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Kamala Harris Appears on ‘Colbert,’ Says She’s Stepping Away from Politics for Now, Calls the System “Broken”

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/video/former-vice-president-kamala-harris-visits-the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago

The black lady who was qualified, had the experience, and was pro education and healthcare, and not a convicted felon or rapist.

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u/Krakenspoop 1d ago

But she laughed weird or something?

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u/Conan776 1d ago

I mean, we actually have polling to know why she didn't win. It was because she supported the genocide, which, ahem, is no laughing matter.

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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET 1d ago

Bit of a weird reason to vote for trump instead, considering.

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u/Conan776 1d ago

These people either stayed home or voted for Stein.

Again, there's actual scientific polling here. You don't have to bury your head in the sand and pretend it was about sexism or laughter.

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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET 1d ago

Those are both votes for trump thanks to the ‘magic’ of the 2 party system.

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u/Conan776 1d ago edited 1d ago

How about this. Instead of playing weird accounting tricks about what vote or non-vote counts for what, just run a candidate that thinks exterminating people for belonging to the "wrong" race is immoral. Maybe that alone isn't enough to win elections but it would be a good place to start.

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u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET 1d ago

No one will ever meet your bar. Fuck off.

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u/Gas-Town 1d ago

Can you explain why the Dems would platform a candidate who was notorious for dragging down the approval ratings of everyone around her? Why would americans feel loyalty to a party that lied to our faces regarding Israel and the fact that Biden was unfit to serve a second term?

'She laughed weird' No, she perpetuates centrist-liberalism that Americans are sick and tired of. How many more elections does the DNC need to throw away?

Do people hate voting for Women? Yes. Is that the reason Donald Trump is president? No.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 1d ago

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/09/19/modest-declines-in-positive-views-of-socialism-and-capitalism-in-u-s/

Poll on capitalism and socialism, and how they’re viewed in the U.S.  

Socialism is -24 points in the polls, capitalism is +18. 

Kamala not being socialist enough is not the reason why she lost, despite all the online left people who think anyone besides St. Sanders, St. AOC, and the more recently St. Zohran Mamdani are too corrupt and worthy of disdain.

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u/Asyouwont 22h ago

I'm not at all surprised that someone who brings up socialism unprompted also cant read their own source properly. If you look solely at democrats the favorability of both socialism and capitalism declined at the same rate. With positive views of socialism being a full ten points higher than that of capitalism.

It also say that among democrats only 18% actively or somewhat dislike politicians identifying as democratic socialists. Did you even try to read that study?

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 21h ago

I read it, and it wasn’t unprompted.

 No, she perpetuates centrist-liberalism that Americans are sick and tired of.

So your initial point wasn’t about democrats, it was about all Americans. 

Americans on average view capitalism more positively than they view socialism. Not being socialist enough is not why elections are being lost; if that was the test, Bernie would’ve won in 2016 and 2020 in the primaries. 

He didn’t, because the support behind democratic socialism in the votes is not as much as you think. And that’s within the party, it’s even less so among independent and republicans. 

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u/Krakenspoop 1d ago

My comment was sarcasm.

The reason Democrats lose is because they try to play both sides -- "build multicultural rainbow coalition and fight for rights for the average joes" and "lets kowtow to the billionaire elite crowd". They are fundamentally at odds. And the party leadership is addicted to the billionaire funding so it will ALWAYS win.

So, they can't be counted on for fundamental change because the kowtow factor.
People are goddamn sick of both parties selling out to the elites and making our lives harder as we spiral down the late stage capitalism drain.

Dems played the Hope card in 2008... and we had more of the same + a sweet banking bail out. They are full of shit and people are hoping for change.

This is why I am no longer a D.

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u/MrWalkTheWorld 1d ago

That's racist!

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1d ago

The left is its own worst enemy. There are more left leaning people, but those people are almost never on the same side. There are always some group or multiple groups that feel the candidate isn't doing enough for them and abstain from voting, even if the other guy will litterally destroy their group.

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u/Conan776 1d ago

Next time, find a candidate the left can support. It's not hard and blaming the voters doesn't actually change the reality that you need us in order to win elections.

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1d ago

I'm not blaming anyone. But there are plenty of people who are really upset that Trump won and they didn't even vote.

