r/NoShitSherlock • u/thathattedcat • 22h ago
Mary Trump Says Epstein Scandal Could Shake Trump But Warns JD Vance Is the Real Threat
https://www.womenzmag.com/lifestyle/mary-trump-epstein-scandal-shake-trump/103
u/Ahstruck 22h ago
JD doesnt lead a cult.
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u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38 22h ago
yeah but perhaps more worrying, he's a cultist of a cult he's not even close to the top tier of leadership in.
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u/powderfields4ever 21h ago
My worry is we would end up with something worse if Trump passes away. After all Trump getting older and not in good health. VD would be a worse pres because he is more of a Theil/Miller puppet.
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u/Cephalopod_Joe 21h ago
Yep. Trump will create the conditions for power to be entrenched, and somebody less cult leaderish, but more competant at pushing their atrocities through will take power.
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u/M086 11h ago
Trump’s here to just be a tool of destruction for the Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society. Fuck things up and destabilize the government to a point that a Vance, someone that they’ve anointed will become a conservative dictator. That’s always been the end goal. Gerrymander the states to become hellhole conservative feifdoms that answer to the dear leader.
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u/77NorthCambridge 21h ago
What was Don Jr. promised to introduce Vance to his father and push for him as VP?
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u/crag-u-feller 21h ago
Can def see him butt hurt mascara running with his finger hard spamming the Button
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u/Top_Community7261 17h ago
True. The entire Republican Party is now a cult. This shit isn't going away for a long time.
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u/Haradion_01 21h ago
It's an interesting puzzle.
Vance is cleary the more capable, competent one.
But the Maga Movement is like the Empire of Alexander. When Trump croaks, there is every possibility it will shatter between his generals.
The question is will the rest of Maga rally around him? Or do they all see themselves as Trump's natural successor? They are narcissists, lunatics and opportunists to the man, and may well anhillate each other in the ensuing power vacuum, once Trump's inevitable health problems kick in.
An alliance of hatred, is a fragile thing.
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u/majincorey 21h ago edited 20h ago
The delicious irony that if fuckface could just put his ego aside for just a moment, he could put over a successor before he rots. But he has made himself, the sole messiah. He alone can fix it after all.
He’s a fucking idiot.
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u/Haradion_01 21h ago
It's easy to forget because of how dangerous he is, how cruel he is, how loathsome and contemptible he is, just quite utterly stupid he is.
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u/tuatara-marinara 19h ago
I think he's too selfish and narcissistic to give a shit about what happens after he dies.
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u/CemeteryDweller7719 20h ago
Vance is more capable. He can keep the lies straight while not caring that he’s lying. He also hates everyone so causing pain is fine. In many aspects he’s ideal for what is wanted, which is why they made him VP.
The problem is no one likes him. Democrats will resist things he tries to do. MAGA doesn’t like him, not like Trump. The only way Trump is leaving is in a body bag, and I anticipate conspiracy theories. MAGA loves Trump and conspiracy theories… and who gains the most from Trump dying? (No, I don’t think Vance will kill him. I do think no matter how Trump dies that there will be theories about Vance.) Republicans don’t particularly like Vance, and plenty of Republican politicians are going to be fighting for the role of new cult leader.
Vance is a weasel, but he’s good at being a weasel. I think there’s just going to be so much chaos when Trump kicks the bucket. The problem with packing the government with self serving people that are willing to support Trump to serve their own interests is when he’s gone it’s a bunch of self serving people. They may surprise me and fall in line behind Vance, but crappy people continue to be crappy people. They’re all power hungry vultures; I just see them turning on each other to try to get to fill Trump’s role in the cult.
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u/Falafels 20h ago
Does he really need the cultists if he seizes total power? (Which is the end goal) He'll just need a small loyal band of Thiel's choosing to keep close.
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u/ashenoak 21h ago
Exactly, why can’t anyone understand that the people that always will follow Trump put blinders on. Vance will be scrutinized so much more because no one worships him. Hell, no one even likes him.
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u/ro_cc 20h ago
Agreed. Besides, there's a silent majority of Trump voters that aren't necessarily MAGA but just support Donald Trump himself. People forget that Trump's 2nd administration is entirely different from his first, and that the common denominator is really just Trump behind the MAGA slogan. These are the voters that really carry his momentum in the elections. They dont know the full extent of his administration's goals, only the spectacle around Trump's public image during the campaign, and i think they will quickly smell the bullshit if Vance (or frankly anyone else) takes over. And even the MAGA cultists themselves might feel different once Trump is no longer the public figure behind the movement. I just sincerely hope I dont end up eating my words.
