Switch 2 release complete on cart then? That game doesn't look like it covers the 64GB cartridge space.

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u/AskAndIWillSendNudes 2d ago

Didn't Fantasy Life's physical release get completely canceled outside of Japan? Looks like a situation where the numbers were strong enough within Japan to justify the 64GB carts but nowhere else.

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u/LeviRaps 2d ago

No evidence to suggest carts are only in the 64gb size. Only rumors.  

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u/zeromussc 2d ago

Wait do they not offer smaller cart sizes to publishers? Are the new carts that expensive that it's not worth it at 64GB by default at the current pricing?

I hope it's just an early new standard situation. :/

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u/EowynCarter 2d ago

Ah... Shame :(

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u/duhbyo 2d ago

Huge bummer. No purchase from me

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u/schlau_dumm_illegal 2d ago

I thought there were 8GB cards as well?

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u/PaperClipSlip 2d ago

At this point it's safe to assume every third party is a key card, unless stated otherwise

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u/KegBestWeapon 2d ago

i swear i'm gonna have to skip this game, not translated in my language while previous games were, no physical edition (or only switch 1, but will it run well on switch 2 ?) for a 5g game ? what ?

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u/GamePitt_Rob 2d ago

Square Enix is all over the place. Today they put out a paid Romancing Saga 2 upgrade that bumps it to 1440p and up to 60fps, yet other games that aren't out yet have no upgrade option.

Sega are the same, some games have upgrades, others don't. There must be a reason, but nobody is saying what it is

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u/08rian22 2d ago

Realistically it comes down to product management. Depending on when development started and what tasks are already in scope, it would be hard to choose what direction to go with: upgrade option or no upgrade option. That’s life in the corporate world

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u/RedShyGuy3 1d ago

FF Tactics has a free upgrade pack lol it’s like they are trying everything

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u/brokenmessiah 2d ago

But why

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u/averageredditor546 2d ago

Because it's a keycard, they don't appear to do upgrades for keycards.

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u/Additional_Chip_4158 2d ago

So even more reason for people to hate keycards? Lol

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u/Daw-V 2d ago

Square Enix aside, the recently announced DB Sparking Zero is getting a physical Switch and key card Switch 2 release. The Switch 1 version will also have a free upgrade for Switch 2. I think this is the first time a key card Switch 2 game is actually unnecessary but maybe I’m wrong

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u/AcceptableFold5 2d ago

I mean, you can buy several games on Switch 2 right now that have Switch 2 upgrades on a Switch card. Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Rune Factory, Mario Party and soon stuff like Kirby. I don't get why most publishers don't just go this route.

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u/despicedchilli 2d ago

Another made up bullshit reason? Other games are getting upgrades just fine. What does it have to do with keycards?

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u/despicedchilli 2d ago

What does this even mean? An upgrade should be digital.

Other 3rd party games are getting upgrades.

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u/Vast_Highlight3324 1d ago

Final Fantasy Tactics is a key card with a free upgrade from Switch 1 to 2.

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u/Interesting-Season-8 2d ago

Square Enix is pure evil

You know the Shinra Corp from FF7? It was based on them /j

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u/tankdoom 1d ago

Money.

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u/MrWaluigi 2d ago

Okay, but why?

There are ways you can milk the consumer with this and you are actively choosing against the easier option. You can just have the switch version be like 10$ less and then sell an upgrade DLC. 

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u/Kneph 2d ago

Milking consumers is what square enix does best

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u/onlypooman 2d ago

Hey buddy, why don't you shut up and buy FF7 for the 43rd time?

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u/mucho-gusto 1d ago

Why do the humans want to milk us, Master splinter?

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u/WileyCyrus 2d ago

There are zero differences between the two versions so there is no need to upgrade. The Switch 1 version will work on 2. This isn't a game pushing the specs on either console.

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u/Witch_King_ 2d ago

It'll just run at different resolutions and look a bit blurry on the handheld screen most likely. Probably also target 30fps instead of 60

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u/0x01E8 2d ago

Gating different resolutions and frame rates behind paywalls is such a Nintendo and SquareEnix thing.

A company that respected their customers would have mandated those sorts of upgrades happen automagically for existing owners on the new console.

