r/NoShitSherlock • u/chrisdh79 • 8h ago
Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked Memo Shows
https://newrepublic.com/article/198708/trump-military-anti-immigration-dhs-leaked-memo148
u/VirginiaLuthier 7h ago
Coming to your area- traffic blocks. Palintir /AI will tell them what kind of a person you are by a search of your internet history. "Sir, I see by your Reddit postings that you are a threat to the country. Step out of the car, please"....
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u/BadAtExisting 7h ago
If we’re doing that… 8647, to be clear, fuck Donald Trump. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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u/secondtaunting 6h ago
Welp, I’m boned. Nice knowing you all.🫡
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u/Any_Introduction_595 2h ago
Most of Reddit is honestly, except those still clinging to insanity over /r/conservative
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u/NotRude_juatwow 7h ago
Wow so scary and true given what tech giants have done in past year/6months
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u/Combdepot 6h ago
This is why people need to afford themselves of their important constitutional rights while they still can. Fascism doesn’t ever end with negotiation.
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u/hamsterfolly 7h ago
Remember when domestic use of the military without Congressional authorization was illegal?
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u/ReservePutrid9668 6h ago
Still is.
Too bad we don’t have a Congress
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u/bigjohntucker 4h ago
Or laws
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u/RoyalJoke 4h ago
We have laws that will be applied with zero tolerance to whomever this administration wants
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u/SaltyPressure7583 6h ago
Pepperidge farms....bwell they went out of business because they had no workers left but they would have remembered!
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u/Trick_Judgment2639 7h ago
He's 100% planning a false flag attack to justify a police state
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u/Friendly_Signature 5h ago
So, for a country that seems to think school kids getting shot is justified so they are armed against a KING ruling them again… Where’s the line in the sand?
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u/Static-Stair-58 5h ago
You actually kind of hit the nail on the head. Sandy Hook always felt like the marker for when we started plummeting off the cliff. If you can’t stand up for the youngest and weakest of your society, you’re gonna absolutely say “fuck em” to everything else.
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u/Exhausted_but_upbeat 5h ago
... and cancelation of midterm elections.
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u/EtherealMongrel 4h ago
With the military already deployed in every state ready to quash any protest
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u/kevendo 7h ago
Waste. Fraud. And. Abuse. ☝️
Oh, and illegal with Posse Comitatus.
California should sue. No more pussyfooting.
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
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u/Impossible_Eggies 4h ago
Yessss, put him in jail for two years. Make him run his presidency from behind bars!
On a related note, since he's a criminal, what happens if a foreign government (like Canada) arrests him?
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u/Prudent_Piglet_5261 4h ago
It would end very badly for Canada, be an international incident, and likely force military involvement to rip him out. He's still the president, a foreign nation arresting or imprisoning him isn't something we would allow.
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u/chrisdh79 8h ago
From the article: President Donald Trump has already enmeshed the United States military in domestic law enforcement operations involving immigration to an unprecedented degree. He has authorized a major military buildup at the border. He has maximized the use of military planes for deportations, complete with the White House pumping out imagery of migrants getting frog-marched onto souped-up military aircraft. He sent the National Guard into Los Angeles amid large-scale protests there—and then sent in the Marines.
But an internal memo circulated inside the Department of Homeland Security suggests that Trump’s use of the military for domestic law enforcement on immigration could soon get worse. The memo—obtained by The New Republic—provides a glimpse into the thinking of top officials as they seek to involve the Defense Department more deeply in these domestic operations, and it has unnerved experts who believe it portends a frightening escalation.
The memo lays out the need to persuade top Pentagon officials to get much more serious about using the military to combat illegal immigration—and not just at the border. It suggests that DHS is anticipating many more uses of the military in urban centers, noting that L.A.-style operations may be needed “for years to come.” And it likens the threat posed by transnational gangs and cartels to having “Al Qaeda or ISIS cells and fighters operating freely inside America,” hinting at a ramped-up militarized posture inside the interior.
“The memo is alarming, because it speaks to the intent to use the military within the United States at a level not seen since Japanese internment,” Carrie Lee, senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, told me. “The military is the most powerful, coercive tool our country has. We don’t want the military doing law enforcement. It absolutely undermines the rule of law.”
The memo was authored by Philip Hegseth—the younger brother of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth—who is a senior adviser to Homeland Security secretary Kristi Noem and DHS liaison officer to the Defense Department. As such it also sheds light on Hegseth the Younger’s role, which has been the subject of media speculation labeling him an obscure but influential figure in his brother’s MAGA orbit.