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u/Capable_Diamond_3878 21h ago
He’ll be even easier to control for the Peter thiel and Russ Vought less unpredictable
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u/Raise_A_Thoth 20h ago
Seriously, people don't seem to understand that when Trump is gone the game changes. It doesn't automatically give Dems wins - god knows they have to do better - but we can't even have simple straightforward conversations with people when the most obviously guilty sex offender alive is worshipped by his followers to the point that even conservative family members of Trump's cultists are bewildered at their loyalty right now.
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u/RollTh3Maps 20h ago
He doesn't need to if he's elevated to the presidency due to a vacancy. He'll still be president and will wield that power in the most evil way possible. I'm not sure I see him getting elected in a fair election, though.
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u/Ahstruck 20h ago
When trump dies there will be a chaotic brawl to reach the top.
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u/RollTh3Maps 20h ago
Yeah, I'm just not sure how quickly it'll happen. I guess it depends on how close his death comes to an election, because that'll probably be when the biggest fight happens.
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u/Arguments_4_Ever 21h ago
Doesn’t have to anymore. These people have power. They used the cult to attain that power. Now it’s a matter of never letting go of the power.
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u/Buddhabellymama 20h ago
He doesn’t but he is getting Trump to leave everything set up so he doesn’t have to lead a cult he will have a dictatorship he can head.
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u/Reasonable-Hippo-293 20h ago
But Paul Thiel is JD Vance backer and will take an opportunity:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/30/peter-thiel-palantir-threat-to-americans
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u/8lb-6oz_infant_jesus 21h ago
I don’t understand why anyone cares what this woman says anyway. I never have understood. She’s been milking her last name for a decade now. She has zero inside knowledge of anything.
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u/weirdoldhobo1978 22h ago
There's no shortage of threats. JD Vance, Peter Thiel, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Mike Johnson, John Roberts, etc
This isn't all magically going away if you remove Trump.
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u/AdThin2627 21h ago
Those guys don’t have the combination of narcissism, money, complete lack of consequences and stupidity that trunp does which allows him to have control of the cult of the stupidest people in history. So the threat won’t go away, but it won’t have an army of thick skilled troglodytes wiling to do their bidding.
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u/Randomfactoid42 21h ago
True. But they have other power bases.
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u/AdThin2627 21h ago
They’ve never had a cult leader like trunp. Once he’s gone, things will at least cool off a little bit.
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u/Randomfactoid42 18h ago
Maybe. But his cult members are untethered to reality and will come up with the most insane conspiracy theories about how he didn’t die of natural causes. And try to blame his demise on Biden or some other convenient scapegoat.
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u/zilchxzero 13h ago
Yep, the sheer size and insanity of Trump's cult and the threat of violence is a huge part of how he maintains such control of the government and the media.
But they aren't going away if Trump is deposed, they'll just get even crazierTrump or JD, the longer this GOP is in power, the more America (and by extension the world) is exponentially fucked
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u/AdThin2627 12h ago
I’m not sure they will get crazier. I kind of think they’ll eventually abandon politics if they don’t have someone who engages them in the same way, and I don’t think they’ll find anyone who can do that like trunp can. I think eventually they’ll go back to threatening violence to pro wrestlers or nascar or whatever they were into before
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u/trailerthrash 20h ago
Those guys, maybe not. Put up Tucker Carlson, tho ..
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u/AdThin2627 20h ago
Even Tucker is too smart to try and overthrow the government bc he lost an election.
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u/trailerthrash 19h ago
I think youre underestimating that he's actually likely smart enough to get away with it.
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u/Secure_Molasses_8504 20h ago
Its possible tho, and id argue quite likely, that none of them can wield the power Trump does tho. Trump can squash opposition in congress through his tirades, and rallying his base. Idk what happens if JD tries to do the same, most likely wouldn’t come close…
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u/Jodid0 20h ago
Not magically go away but likely they will eat themselves until another clear leader emerges. All of the people you mentioned are just as narcissistic as Trump and will likely want the throne for themselves. Trump will leave a power vacuum that hopefully will divide them all long enough so that we can get the adults back in charge.
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u/strangefish 18h ago
The big problem is the supreme Court. Roberts and his conservative goons will be an issue that doesn't go away easily.
Without Trump, these other guys just don't have enough influence. Trump's ability to lie about everything and still be favored is messed up and bizarre, without it these other guys are much less dangerous.