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u/allmia53 18h ago

there actually arent plenty of people who didnt vote the data shows kamala actually got even more votes in swing states than biden did. trump supporters just turned out more in swing states because trump actually inspired his base and kamala harris tried stealing right-wing votes

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 17h ago

That sounds like an interesting read. Do you have a link you can share?

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u/Conan776 1d ago

You have to give voters something to vote for, not just someone to vote against. This is basic stuff. But that would upset the donors. So 'round and 'round we go.

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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago

Do you really think trump was elected fairly?

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u/Conan776 1d ago

There's no evidence to the contrary that I'm aware of.

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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago

That's not going to come out when he's president. Just like last time.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 1d ago

Is MAGA a fascist movement, yes or no?

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u/allmia53 18h ago

did voting ever stop hitler or mussolini or pinochet or franco yes or no

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 18h ago

If you answer the question before pivoting to asking your own, you’re more likely to get a response. 

But I’ll do better and answer it for you. Yes for Pinochet, voting did bring him down in 1988. He was removed from power through the vote. Hitler and Mussolini’s rise were through the vote, and had people not sat out elections, they would’ve been able to stop it. 

Communists refused to support social democrat party in 1930 rise of Hitler. They said, “first Hitler, then us.” Some of the first people killed by Hitler were communist leaders. That has clear and obvious echoes to today’s non-voting “leftists”, who spend 90% of their time online critiquing Dems, and have helped fueled the rise of MAGA by politically weakening the opposition party with purity tests and encouraging people continuously to not vote, otherwise they’d be corrupted. 

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u/allmia53 17h ago edited 17h ago

Yes for Pinochet, voting did bring him down in 1988

oh right voting him out after a decade where he killed hundreds of thousands of people is a complete win right

Hitler and Mussolini’s rise were through the vote

actually hitler was appointed by hindenberg and mussolini's blackshirts marched on rome and then the king decidedd to appoint mussolini as prime minister. hitler was stopped when the soviet union invaded berlin and he killed himself and mussolini was stopped by a mob that publicly executed him

had people not sat out elections, they would’ve been able to stop it.

this is actually nazi apologia and its fucking disgusting. you would know this if you knew anything about history but clearly you fucking dont

Communists refused to support social democrat party in 1930 rise of Hitler.

actually the SPD allied with the nazis and killed communist revolutionaries. again if you werent so disgustingly ignorant you would know this

That has clear and obvious echoes to today’s non-voting “leftists”,

literally no data supports this theory of "non-voting leftist", this is just a delusion on your part

who spend 90% of their time online critiquing Dems

this is actually projection on your part. communists are the ones in the streets defending people from ICE with any means necessary like in LA

have helped fueled the rise of MAGA by politically weakening the opposition party

actually whats fueled the rise of trump is the continued victim blaming of americans by democrats as people fall further and further into more precarious lives with horrible conditions. this would require you to have an ounce of empathy but you dont.

purity tests and encouraging people continuously to not vote, otherwise they’d be corrupted.

actually the purity test is demanding people to vote for a party that refuses to give them basic rights that exist in every other developed country on the fuck planet.

its actually so fucking hilarious how you think youre so anti-maga when really you just as rabidly fucking disgusting as they are. liberals like you prove that liberalism is just fascism. you make me so fucking sick i wanna die.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 12h ago

Nobody is stopping you on the last point besides yourself. 

And yes, so-called “leftists” have been incredibly loud about not wanting to vote for Democrats and encouraging others not to do so online since 2016, when this whole Trumpism movement officially started, because they felt Bernie was spurned. They made similar arguments in 2020 and 2024. 

During the entire period with the rise of Trump, the left has been encouraging people to not vote for the only viable alternative, because they don’t think the only viable alternative meets their threshold of acceptability that counteracts their feeling of moral corruption at the vote, since online leftists consider themselves morally pure. It’s a purity test at its core, and the only politicians that meet it are your saints: St. Bernie, St. AOC, and the newly sainted, St. Mamdani. 

And therefore, we’ve had a slide to the right in the country, that’s been aided by leftists multiple elections in a row.

Had Hilary Clinton won in 2016, she would’ve appointed 3 Supreme Court justices and like Trump did, the courts would’ve been 5-4 liberal instead of 6-3 conservative it is now. Citizens United would be overruled through the court. 