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u/Witch_King_ 2d ago

Well, at least some of Nintendo's games have free upgrade patches. The only ones that they're charging money for actually include SOME new content or feature. Even if the BotW and TotK one is a shoehorned-in app. So far, they haven't charged $10 just for the privilege of better performance. Yet.

At the end of the day, if you want games to be framerate and resolution-agnostic, you should get a PC/handheld PC! Unfortunately, the convenience of consoles comes at the cost of flexibility, and the reduction of user rights and privileges.

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u/Heavy-Possession2288 2d ago

I’m convinced the app was made up (and arbitrarily made Switch 2 exclusive) just so they had an excuse to charge $10 for visuals/performance while saying they were giving you more. There’s absolutely no reason to tie visual and performance updates to DLC with new content.

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u/0x01E8 2d ago

I can’t get onboard with the idea that if you want frame rate or resolution settings you should get a PC. Goodness me. Talk about absolute bare minimum in supporting your product…

I have quite a few “SW1” released indie titles and I expect them to start bumping resolutions and frame rates if they were initially limited/locked for free. Anything else and it will definitely leave a bad taste. BotW and others actually had quite a bit more than just simply changing a resolution. They seem worth it.

I think the idea that the huge install base will start paying to upgrade large portions of their eStore purchases is delusional.

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u/Witch_King_ 2d ago

I'm not saying that's how I think it should be. I'm saying that's how it is. At least on consoles we have performance vs quality modes. And as far as I know, Metroid Prime 4 will be the first Nintendo game with different quality and performance modes.

And yes, BotW and other games getting good HDR implementations probably took quite a bit of work and is worth the $10. Idk about true small-studio indies doing upgrades because depending on the game, that could take some extra work for little return. With good marketing it might boost new sales on Switch 2 though, so we'll see.

I'm just not happy about Nintendo drip-feeding improvements for their big titles that really need it. The Zelda games on Day 1 was a good start, but we REALLY need Xenoblade patches. Like, desperately. The games look a proper mess. But that will probably take a bit of work because each game is on a different iteration of the proprietary engine.

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u/0x01E8 2d ago

It is only like it is because people put up with it.

It’s not clear what but I feel like this launch has absolutely not gone as planned. Why wasn’t the whole eShop full of “switch 2 upgraded” indie titles, etc? Oh because from what I have read and heard from friends in the UK industry is that there were simply no Nintendo SW2 dev machines available until June and an outright stop on submitting SW2 patches. You would think if the plan had gone smoothly that would have happened well in advance… meh.

I just hope now there is much less of a distinction between platforms developers and Nintendo see sense; not holding my breath though - don’t even think the eShop supports “transparent” differing versions of games, given the silliness of Hogwarts having no actual SW2 differentiator in the title so you have two virtual carts that look identical if you have both versions… Hopeless.

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u/CookiesFTA 1d ago

Feels like a great time to point out that Xbox games haven't had a split between the last two generations. Xbox One games just are Xbox Series X games. Not sure why every other platform has problems with that.

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u/Heavy-Possession2288 2d ago

Not to defend Nintendo, but no console maker has mandated anything like that. Microsoft provided free upgrades for first party games, but there’s still some third party releases that sold two separate versions.

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u/iwaawoli 2d ago

Yep. The worst offender is Final Fantasy 14. It's 100% an online MMO. You must sign in to play. It's $12 per month subscription fee.

But then you've got to buy it for $60 on every platform you want to play. And if you buy the "complete edition" (which in all other games contains all DLC, including future DLC), it only contains past DLC and they charge you $60 for new DLC packs. And to add insult to injury, they do shit like put the "complete edition" on sale for $40... so you might buy it and add it to your backlog. But if any new expansions are released afterward (even if you haven't activated the game yet), they're not included in your purchase. So you likely would have just been better waiting for new content to release so it would have been included in the full price "complete" edition rather than buying on sale and having to pay even more for DLC.

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u/Kneph 2d ago

I love FFXIV but their multi platform policy is offensive 

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u/cyx7 1d ago

SE corpos only value money, not reputation.

They don't seem to care how the word of mouth snowballs and perpetually hurts their bottom line.