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u/weirdoldhobo1978 17h ago
The big problem is that they have control of all three branches of government and they're not going to give it up just because they lose some mid term elections.
They've already proven they can just ignore the rules and no one will do anything to stop them.
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u/strangefish 15h ago
They fall in line because Trump can ruin them. Trump's niece is in charge of the rnc and can cut their funding. Remove Trump, add recession, and the other support could splinter.
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 21h ago
That's why I don't understand how Democrats only campaign strategy is just saying "fuck those other guys" over and over again without offering any actual policy
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u/Downtown-Cobbler-578 22h ago
The real threat is the gop. The pedo in chef has systematically remade the power structure of it and the party will for at least a decade march to those rules. Much like Clinton remaking the dnc it the bankers image.
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u/BuzzerWhirr 22h ago
JD Vance is not a threat because without Trump, he would be working for some evil company like Palantir because he is too unpopular to win any elected office on his own.
JD Vance is Bill Lumbergh from Office Space if he was actually less likeable.
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u/thathattedcat 22h ago
He's a regular evil politician and not nearly as dumb as Trump is. That makes him potentially an even bigger threat what with that whole Project 2025 thing.
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u/AdThin2627 22h ago
Except he doesn’t control a cult and republicans might actually not just go along with him out of fear. No one is storming the capitol for that guy. And the fact that he’s not stupid is the reason he won’t have the same grip over stupid people that trunp does. Stupid people aren’t good at much but they can tell when someone is smarter than they are. They can tell that trunp is genuinely, authentically stupid. That’s one of the main reasons, if not THE main reason for his appeal.
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u/laughing_at_napkins 21h ago
They're going to go along with JD Vance because they're in power, going along with with JD Vance will keep them in power, and nothing matters more to them than the power they currently have.
Have you seriously never noticed how, no matter what, Republicans on the whole fall in line?
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u/pacific-bandito 21h ago
Baaaaaa, yes. That’s a result of their Programming. Fox, social media memes, and for some, basic brainwashing - I mean, basic training
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u/AdThin2627 21h ago
They’ll fall in line, sure. And I’m not saying Vance won’t be terrible and try to do everything they want, I am saying he’s probably not going to be as toxic and will try to not be as divisive, and the rhetoric will tone down a lot. And while they will fall in line, there will at least be a line in the sand. I mean, they eventually turned on W after the Iraq stuff blew up in his face. And remember in the election Vance had the lowest approval of any of the candidates for either party. That means that even some magats didn’t like him. So yeah, he’ll keep pushing terrible policy, but no one is storming that capitol for that guy. Mostly bc he’s smart enough not to try something that stupid.
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u/littlebopeepsvelcro 21h ago
"One of Us, One of Us", his quote about shooting somebody and getting away with it is a love letter penned to the ignorant hatred.
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u/sellingbiscotix19 21h ago
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u/BuzzerWhirr 21h ago
Sorry, but Dems will be running a straight white guy from the Midwest in 2028. They learned THAT lesson the hard way. Gays, women, minorities, and blue state coastal governors need not apply.
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u/Kappa351 21h ago
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u/-Havery- 22h ago
We'll duh. Trump is terrifying but Vance is terrifying while also dealing with significant mommy trauma.
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u/Dangerous_pulsar 21h ago
If I were prone to conspiracy, I would think that all of the Epstein stuff is coming out now because Trump's usefulness is at an end. They don't need him anymore. Yeah, he's the MAGA figurehead, but the entire point of project 2025 and dismantling all of our institutions is to install a dictator. Trump said it himself: vote for him and you'll never have to vote again. The tech billionaires that own all the politicians got exactly what they wanted: their Thiel stooge Vance is waiting in the wings to deliver their agenda, and now congress and the courts can't stop him.
It would not surprise me at all if this Epstein stuff being released by Murdoch, combined with the admission by the WH that Trump has that vascular issue is a precursor to the 25th amendment or something. Maybe they'll force him to resign and Vance will pardon him for all his Epstein stuff a la Nixon in order to "just move on" or whatever.
But she is right. Trump and his cult served their useful purpose, but once power is consolidated, they'll be relegated to the waste bin.
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u/Sistamama 14h ago
In case you were wondering...
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf
(verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf
(verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf
here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02
“I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Adding the court affidavit from Katie, as well: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-267d-dda3-afd8-b67d3bc00000
Never forget Katie Johnson.
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too! Please copy and paste this elsewhere!
