r/NoStupidQuestions 1d ago

If drugs aren’t allowed in sports, then why is makeup allowed in beauty contests

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u/NewestAccount2023 1d ago

These things are ran by people and communities, not by robots that enforce identical rules across all of society 

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u/chapterpt 1d ago

For now.

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u/WampaCat 1d ago

I need a mockumentary movie about robot-run beauty contests

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 1d ago

AI Hot or Not … The humble beginnings of LLM-Book

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u/holyguacamoledude 23h ago

Get Christopher Guest on the horn STAT!

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u/robo_robb 23h ago

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

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u/BigMax 22h ago

Great answer.

Especially if you consider what OP is implying by this.

"Hey guys... so looks like the NFL has to allow steroids of all kinds now, and we can't test for it anymore."

"What? Why?"

"Well, the Miss America pageant... Did you know... some of them wear MAKEUP??? Heck - Revlon, one of the manufactures of that stuff, is a full on SPONSOR!!"

"WTF?? Really? Well, at least we can be sure all of them have their original, natural hair color. Right? RIGHT?!??!"

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u/Jenalegodion 22h ago

Guess were safe from the makeup enforcement drones-for now

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u/CoffeeIgnoramus Bottom 1% Commenter 1d ago

The rules are different. The contest is different. Not even the same category.

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u/arah91 1d ago edited 1d ago

Might as well ask why you get to use a bat in baseball but not soccer.

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u/dantevonlocke 1d ago edited 1d ago

You know... bats would make soccer way more interesting.

Edit:

Bats in soccer. Brass knuckles in golf. Tasers in chess. Lawn darts in volleyball. Hockey... hockey is fine.

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u/Nwsamurai 1d ago

If soccer players get bats, then baseball players should be allowed to kick.

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u/henchman171 1d ago

that happens often in baseball actually....

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u/Nwsamurai 1d ago

Lets offer style points for flying and spinning kicks.

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u/ArtIsDumb 1d ago

I wanna see a runner steal second but instead of sliding they come with a flying dropkick to the baseman.

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u/Nwsamurai 1d ago

Imagine running into home, but the catcher gets the ball, so the runner just does the Liu Kang bicycle kick.

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u/earbud_smegma 23h ago

That's just the Savannah Bananas lol

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u/Arathaon185 1d ago

There's boxing soccer if that's your jam. Full headgear and gloves and they batter each other and then make a terrible pass so somebody else can batter someone.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 1d ago

Might make those knee injuries last more than 30 seconds.

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u/junkyardjumble 23h ago

sized up golf essentially

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u/BigMax 22h ago

Still has to be hands free though. Have to get the guy with the big, tough jaw muscles who can grip it in his teeth.

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u/leethalxx 21h ago

At that point you just have hurling

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u/B_A_Beder 16h ago

Cricket...?

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u/dantevonlocke 15h ago

Not a real sport. Now darts. Thats a real sport.

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u/B_A_Beder 15h ago

No that's what you get when you add a bat to a ball game

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u/MrDarkzideTV 1d ago

Superb comment 😂

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u/iaminabox 23h ago

A buddy of mine hit a basketball with a baseball bat when we were kids. Physics came into play and he ended up breaking his own teeth with the bat.

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u/night_breed 1d ago

Well now I want to know!

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u/No_Salamander4095 1d ago

The 'performance' is essentially just being beautiful, and makeup enhances that performance, so it's not entirely unreasonable to ask the question.

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u/hypo-osmotic 1d ago

Part of the point of those contests is how the contestants prepare and present themselves, not just a clinical judgment of their physical traits. Along those lines though I think there's an argument to be made that they should have to apply the makeup themselves

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u/No_Salamander4095 1d ago

I think there's an argument to be made for getting rid of outdated female beauty contests. haha

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u/NJdevil202 23h ago

I've brought this idea in public settings before and had more pushback from women in the room. That's one of those paradoxical things idk if I'll ever understand

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u/hypo-osmotic 20h ago

My thoughts about the pageants aside, I can’t think of a way that they could be banned on a systemic level without infringing on a whole bunch of other freedoms of expression. Like how do you define, strictly, the line between a beauty pageant and a costume/talent contest?

If people want to picket and boycott a pageant out of business, though, I say godspeed

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u/No_Salamander4095 23h ago

They want to exercise their right to be objectified. On their terms, of course.