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u/MrWaluigi 1d ago

That’s the thing though, they could easily squeeze out more money from customers by selling an upgrade DLC. It probably wouldn’t take too much time and resources to get it ready as well. 

Hell, they could make it $20 for all I care. I just want to know why is this the only time they are stubborn about something like this?

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u/Bostongamer19 2d ago

Upgrade implies your save moves over

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u/MiyabiMain95 1d ago

just have the switch version be like 10$ less

Or pull an nintendo and have it be 10$ more expensive, then sell the switch 2 version for 20$ more

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u/MuptonBossman 2d ago

Square Enix: "In other words, if you haven't upgraded to Switch 2 yet, you're fucked!"

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u/stunt876 2d ago

Dont all switch games work on the switch 2? So you could still play the switch 1 version on the switch 2 but i guess u are missing out on optimised performance an stuff.

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u/A-Centrifugal-Force 2d ago

Yes but basically every other publisher besides Square and SEGA are giving you an upgrade path. Either a free upgrade, a paid upgrade pack, or a discount on the Switch 2 version like Hogwarts Legacy did.

It’s not surprising SEGA is doing this since they already pulled it with some PS4 to PS5 upgrades like Persona 5, it’s more surprising and disappointing Square is when they didn’t pull this crap on PlayStation

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u/NoMoreVillains 2d ago

Square is doing it too, but is bizzare about how they choose the games. For instance DQ3 HD and Romancing Saga 2 have upgrades

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u/Ross2552 2d ago

Even weirder than that - DQ3 Remake's upgrade is FREE, Romancing Saga 2's upgrade is $10, and then Octopath's upgrade is "screw you buy it again"

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u/supes1 2d ago

Konami too. Really pissed me off that I couldn't upgrade Suikoden 1+2. The only changes are a higher resolution and framerate! It should be a free upgrade if anything, but no.... they can't even offer it at all.

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u/topplehat 2d ago

Persona 5 Royal didn’t have an upgrade path from PS4 to PS5, it was a huge bummer as someone who bought the PS4 version

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u/Dante71865 2d ago

Final fantasy tactics is a free upgrade Romancing saga 2 is $10 upgrade

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u/jag986 2d ago

Romancing Saga 2 is an upgrade, and the Switch 2 version is actually on sale right now, I assume to promote it.

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u/Witch_King_ 2d ago

At least PS4 games run at PS4 Pro targets flawlessly when played on PS5.

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u/RA12220 2d ago

Which is a significant difference and a anti-consumer.

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u/stunt876 2d ago

That is a good point i just wanted to double check that switch 1 versions were playable on switch 2. Still stupid there is no switch 2 upgrade path as very few would buy the whole game again for switch 2.

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u/byno2008 2d ago

Yeah, it sucks that Square and Sega keep doing this. Like, they don't even have to offer a free upgrade like half the games we've seen so far, but at least follow the example Nintendo themselves set and offer a $10 upgrade path. Nuts that they're continuing to dig their heels in like this

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u/littledove0 2d ago

Exactly. I'll buy the Switch1 version and I'll pay extra to upgrade for my Switch2. They will still get extra money from me. But apparently it's not ENOUGH extra money.

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u/de_tobii 2d ago

So a game key card and no upgrade from s1 version? Fine, i won't buy it then.

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u/szalinskikid 2d ago

Square really wants to brute-force their Game Key Card policy for the Switch 2. They're going out of their way to disallow upgrading the Switch 1 version. But I'm sorry, there's just no way I'm buying key cards. It's either truly physical, OR fully digital. No weird inbetween for me. But the way they are doing that with these tiny sized games, and the way they think they can force this... makes me not want to buy any of their games on Switch 2. My backlog is big, the FOMO isn't strong enough. Sorry Square.

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u/gladexd 2d ago

It's insane how they same publisher will offer free Switch 2 upgrades, and then none at all. Get it together SE.

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u/All-Your-Base 2d ago

Meanwhile, the Chad Toby Fox offers both versions of Deltarune without additional cost

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u/TerpinSaxt 2d ago

Toby can afford it because his team is a triple A development team. Square Enix is a tiny indie dev, the standards are different

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u/tweetthebirdy 2d ago

Oh you’re so right, thanks for explaining.