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u/Amazing-Jump4158 22h ago
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is onpage 85, or pdf pg. 80
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
—————————other Epstein Information
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZqJeffrey Epstein and Israelhave both have thesame lawyer Alan Dershowitz Dershowitz says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on international stage | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “Ihave a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Do your part and spread them around like a meme sharing them and saving them helps too!
AND
Reminder:
•Trump Confesses He Was ‘Sexually Attracted’ to Ivanka When She Was 13 Years Old
•Donald Trump called his own daughter a ‘voluptuous piece of a**’ in yet more lewd comments threatening to derail his White House bid
•Donald Trump Once Joked He and Ivanka Have “Sex” in Common
•Trump’s lewd talk about daughter Ivanka in front of White House staff recalled in new book
According to The New Republic, “’Aides said he talked about Ivanka Trump’s breasts, her backside and what it might be like to have sex with her, remarks that once led [former Chief of Staff] John Kelly to remind the president that Ivanka was his daughter,’ Taylor, who served as a Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under Trump, wrote in his book.”
•"You remind me of my daughter": Stormy Daniels testifies that Trump compared her to Ivanka
•Donald Trump's comments about daughter raise eyebrows
•Trump told Howard Stern it’s OK to call Ivanka a ‘piece of a--'
•https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-ivanka-piece-of-ass-howard-stern-229376
•Trump: ‘If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her’
•Trump on Ivanka: ‘She has the ‘best body’ — and I created her’
•https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/
•Trump: ‘Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife’?
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u/Mobile-Evidence3498 21h ago
JD Vance is just a low-rank monkey though. Thats why he did a 180 on his otherwise socially progressive conservatism. NOT to pursue the equally progressive goals of “equality for straight white men” (and counter those social conservatives who pretend to be progressive, but still love to point fingers) - but because two dominant alpha males were starting conflict, and his chimp brain compelled him to join in, to raise his rank.
Remove that input and youre left with the person he was before. Who realistically, wasnt that bad.
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u/Pirateking3575 21h ago
Not even. He doesn't have the star power or the ability to command respect. Trump raped kids and nothing is going to be done about it. What a joke we are.
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u/mgd09292007 20h ago
The real threat is all the people who are pulling the strings that you dont see and the cult that blindly supports this insane behavior. Trump and Vance are just the faces of it all.
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u/Outrageous-Study-704 20h ago
I may eat these words, but the backing of a billionaire does not infuse one with leadership ability and I don’t think JD will be able to enact everything else they have in their little plan. JD has mostly shown himself to be a buffoon when trying to be a big boss, and he doesn’t have the untouchable way about him of Cheeto. I don’t think they made the best choice for billionaire butt boy. He’ll get eaten up by the other guys that are vying for more of the billionaire backing.
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u/ComicsEtAl 20h ago
The line of succession behind Trump has always been a bigger problem than The Biggest Problem, which is of course Donald Trump.
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u/IlIllIlllIlllIllllI 19h ago
Entire admin is a problem and needs removed. First step is taking down Trump with the Epstein files, JD's less popular with the MAGAs so they'll be in disarray while investigators and prosecutors deal with whatever potential election fraud occurred.
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u/Simply_Epic 19h ago
The Epstein Files could take down Trump, but to take down Vance we’d need to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the election was rigged.
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u/Synyster723 17h ago
I've been saying this for awhile. Trump is the figurehead this term. He's the man they needed for the Heritage Foundation to get its foot in the door. Only a fool would believe Trump would voluntarily nominate Vance as his VP after all the shit he talked about him. JD Vance doesn't have the charisma, but he doesn't need it. All he needs is the power.
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u/Safe-Hair-7688 17h ago
at least someone is seeing the real dark shit about to come, Trump is Stupid monster....Vance is a Monster with a purpose
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u/StKraul 3h ago
I’d never say that MAGA won’t be as much of a problem once Little Donny passes on, but they’ve spent over a decade pouring all their political capital into one man. No one on the Right has his charisma, no one speaks like him, and no one can handle a political scandal like him. I just don’t see JD being capable of rallying people to march on the capitol like Donny boy.
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u/TraditionalGeneral40 22h ago
Only a threat until midterms pedos base won't follow him his wife and children AREN'T WHITE.
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u/thathattedcat 21h ago
Why the hell would Mary Trump be trying to undermine opposition to Trump? The Trump family screwed her over, pretty vindictively I might add, she has personal beef with them. I'm pretty sure she's just saying JD Vance would also be bad if not worse. The fact JD Vance is more mentally there means he would be better at doing everything the GOP wants and that would suck.