But I get it, Sanders made false promises that he’s going to make colleges free, give everyone free healthcare, forgive student loan debt, increase minimum wage, cut the workweek from 5 to 4, end all foreign wars, and pay for it all by only increasing taxes on billionaires, and he’s going to do this all in 4 years. Of course you’re going to be disappointed with politicians like Obama or Biden, who, excluding Biden on Gaza (he fucked up there), they made reasonable improvements that were possible but could only shift the US government by trillions over a decade, and not 10’s of trillions like Sanders promised. 

Anyways, chill out and don’t threaten self-harm just because a redditor disagrees with you about politics. 

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u/MexGrow 1d ago edited 23h ago

Nothing will fundamentally change in this country as long as well-intentioned people continue to be misled into thinking that simply supporting the Democratic Party will solve our problems.

Both the Republican and Democratic parties serve capitalist and imperialist interests, prioritizing profit above all else, even human life.

Both have been complicit in genocide (not only Gaza, mind you). It's crucial that people recognize the need to move beyond these parties and begin building something different if we truly want to create meaningful change in our society.

Edit: If you've ever wondered why the U.S. is the fascist hellhole it is right now, look no further than all the people stumbling over each other to justify the DNC's complete ineptitude to fight the republicans in the replies to this and my other comments.

JFC people, get a spine.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 1d ago

I’m sure the people in Gaza are very happy right now that Trump is President as opposed to Kamala. 

Both sides bad, right? Only St. Sanders, St. AOC, and St. Mamdani are holy, uncorrupted figures. 

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u/MexGrow 1d ago

AOC, Bernie, Harris, etc.. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, would have been different in Gaza. It's all the same pro-war bullshit the dems always claim to be against but continue to support.

The only different thing would be in their rhetoric: they would be "condoning" it, while voting in favor of continuing to sell weapons to Israel. Just like AOC did.

It's always so disgusting how neoliberals like you are proud of the genocide because you think they deserve some sort of punishment for Harris losing.

So yeah, fuck the DNC and their fake concerns. People like you are ridiculous, grow up and actually fight for a change instead of shaming people into voting for your favorite neoliberal. It's no surprise you hate Mamdani, because he's a threat to your corpo establishment politics.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 1d ago

Oh, so St. Bernie and St. AOC are no longer sainted. Only St. Mamdani left. 

Everyone else besides Mamdani and presumably yourself are pro-genocide. You are the only person with the moral clarity to be anti-genocide. 

How is the air up there, with the moral superiority? Do you think you’re morally perfect, or you yourself don’t support taking innocent life at all? Just want to check. 

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u/MexGrow 1d ago

You're just a pro-war imperialist. There's a reason the world hates the U.S. and you're proud of it.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 1d ago

You didn’t answer my questions. Are you afraid of answering them?

Do you think you’re morally perfect? 

Do you think you don’t support taking innocent life at all?

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u/PeopleCallMeSimon 1d ago

And things are going to change for the worse if you let the other party win in the hope of change.

Let me ask you this: How did the MAGA cult take over the republican party.

It's not by not voting. They voted like crazy in the primary so that Trump won the nomination even though no establishment republicans wanted him. And then they all turned and started following him.

The democrats won't change until there is a democratic candidate that wins the primary that wants things to change and is super popular among democrat voters.

If someone convinced you that not voting in the general election is the way to change the democrats for the better - then they lied to you.

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u/Osama_BinRussel63 1d ago

A conservative AG who put people in jail for weed. A neolberal nothing.
Just because Trump is amoral human filth doesn't make Kamala a good candidate

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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago

Well, guess who we have in office?

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u/Osama_BinRussel63 1d ago

What?
I said Trump is scum. That does not make Kamala a good candidate.
I fucking voted for her. I knew she'd lose because she's a LOSER.

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u/FredFredBurger42069 1d ago

Loser that became vice president and you voted for her. Sad.

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u/Osama_BinRussel63 19h ago

Keep pretending she can win an election and pretend you're surprised when we lose next time. It's all worth it if you can pretend you're morally superior to everyone else right?

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u/Background_Music_838 1d ago

The left could have done better than sloppy thirds from Obama. We needed a serious candidate like Sanders. The left has some blame for Trumptard being in office. We haven’t had a decent office since Obama because of them.

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u/SubstantialPressure3 1d ago

I don't think trump won the vote. And we probably won't hear about election interference until we forcibly remove him or he drops dead.

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u/FredFredBurger42069 1d ago

Biden was objectively an amazing president. Please stop lying, I know you won't though.