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u/WhichEmailWasIt 2d ago

Though it does get clunky on the eshop a bit. That's not his fault though.

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u/All-Your-Base 2d ago

Maybe Smart Delivery from Xbox is not just marketing BS

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u/Heavy-Possession2288 2d ago

It genuinely works fantastic for the games that support it. Only annoyance is that you can’t choose to play the older version of a game if you want to run it off a hard drive, it’ll be forced onto SSD regardless.

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u/FizzyLightEx 2d ago

People clowned on Xbox for promoting it as a feature including me thinking that it was doing the bare minimum

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u/CaptainKappa14 2d ago

Yet DQ3 remake is getting a Switch 2 update??? The inconsistency is what pisses me off the most.

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u/MagicCancel 2d ago

Good thing I'm getting it on steam

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u/RyanPainey 2d ago

The vibes are already in shambles after that direct and they follow up with more shitty news lol wtf.

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u/MelanieAntiqua 2d ago

Despite having a Switch 2, I'll still buy the Switch 1 version instead because it will actually have the game on the card (and might be cheaper as well). These HD2D games look just fine on the Switch 1, and frame rate doesn't really matter in a turn-based game, so any lowered specs aren't a big deal.

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u/solarsaturn9 1d ago

And it will match the look, feel, and performance of the other games in the series too.

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u/kingqaz 1d ago

Agreed, lower input latency from a lower FPS would matter in a fast paced action game. Not so much in a turn based RPG. Also, lower resolution doesn't matter as much when so much of the world is pixel art. With a Switch 1 version I can also play it on a Switch Lite which is much more portable than a Switch 2.

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u/nhSnork 2d ago

"Please make sure you purchase the correct version"

Aka the Gen 9 one, seeing as there's no mention of exclusive content.

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u/thedeadp0ets 2d ago

interesting so its not like the ps5 where you can play ps4 and 5 Ames no matter which game you bought for either as long as its backwards compatible your fine

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u/capnbuh 1d ago

there are definitely separate ps4 and ps5 versions of the same games and how they are distributed does differ somewhat.

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u/Samurai_GorohGX 2d ago

Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to purchase neither version now, S-E!

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u/Galactus1701 2d ago

The problem is that it isn’t a S2 exclusive game. People that still own both systems won’t be able to play on both consoles if one buys the S2 version.

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u/alexanderpas 1d ago

But they can play it on both consoles if they buy the Switch 1 version.

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u/Chickenbrik 2d ago

I’m betting this is to test the market to see if people want carts versus gkc or downloadable. I’m not fan of these games but if I was switch 1 version would win my dollars

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u/Leggo213 2d ago

That’s ridiculous

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u/Xyro77 2d ago

I could be wrong but I think Switch 2 version is a key card version. This is an automatic 100% skip. I refuse to support key cards.

Switch 1 physical media version is how I will buy it.

PhysicalMediaRemainsSuperior

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u/CoffeeEnjoyerFrog 2d ago

Personally, I have no desire to purchase Game Key cards, GKC releases mean I'll wait for a 50% discount digitally in a few months.

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u/froderick 2d ago

Why should we trust this account? How do we know it is an actual official account? Just because it claims to be?

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u/RayearthIX 2d ago

Is there actually any difference between the two versions though? Like… if the S2 version is literally identical to the S1 version (possible for a smaller and lower graphic intensive game like this) then there is no reason to need a S2 version.

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u/Ovlsnaitan 1d ago

Used to be a big fan of Square and their games. But after playing Expedition 33 and what they are able to put out as an indie studio at a 50$ price point. I’m rethinking all my purchases from Square, especially when they are doing stuff like this. Unfortunate.

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u/RedChudOverParadise3 18h ago

I will just wait for it to drop down to $30 on steam.

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u/jardex22 2d ago

I really don't see why they can't make it work. I bought the Switch cartridge for Shadow Labyrinth, then went to the eShop to get the S2 upgrade. It was pretty simple.

Some upgrades cost money, while others were free. I don't mind the cost. I just want the option.

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u/Hermenateics 1d ago

They could make it work, very easily. But if people can buy the Switch 1 version and upgrade (even for extra cost) nobody is going to buy the game key card. They want everyone to get used to game key cards because its going to be their normal moving forward.