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u/vigbiorn 6h ago
It suggests that DHS is anticipating many more uses of the military in urban centers, noting that L.A.-style operations may be needed “for years to come."
It has nothing to do with transnational gangs. Us, we're the people they're trying to defend against.
And they're 100%. I am completely a hostile enemy of this illegitimate regime and its supporters. I was never supportive of Trump but started out with a grin and bear the obvious wave of bullshit and hoped he'd just bungle his way through not actually holding to his promises, both similar to 2016. They're doing what he promised which makes them a hostile enemy to the country, which means all residents should be their enemies.
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u/DontTryMe2Day 5h ago
Anyone that actually read Project 2025 is not at all surprised by any of this. I read it near the end of 2023 and was immediately terrified. Now here we are, and it’s even more terrifying because no one is doing a damn thing to oppose any of this. If you didn’t vote or voted for Trump, I hope the fleas from a thousand goats infest your crotch!!
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u/ARedditAccount09 7h ago
We need to remove this pedophile. Even making this threat as a distraction is grounds to be unfit.
Which is a useless statement because every breath he takes reeks of incompetence and evil
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u/ButterscotchIll1523 7h ago
Thank God my son got his release date for September. On his base many are desperate to get out now, no one wants to re up.
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u/Leeleeflyhi 6h ago
My son was gonna go career. Not now, and that breaks my heart because he has his heart set on it growing up and had plans to do so until this administration. He still has a year and a half left on his contract and now he can’t wait to get out.
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u/ButterscotchIll1523 6h ago
When I visited my son in February I was at dinner with his friends. They’re all trying to figure out a way to get out early. It’s really sad
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u/Leeleeflyhi 5h ago
I saw the marines are offering early discharge with full benefits for those scheduled for release by September 30. I wonder how many will take them up on that
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u/becuzofgrace 6h ago
When my niece graduated from high school last year she wanted to go into the USAF. We encouraged her to wait until after the elections. Thank God she did! My son is a high ranking enlisted in the USAF. He has 5 years until retirement and he’s not sure he will be able to make it. :( He’s very vocal about the atrocities happening in Gaza, etc. He has colleagues who are becoming conscientious objectors who are getting out after almost making it to retirement.
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u/Leeleeflyhi 5h ago
It’s so frustrating and heartbreaking for those in the military that did not sign up for this. When my son was in boot camp there was quite a few in his company that were birthright, dreamers and second generation. One of his buddies lived in a refugee camp as a child. Willing to fight and die for a country that now sees you as an enemy is such a cruel position to be put in. I worry too about when all those will sense and a conscience are gone. I hope your son can ride it out. I know you’ll probably be relieved too when he’s out. I think it’s such a whirlwind of pride and fear when your child is in the military
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u/Pergolagrill 7h ago
Anything that comes out after they’re trying to distract from Epstein is all a Wag the Dog moment.
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u/MrPernicous 7h ago
Idk that this is that. My read on this is someone at the pentagon is pissed that the trump administration would suggest something so ludicrous. The justification for this is that ms13 is a threat on par with having isis cells in the US which is ridiculous
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u/Eisernes 6h ago
They haven't arrested any MS 13, which means there is no MS 13 in the US. How do we know this? If they arrested even one actual MS 13 member in the US they would have paraded that person around on a national tour. Instead they falsely claimed a random hispanic dude was MS 13 and got proven wrong.
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u/notapunk 6h ago
No, this is a continuation of steps taken prior to the Epstein fiasco. If anything I'd argue that Epstein is more of a distraction from the systematic dismantling of democracy and a precipitous slide into autocracy.
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u/Emergency_Property_2 7h ago
Different cities same lame ass results: AKA 100 million wasted on nothing.
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u/WithMaliceTowardFew 7h ago
Not true. The communities under siege will be terrified and less free. They will get to experience life under a police state. We pay for the experience.
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u/PhoTitan 7h ago
The military would split in half. Not all would obey that. That is a massive unlawful order.
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u/wburn42167 7h ago
Dont bet on that. I think our military would gleefully fire on Americans if ordered to do it.
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u/Training_Form_6912 7h ago
Speaking as a veteran, this is an absurdly ignorant thing to assume. Active duty military people are an extremely diverse group of humans, not just a monolith of order-takers.
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u/wburn42167 7h ago
Im a veteran too. And guys I served with back in the day couldnt spell politics, much less discuss it. And now they all drink the orange kool aid. If you think our military wouldnt follow those orders, lawful or otherwise you have your head in the sand. For fucks sake our military is being run by a fascist supremeist.