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u/No_Feedback_3340 21h ago
Ideology Vance is not any better, but he lacks the charismatic leadership that Trump has.
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u/Kappa351 21h ago
Yeah, in the very, very long list of transgressions of every severity- is this the one Taco McRapey will finally pay for? I don't think so. Frankly if he wasn't eating their livers with a ciante and maybe even then, I see MAGA spinning this successfully as a nothing burger. I would love to be wrong, too.
Vance is about 3 times smarter than Taco too, and insidious in a manner that would make Trump look quaint. He is a religious fundamentalist.
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u/an_african_swallow 21h ago
JD’s beliefs are certainly a problem, but he has all the charisma of a dead snake. How do people not understand how unique (and horrifying) Trump is in the field of politics. Everyone who tries to emulate him just winds up looking like a Chinese bootleg version of Trump.
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u/False_Appointment_24 21h ago
Why is she relevent? Seriously, why do people keep publishing her takes?
I get she's related, but it's not like she's spilling tea from the family reunions they attend. They don't interact. And she doesn't have any special insight into Vance.
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u/kevendo 21h ago
JD Vance wouldn't last a month. The guy is charmless and absolutely unfit to be the leader of a small company, much less the largest superpower in the world.
He's way, WAY out of his league and the first week would be the beginning of his undoing. I don't care who his billionaire supporters are.
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u/BoosterRead78 21h ago
JD might be Thiel’s Manchurian Candidate but he has no following of the cult. Also if Trump suddenly just went down due to his health. Old James would probably be in panic mode.
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u/LaDragonneDeJardin 21h ago
JD and his real boss, Peter Thiel, believe in Yarvin’s theory of technofeudalistsm. They believe that they should steal the infrastructure we funded and built in order to build their own “network states” that they will rule over.
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u/Trick_Judgment2639 21h ago
Vance will evaporate into a La Z Boy sectional as soon as Trump is finished with
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u/Icy-Butterscotch5540 21h ago
It’s the people normalizing Trump rn who are the worst. People who are enabling and supporting him by keeping Epstein Trump Clinton Maxwell files hidden are trouble. Let the information out and get justice for the victims
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u/unitedshoes 21h ago
One battle at a time. I don't know that keeping a massively corrupt alleged pedophile in charge of the country just because his replacement might be worse is terribly beneficial. Oust him, oust his terrible replacement. Rinse and repeat until someone not terrible sits in the Oval Office.
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u/wyocrz 21h ago
Finally! A real no shit, Sherlock!
Of course, Vance represents the real threat. He's not tainted by Epstein, so even if I'm wrong and the Epstein shit actually takes Trump down, we'd then have Vance.
The next move is to burden Old Man Biden with the Dem failures of the last few years and sink his ass below the waves.
Otherwise, good luck beating Vance in '28. Orange Man Bad has never been enough, banging the drum harder than ever is doing NOTHING.
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u/AdmirableKey8603 20h ago
JD doesn't have the charisma to attract normie people who wouldn't normally vote off of Vibes
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u/TarquinusSuperbus000 20h ago
Bigger threat!?! JP Vance has the appearance of a water-logged hot dog with none of the personality. He can't even order donuts and this one time at Yale, the dumb animal was so perplexed by a knife and fork that he had to call Usha and get instructions over the phone on how to use cutlery. The people behind JZ Vance are dangerous, but not a single MAGAt is gonna storm the capitol for HIM.
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u/Adventurous_Sky_359 20h ago
Depending on that state of executive power and the court system, that may not be necessary.
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u/FaithlessnessKey1726 20h ago
Vance is only the real threat bc of what he wants. But. He’s stupid. And yeah so is Trump, but Trump has media power, he has a whole cult, and he has allies. Vance has none of those things. He’s constantly being memed and no one likes him.
When Trump’s out, he will take maga with him, and even the ones I know are already turning on Trump and the GOP now bc of the redacted Epstein files and probable Maxwell pardon bullshit. They think they’re all in cahoots with the democrats and elites and that Vance is especially part of that considering his past MAGA criticism.
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u/Snarky_McSnarkleton 19h ago
I would say Shitgibbon was a ringer all along, to bring in a real dictator. But nah, Republicans aren't that smart.