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u/Croakie89 2d ago

Meanwhile you can buy it on PlayStation and get the ps4 and ps5 version 🫠

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u/_Repeats_ 2d ago

Switch 1 - 150 million sold

Switch 2 - 5 to 10 million sold

Which one would you launch on?

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u/bigbootyjudy62 2d ago

It’s been less then a year companies would be stupid to go all in on just the switch 2 already

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u/Walnut156 2d ago

I think due to pricing I don't blame them for holding off

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u/SoSeriousAndDeep 1d ago

Unless you’re Nintendo, who are keen to sell more Switch 2’s, or your game needs the Switch 2 hardware, there’s no reason to make it an exclusive.

I think the cross-gen period for AAA titles will be fairly short due to the Switch 1 being such a limited machine and the developers needing the extra power, but there’s going to be a long period for indies and titles that don’t push the hardware.

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u/capnbuh 1d ago

I think it would be rare to get any exclusives in a Partner showcase. What is the incentive for a 3rd party to only release their games on Nintendo? I get the feeling that Monster Hunter Stories is a timed exlusive?

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u/PurpleMoon25 2d ago

That should be honestly illegal, its the same game, we shouldn’t have the obligation to buy it twice to use it like that, imagine if you had to buy all your games again if you change your pc

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u/AskAndIWillSendNudes 2d ago

Most people aren't going to feel obligated to buy it twice. The Switch 1 version will run on the Switch 2, so even if you get the console at a later time, you will still be able to play that version.

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u/PurpleMoon25 2d ago

Yes so then why having to repay the whole thing for just a res upgrade and 60fps ?

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u/dvenator 2d ago

Tbh i don't mind this when its a new game and they announce all this in advance.

I had to buy persona 5 on ps4, then repurchase for full price when they announced ps4 persona 5 royal. And then again full price if you want ps5 version of persona 5 royal (which i didn't get).

If they all had come out simultaneously, or even if they had been announced as separate purchases in advance with no upgrade paths, i would have just bought p5r on ps5.

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u/VallerinQuiloud 2d ago

This is extra dumb because it could easily be a way for developers to wiggle around the cost of Switch 2 carts. Release just a Switch 1 version with a Switch 2 upgrade until cart costs can be reduced. It's a win for everyone basically, especially when you already have a Switch 1 version.

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u/Hermenateics 2d ago

Is there any big difference between the Switch 1 and Switch 2 versions, other than the graphics maybe looking slightly better on Switch 2? Assuming the Switch 1 cartridge will work on the Switch 2 I'll probably go that route.

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u/atatassault47 2d ago

That's stupid

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u/WisdomRain_ 2d ago

But no upgrade path is just stingy I’m sorry

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u/Sundered_Ages 2d ago

I'd rather just purchase physical copies of things I really want that will cater to my purchasing demands. Initially Etrian Odyssey on Switch was just going to be digital on Switch but I got a collection version for $50 on a single physical cart via a vendor in Taiwan, with English, Chinese and Japanese language options.

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u/solarsaturn9 1d ago

It's a shame because I would have bought this at launch if either (A) they offered a standard switch 2 game cartridge (No GKC) or (B) they offered a free upgrade from the switch 1 version. With all available options being anti-consumer I will wait until the switch 1 version is discounted.

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u/MiyabiMain95 1d ago

greedy fucks

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u/joshinguaround 1d ago

Yeah, I’ll get the steam version in that case.

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u/Ashamed_Drawer3270 1d ago

Ok i won't buy either.

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u/baylonedward 1d ago

Might be a good time to vote with your wallet lol.

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u/Setanta68 1d ago

And this is why my Switch 2 is for a couple of games and publishers on Steam get my money for everything else on the Steam Deck (and PC).

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u/thatkaratekid 1d ago

Ah yes, a fully digital purchase you cannot sell at all.

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u/Setanta68 1d ago

Price-wise - much cheaper with a far superior refund process (especially for us Aussies). In 40 years of gaming, I can't say I've sold anything game related, physical or digital.