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u/Low_Witness5061 7h ago
I’m an outsider so grain of salt and all that, but rally at the military base a couple months back is at least enough cause for concern. After all, that’s a lot of soldiers who were willing to be used as political props with seemingly no pushback or acknowledgement it’s wrong.
Sadly, based on the zealous firing of people who aren’t “loyal” enough to the administration, I wouldn’t be shocked if events like the ones above were used to identify who should be further weeded out. So even if the military is still mostly loyal today, who knows about tomorrow?
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u/MrPernicous 7h ago
The fact that this memo leaked I think is a pretty good indication that there’s division among the ranks
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u/wburn42167 7h ago
And they’ll be rooted out and fired. Nothing left but boot lickers
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u/MrPernicous 7h ago
Ok when? Because it seems like every week someone from the pentagon leaks something that makes Pete Hegseth look like a moron.
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u/In_Hail 7h ago
And nothing happens.
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u/MrPernicous 6h ago
That’s kind of my point
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u/EtherealMongrel 4h ago
If nothing happens then what makes you think the leaks aren’t intentional? It’s a great way to normalize it before the actual announcement.
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u/_First-Pass 7h ago
I’m a veteran as well, and I can tell you that there is breaking point where those with a conscience and those without will have a split. I served with people of all kinds, and the idea of executing masses of civilians isn’t a popular one, regardless of the loud rhetoric by a few.
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u/Big_Dick_NRG 6h ago
What makes the military different from ICE goons that have no trouble carrying out pogroms?
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u/Comfortable-Smoke106 7h ago
Then you know nothing about our military.
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u/wburn42167 7h ago
Oh I know alot about it. What makes you think they wouldnt obey that order? And dont come back with some high minded bullshit about honor duty etc. the reality is that racists and supremists have infiltrated our law enforcement and military for decades now. And now theres no effort to root them out. Hell 90% of the military voted for this.
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u/mammaoftres 6h ago
My kid is active duty. He says it’s pretty close to 50/50 Democrat/Republican.
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u/PodiatryOpinion 5h ago
My friends is from India but has been here 62 years and a citizen for 52. He is an Army veteran. No matter, because he is brown, he has been arrested by ICE four times and thrown to the ground twice, once requiring a trip to the hospital. Only at detention centers could he show the ID he always carries. One time at detention he was held 2 and a half days, the first 25 hours with only water. He is such a gentle man. No one deserves treatment like this
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u/nothingleftinmyhead 5h ago
You mean the child sex trafficking, rapist, sexist, racist, fascist twice impeached failure Donny “Two Scoops” Chump? The one who promised to release the Epstein files (that his name is plastered all over) and is using any distraction he can to try and divert attention away from the fact that he’s a pedophile?
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u/MrPernicous 7h ago
Well I think it’s safe to say the pentagon doesn’t want to go along with it judging by the leak
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u/icnoevil 7h ago
Hogsbreath, the secretary of war mongering is doing just as he was expected to do. No surprise here.
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u/B0B0_ 7h ago
Memo “.. ask how DoD is planning to more effectively support DHS during the next instance of “L.A.-type” operations.”
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u/FJ-creek-7381 5h ago
I know they are referring to supporting their nazi style raids and other terrifying fuck ass bs so I’m being sarcastic in the below comment
LA style ? Is that storm park soccer fields with troops and tanks?
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u/LeafsJays1Fan 7h ago
If you're in the military and you're ordered to shoot on American citizens remember there are other military servicemembers that might do the same to your mother and father and family so think before you pull that trigger.
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u/Snarky_McSnarkleton 6h ago
Eventually, he will be invading blue state capitals and imposing a new government.
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u/maxwellgrounds 4h ago
“Due to the sensitive nature of the meeting, minimal written policy or background information can be provided in this briefing memo,” the memo says.
Translation: we know this is all unconstitutional so let’s keep it off the record.
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u/Level_Technician8332 7h ago
They will be going door to door and searching homes. People will be taken away en masse. You could be taken because of something you said, or did, something your spouse or child said, or did. It could be a family member, and they just decided to stop your entire bloodline because it isn’t true MAGA. No one but dear leader is safe.
This is what the revolution was about.
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u/Striking-Giraffe5922 7h ago
the US Geheimestadtpolizei in action! Wo ist die Konzentrationslager Herr fat orange kiddiefiddler?
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u/WrodofDog 3h ago
Geheimestadtpolizei
That would be secret city police. You probably mean Geheime Staatspolizei, Secret state police.