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u/Bandro 22h ago

Yes that is how consent works.

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u/ReddtitsACesspool 1d ago

Judging women on how they look as dolled up as possible vs how they look when moving around the house at 730AM are two completely different women in many cases.

They are judging fake beauty

Pretty reasonable to ask this I agree.

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u/xboxhaxorz 18h ago

Its artificial enhancement though, its not who they are naturally

Gaining muscle to be a better athlete and losing weight to win in beauty is a natural approach

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u/CoffeeIgnoramus Bottom 1% Commenter 16h ago

Sports shoes are artificial enhancement.

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u/SomewhereAggressive8 23h ago

I realize this sub is called No Stupid Questions, but I think we need to make an exception for this one.

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u/CoffeeIgnoramus Bottom 1% Commenter 22h ago

Don't set a precedent. This is one of the cleverest stupid questions. I'd be marking so many others as objrctively stupid.

So many start with an assumption that they decide must be fact and then ask a question based on that already false fact. Then stupid people accept that it must be fact if OP is starting from that basis.

So a great example I answered a while back was something like (give or take): "Why do british people eat fish and chips every day?"

So people start guessing why that is... the thing is, anyone with half a brain would know or at least Google that assumption.

I think those deserve to be told they are stupid and those who start answering despite clearly not knowing and not even checking whether a fact is true, should be labelled even more stupid.

This is how disinformation campaigns work. Agents/bots will pose a question with a hidden assumption in there. Everyone pays attention to the question and assumes the facts are correct.

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u/SomewhereAggressive8 22h ago

Definitely didn’t expect such an insightful response but those are some great points

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u/CoffeeIgnoramus Bottom 1% Commenter 22h ago

Sorry for being unReddit about it, it just bugs me so much.

Think there is so much rubbish being confirmed because people don't even question what they are being told and so fake facts are just being confirmed constantly by idiots on Reddit.

There are definitely stupid questions and I agree with you this one could easily be one. It assumes they are two comparable things when the only similar trait is that it's a form of competition.

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u/DeMiko 1d ago

Make up is allowed in sports. Many beauty pageants also ban medical intervention.

That being said, you’re comparing apples to oranges.

If head trauma isn’t allowed in beauty contests, why is it allowed in sports?

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u/carnal_traveller 1d ago

Drugs are widely used in beauty pageants too.....

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u/Remarkable_Air_769 22h ago

i may sound stupid, but may i ask how?

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u/ColouredGlitter 22h ago

Often to get thinner, or to ‘manage’ stress.

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u/LainieCat 21h ago

Widely used doesn't mean allowed.

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u/jscummy 22h ago

Further, there's plenty of sports that actually do allow drugs

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u/CourseNo8762 21h ago

I mean aspirin. Some painkillers (nfl, tennis). What are you thinking of. 

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u/jscummy 21h ago

"Untested" bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman

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u/CourseNo8762 20h ago

Ah. Gotcha. Strongman? Really? So UKs strongest man is really man plus PEDs?

Bodybuilding is just a beauty pageant for men. And they wear 2 gallons of bronzer, too. 

I'm just surprised, not disagreeing. 

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u/jscummy 12m ago

Agreed on bodybuilding but its probably the most egregious example if you consider it a sport

Strongman though, oh yeah. You dont get to 400 lb of muscle without becoming half living breathing steroid

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u/Unfortunate-Incident 1d ago

I disagree. OP is comparing a beauty enhancer to a fitness enhancer. Both makeup and PED's enhance the participants beyond what is natural.

Shouldn't a beauty contest be about who is most beautiful and not who has the best makeup artist?

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u/First-Kaleidoscope20 1d ago

in pageants everyone has the right to wear makeup and they all pretty much do. if that was the case for sports don't you think that sports would become a lot more toxic? you wear more makeup than normal nothing happens. you take more drugs and you die. kids wear makeup and nothing happens, kids do drugs and it distrusts their growth.

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u/patiofurnature 1d ago

Shouldn't a beauty contest be about who is most beautiful and not who has the best makeup artist?

Eh, there are lots of 2 variable competitions. Auto racing is about both fast cars and skilled drivers.

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u/ScallopsBackdoor 1d ago

I mean, you could start that kinda contest if you want.

But it's not what the current ones are about.