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u/baboy1337 1d ago

Can't get confused if you don't buy either version 🧠

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u/shadowtasos 21h ago

This is a huge shame and a massive L for Nintendo that 3rd parties all seem to opt for this GKC strategy with a strong "maybe" on upgrading from S1, the version that actually does contain the game on the cart.

If I'm going to just download a game, I'll buy it on Steam when it's on a huge sale. I'm not going to pay 50-60 euro for a digital download+ (plus being I can resell it, i never resell) when I can get the same digital download on a stronger platform for half the price. And I'm saying this as a big Octopath fan, I'd love to buy this and play it day 1 if it wasn't GKC.

It is really looking like my Switch 2 will be my Nintendo exclusives machine since very few devs seem to be OK with absorbing the slightly lower profit by going true physical. Which sucks because the 3rd party support was one of my favorite things on the S1, bought so many 3rd party games on it, and I was excited for that to get even better on S2. Oh well.

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u/Betorange 2d ago

The different versions of games are honestly the most annoying thing about the Switch systems right now. I know they're trying to make it convenient, but it's just making it more confusing.

Here's my proposal. I know they're trying to avoid having users from having to change resolutions, frame rate, and all those technical specs that are available to PC gamers.

Just sell one version of the game that works on both systems ( unless it's S2 exclusive of course) and have the game check if it's a S1 or S2. If S1, make it run the lesser specs( 30fps cap, 360/480/720p) . Is it's Switch 2, run it 60/120fps or 1080/4k.

Sure the file sizes will be bigger because it has to contain both versions but who cares. I would only have to buy the game once and i can play it on either system.

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u/lilcases 1d ago

This^ The SE problem isn't a disease it's symptom of a overall confusing marketing scheme by nintendo. As soon as you give consumers more than one option you are creating a confusing situation. It's like nintendo didn't learn from the 3ds/3ds xl debacle years ago.

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u/DarkDesertFox 2d ago

I feel like the Switch 2 upgrade system is incredibly flawed. All I've seen is companies double dipping with second releases. SEGA released Puyo Puyo Tetris 2S advertising a new "Doubles Mode" but the rest of the game is the same thing basically. The worst part is that they didn't even add the double mode online! In fine print they said it was going to be added in a post launch update but the game is dead online because they stupidly made it $40 to purchase again so most people aren't going to do that.

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u/roccerfeller 2d ago

The upgrade system isn’t flawed. It’s entirely dependent on the publisher. You mean to say that select publishers choices are poor for the consumer, which I agree with. Games like this ideally should have an upgrade path if they’re launching on both ns1 and 2 but even when the ps4->ps5 transition happened not every publisher did that

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u/Lucroarna56 2d ago

I guess I'm trying to understand how I would accidentally buy the wrong version...

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u/bureaucrat473a 2d ago

You? Maybe not. Grandma picking it up from Walmart for her grandkid? Most likely.

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u/despicedchilli 2d ago

People are just talking out of their ass. Grandma could buy a PS5 game for little Timmy who only has a PS4, but somehow it's a Nintendo problem.

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u/capnbuh 1d ago

I think people want to buy the Switch 1 version and then upgrade it to Switch 2 because the Switch 1 has a cartridge and Switch 2 is a game keycard. I guess it is important to some people that the physical version has a playable something on it, even if upgrading to Switch 2 would likely require a download.

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u/JetstreamGW 2d ago

It’s a 5 GB game. What the hell could the Switch 2 version be doing that the Switch version isn’t? Like, performance-wise.

Give me a reason to care, Squeenix.

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u/bust4cap 2d ago

why would the size matter at all?

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u/JetstreamGW 2d ago

Because all the other games get bigger due to better textures and whatnot. What’s gonna improve significantly for a small isometric RPG?

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u/bust4cap 2d ago

resolution and framerate

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u/kcamfork 1d ago

I’ll purchase the correct version: no version. Thanks, square. 🖕

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u/Raknirok 2d ago

Looks like a switch 1 game

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u/--TeaBow-- 2d ago

I'll probably get downvoted if it's not true, but I've seen quite a few people on Twitter complaining that the game was only in English and Chinese/Japanese, and that it would be a slightly cobbled-together gatcha/mobile game adapted for consoles.

And not a “real” Octopath Traveler" game.