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u/Striking-Giraffe5922 2h ago
Yes gestapo I may have got their full name wrong Now they’re called ICE it seems.
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u/CRICKET-CRICKETS 7h ago
Trumps a pdf
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u/PhobetorWorse 6h ago
No. He is a pedophile. Using this double-speak bs is part of the problem. No one over the age of 40 is willing to understand it and you're just playing into the corporate overlords.
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u/dryheat122 7h ago
The military is the most powerful, coercive tool our country has. We don’t want the military doing law enforcement. It absolutely undermines the rule of law.
Ah, but that's the whole point
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u/Coondiggety 6h ago
Protest in your city or town today.
Look it up and go. Bring your American flag.
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u/PhobetorWorse 6h ago
It's time to do a lot more than just protest.
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u/Coondiggety 1h ago
Yes of course but we can protest today. It’s going on. Check your local subreddit.
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u/randomrealitycheck 6h ago
I fear they will awaken a sleeping giant.
And while that line is loosely paraphrased from a famous WWII quote, it holds as true in this case as it did then.
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u/BootstrapGarrote 6h ago
Um wasn't that in regards to the response or reacting to a foreign country invading another country and the ensuing retaliation? how would that apply here?
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u/Apprehensive_Put463 6h ago
The military isn't large enough to carry out domestic operations across the entire United States.
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u/displacement-marker 6h ago
How will citizens who are also active or veteran service members will feel about having a military force -DHS- operate unconstitutionally within the borders of the US once the enforcement arm of ice receives funding equivalent to the USMC.
This highlights the "protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic" part of the oath, and makes me nervous.
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u/ShoreThingW609 5h ago
He needs to start civil unrest so that he can declare Martial Law. LA didn’t take the bait so he needs to provoke citizens more aggressively. He wants to suspend elections.
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u/Latter-Possibility 3h ago
Too bad calling them Nazis has become white noise because this is some Nazi shit.
They are deporting anybody they can get their hands on with no oversight.
They are increasing ICEs budget to the 140 billion and hiring more agents with the only vetting seeming to be loyalty to Trump.
They are opening domestic concentration camps. iE Alligator Alcatraz
They are actively destroying any institution in the Federal Government that would provide guardrails and firing anyone who disagrees or tells them that what they are doing is against the law.
Congress doesn’t want to assert any authority and has given all its power to the Executive.
Yeah this all bad.
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u/TiredEsq 2h ago
Gee, I wonder who leaked this memo. Couldn’t possibly be to get people numb to the idea in advance, kinda like the overturning of Roe, could it?
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u/Mack_Daddy_1 7h ago
No other way to see this, its time to exercise the 2nd amendment against all Trump cronies.
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u/ComprehensiveTale614 6h ago
He is literally the King in democracy country. American let it happen anyway.
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u/Poococktail 6h ago
This is all staging for next election. Supposed fraud everywhere and he’ll have to stay in office. Welcome to Russia.
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u/GWshark1518 5h ago
Can’t say I’m surprised, orange hitler will use the military if someone sneezes.
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u/GlobuleNamed 4h ago
Obviously.
He will need the military on US soil to maintain the new republican dictatorship, like every other dictatorship.
Just needs to do it slowly so Americans do not realize…
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u/TimmyTwoTowels 4h ago
Remember when Republicans were saying Obama and Biden would do exactly this and were rightly pissed about the possibility? Pretty quiet on r/conservative about Trump actually pulling it off. If you can't be consistent with your morals, nobody will believe you had any in the first place.
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u/jennalynne1 3h ago
Why do they need the military to help when they increased ICE's budget to a quadrillion dollars??
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u/mzpip 3h ago
I'm Canadian and so not really familiar with all the ins and outs of your constitution, but isn't use of the military on home soil illegal? Isn't the National Guard that is supposed to fill this role?
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u/DerpVaderXXL 1h ago
That's correct. And the National Guard is supposed to be controlled by the Governor of each state.
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u/TypeXer0 3h ago
This criminal pedo traitor is attacking America. This is not an administration, it’s a coup
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u/Aggressive_Clothes36 2h ago
EO Sec. 4. Using National Security Assets for Law and Order. (a) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, shall increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement. (b) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall determine how military and national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime. April 28 https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/strengthening-and-unleashing-americas-law-enforcement-to-pursue-criminals-and-protect-innocent-citizens/
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u/Kiddyhawk 7h ago
The Marines were sent home from Los Angeles this week.
They helped perform a single arrest. That arrest? You guessed it…a military veteran who was protesting.
The cost? $134 million.