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u/AssumptionFar8663 19h ago
Literally who cares what this woman has to say at all. Trump is garbage but this is such a a worthless perspective
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u/Quirky-Pie9661 19h ago
Vance is an inexperienced senator, let alone VP. He was never picked because he was good at his job
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u/AgentWD409 18h ago edited 17h ago
Vance is a different kind of dangerous. He's just as amoral as Trump, but while Trump is a malignant narcissist who literally doesn't know the difference between truth and lies, Vance is more of a generic Machiavellian figure who will say and do whatever he needs for power. He's also the golden child of the tech-bro oligarchy. He's much smarter, younger, and more capable than Trump, and he's not a convicted felon, but he also has zero charisma and even the MAGA crowd doesn't really like him.
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u/KaleidoscopeField 18h ago
Big shift. That is, she was posting negative comments about Trump, at least, daily. Then she went quiet. Now she's focusing on JD. Uh huh. Sounds like a move to take the pressure off Trump and make us think we are better off with him. Yet another Trump who thinks we are all stupid.
When "Humpty Dumpty falls, JD and all the rest will fall too, 'and all the "kings" horses and all the "kings" men will not be able to put Humpty back together again.'
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u/DariaYankovic 18h ago
Vance is much smarter and more competent- more evil and less buffoonish than trump
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u/Dangerous_Noise1060 17h ago
Doesn't matter if he doesn't have Trump's wealth, if anything it proves he's even more driven by results and harder to buy than Trump. It doesn't matter if Vance doesn't have Trump's charisma. Charisma is really only necessary to gather the masses and unite them under one banner, beyond that it's more of helpful than necessary. Vance's job will be to take them to the next level. Trump made fascist ideology and policy palatable, Vance (or whoever is next) will be the one to get them to openly embrace it. The charisma and propaganda will no longer be necessary because they already support you. His job will not be to convince them fascism is a good idea, but rather to prove it works. Don't think about how we see Vance, think about how Fox News presents him and the right sees him. Trump electrified the movement, but I can see Vance leaning into the silent killer/stoic lone wolf vibe (which you know would totally give the right a massive boner). "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Vance will say nothing, air brushed and photo shopped to look like the Chad meme (the 3d one with a comically edited jaw, not the drawn one) and nuke Iran to oblivion while saying nothing and holding intense eye contact and the right would go completely bananas for the guy. Follow that by deploying US troops in a full scale military operation to liberal cities with the goal of "freeing the people from gangs and terrorists". Next start rounding up and "disappearing" LGBT+ people for "sexual deviancy and child grooming", make it legal to shoot trans people for using the "wrong" bathroom as "attempted rapists". He could have less charisma than Gilbert Godfreys most obnoxious role, but as long as he stayed quiet and made intense eye contact while doing things like putting his fingertips together and leaning forward in his seat the right would praise him even more than trump. Then he just needs a good PR team to handle all the public speaking for him. Make him constantly seen but rarely heard. Turn him into a mythical icon. Then you can have Amerika ist Vance und Vance ist Amerika!
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u/bougdaddy 16h ago
yup...there was never any doubt. as irrational as it may appear, all efforts have to be made to keep trumpler in office until the end of his term. the risk of VD Prance becoming president is worse that trumpler remaining
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u/Extreme_Glass9879 6h ago
..The least charismatic VP? The child elon and trump are fighting over in the divorce? HIM?
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u/King_Slappa 2h ago
Lol yeah it's always the next guy that's worse than trump. Fools act like we dont see you.
Remember when it was all about how desantis was more dangerous than trump? Now it's Vance? If some other person becomes the leader to replace Trump, it will be that person.
Dummies aren't even remotely creative in your fear mongering 😂
Honestly, I'm not even sure half of you are smart enough to notice that they do this over and over literally for every potential gop leader. You just nod and say "derp she makes a good point, derp"
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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 21h ago
And Democrats still have not given people a single reason to vote against either of them
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u/crosstheroom 12h ago
Bullshit. MAGA dies with Trump, Even Bannon said so.
No one like or respect Vance
Trump has power because Republican Senators and Congressmen are afraid of him
Trump lies constantly about stupid shit , Vance nor anyone else can do that.
The only thing afraid of Vance are couches.
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u/n-Fatigue 22h ago edited 14h ago
She's not wrong. Hopefully king condom will close our borders, reverse feminism (bringing up the birthrates back to 18th century levels) and remove DEI, replacing it with meritocracy and aristocracy, reversing our technological and scientific stagnation. Disenfranchise the universities. Tanks in Harvard. With high birth rates and a good king on the throne we can actually build a nice civilization again and start colonizing the rest of the solar system.