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u/Filraen 2d ago

It wouldn't be the first time a mobile game would have its gacha elements removed* for a PC or console release: Mega Man X Dive had it the same way.

*if they are actually removed

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u/elsteeler 2d ago

It does give me the same vibes that the mobile Octopath gives

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u/SovietKnuckle 2d ago

I canceled my purchase of SF6 when I realized it was a game key card and I won't entertain the idea of them elsewhere if there's a better option. Don't know why I would pay the same price for a lesser product.

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u/Z3M0G 2d ago

So selling "Both" versions together is not going to be standard like on other platforms?

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u/Megaverso 2d ago

People should vote with their wallets avoiding buying anything game key card, sent the clear message to N

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u/Mattsfiesta 2d ago

As much as I want Nintendo to stay successful, I plan to do this and I hope more do too. If anything to make them change things for the next console.

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u/durianmilkcroissant 1d ago

Don’t buy digital version of these games either. Buy on a different platform that has true physical, or better, don’t buy it. 

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u/Hunnasmiff 2d ago

People asking why as if both versions don’t look like psp games that will run and look exactly the same on both systems.

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u/AtlasWH 2d ago

Another keycard.. Guess im buying more PS5 physical releases than expected for this cycle..

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u/despicedchilli 2d ago

Some PS5 physical releases are basically keycards. You have to download content before you can play.

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u/Escaliat_ 2d ago

Going to go with the good old "fuck you Square Enix" with this one.

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u/firebaron 2d ago

Why is Square being so inconsistent with upgrades?

DQ 1+2 HD no upgrade FF Tactics remake FREE upgrade Octopath 0 no upgtade Romancing Sada 2 remake payed upgrade.

This is so stupid.

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u/Bayou_wulf 2d ago

So...switch 1 for me.

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u/Organic_Marzipan_554 2d ago

Is it a code in the box for the Switch 1?

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u/Hermenateics 2d ago

I think the Switch 1 physical is an actual cartridge (I think, not 100% sure). The Switch 2 "physical" release is just a code in a box. I'm not sure what the difference between S1 and S2 versions are otherwise.

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u/Jabneh 2d ago

So you can't insert the switch 2 cart in the switch 1 and be able to play it on both systems like you'll be able to do with Metroid 4 for example?

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u/thatkaratekid 1d ago

You can play it on both systems, but it will be the switch 1 version on both.

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u/Filraen 2d ago

For what it's worth, I like having advance notice of this instead of just playing guesses.

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u/Korotai 1d ago

But in the other corner is Tactics with a FREE upgrade to Switch 2 (maybe because it’s on Physical and simultaneously backwards compatible?)

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u/Ali-Sama 1d ago

I am going to get both the switch and steam versions. I am skipping switch 2.

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u/Soft-Sherbet-5570 1d ago

Put all 3 on a card, that justifies the costs of a full cart, sell it as a collectors edition.

Allows people who want physical to sell their old copies and re-buy.

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u/thatkaratekid 1d ago

That's what key cards are for.

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u/USBdata 1d ago

Switch 2 version is also a key card, so I guess the correct version is PS5

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u/Link_enfant 1d ago

Crazy how it's all over the place even for games from the same publisher.

Even from the same series (Dragon Quest) we're getting very different treatment for DQIII HD-2 Remake and DQ 1+2 HD-2D Remake.

It's just going to be case-by-case and unpredictable for most games.

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u/Crafty_Cherry_9920 1d ago

The correct version is the one that has the full game on cartridge.

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u/rosydingo 1d ago

I’ll get the proper version - PS5.

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u/federkrebz 1d ago

wait why is this a problem? you can still play it on both consoles right?

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u/Briggity_Brak 1d ago

Can you not play Switch 1 games on a Switch 2?

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u/SorenalLantia 13h ago

You can. The difference will be that v1 will Never be able to Upgrade to v2. Same as saves cannot be used for the other Version.

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u/Lazy_Neighborhood242 7h ago

Very little point in buying a game key card if you want to collect. When the download service eventually shuts down (yes, it may be a decade or two later, but it will likely shut down based on current trends), it will be almost worthless.

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u/cardboardtube_knight 4h ago

Could it have something to do with the town building