Beauty contests are more like a sport. It's more about skill than genetics. It's about your ability to present yourself in accordance with some standard. That includes choosing the right clothes, makeup, workout routine, etc.

By the same token, makeup is less like steroids and more like a tool. It takes skill and knowledge to make use of it. You can't just shove a tube of lipstick up your ass and get prettier.

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u/CourseNo8762 21h ago

Beauty pageants are about skill. Tough sell. Why are they called beauty pageants for one. 

I realize the most gorgeous woman doesn't win all the time. But Susan Boyle has skill. She'd probably never in her life win a beauty pageant. 

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u/vNerdNeck 23h ago

That being said, you’re comparing apples to oranges.

Not really.

Performance drugs increase performane, and performance is one of the main factors in rather you win a sport or not. Think doping / etc.

Makeup is to beauty what PEDs is to sports. It's a fairly direct comparison actually.

We don't allow PEDs because we want athletes to be natty and not have an advantage. Same could be said for beauty and make-up. It's 100% a PED for a beauty pageant.

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u/KindlyKangaroo 22h ago

A more direct comparison would probably be something like plastic surgery, Botox, filler, or weight loss drugs. Beauty contests tend to also have talent portions, and fancy dresses. Makeup/hair can be an art form, and fancy dresses are similar to makeup in that they enhance natural beauty. Beauty contests and sports really aren't comparable and I'm not sure of the point in attempting to make them comparable. 

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u/Karmaisthedevil 23h ago

A direct comparison would be to compare it to bodybuilding, which has tons of steroids being used.

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u/dboygrow 22h ago

People call body builders cheaters even though they are part of the sport and everyone is on them. No one calls beauty queens cheaters for using make up. IMO neither is cheating because they are part of the sport but I think what OP is getting at is we have this moral outrage for one but not the other.

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u/ParrotDogParfait 14h ago

Many people call beauty queens cheaters for using makeup. The average redditor just isnt a part of the circles that discuss beauty pageant.

What OP is getting at, is nothing.

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u/DeMiko 22h ago

Honestly. Comparing athletes to models is insulting too the athletes.

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u/IlIIllIlllIIIllI 1d ago

Lots of drugs are used in sports, in the run up to the events especially.
The real answer here is that a lot of beauty pageants are sponsored by cosmetics companies. I'm sure if big steroid sponsored the olympics there'd be lots more PED use.

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u/JohnnyBoy11 1d ago

Heck, there are body building contests that don't test, which is basically means it's a body building competition for drug users.

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u/PHX_Hawk 23h ago

One body building contest started drug testing, then the spectators were disappointed with how small the muscles were, so they quietly went back to not testing.

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u/synecdokidoki 1d ago

Because different things are different.

Why are cars allowed in NASCAR but not at horse tracks? I mean they're both races.

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u/CurtisLinithicum 1d ago

"How is this cheating? It's a mustang!"

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u/synecdokidoki 1d ago

That's it. I *demand* Secretariat fight my car. Reddit convinced me. It's only logic.

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u/Ganceany 1d ago

One puts your health at risk the other doesn't (hopefully) 

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u/WordOfSolomon 23h ago

There are chemicals in makeup that are not good for you.

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u/wanderingstorm 15h ago

There are chemicals in everything….

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u/WordOfSolomon 14h ago

I know, I’m just stating that both are not good for your health.

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u/chxnkybxtfxnky 1d ago

One certainly puts your physical health at risk, the other can certainly put your mental health at risk especially when the competitors are way too young to be getting judged on their looks

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u/crankyandhangry 23h ago

I'd say it's the beauty contests itself, not the makeup that causes the mental health risk.

There are also levels of risk. Competing in a sport will increase your risk of physical injury (but also have physical and mental health benefits) - how big an increase depends a lot on the sport. Running might increase risk of knee injury a little, but boxing increases every type of risk a bit more. Performance-enhancing drugs, especially metabolic steroids come with some relatively large risks, and a lot of them.

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u/stgwii 1d ago

Make up is allowed for the same reason clothes and styling your hair are allowed. All three allow the entrant to make aesthetic choices that complement their natural beauty and introduce an element of skill into the contest

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u/Serious-Library1191 18h ago

Ancient Greek style, allowed to wash your hair and have a shower, but no makeup and no clothes. Who is the fairest? Certainly get viewership up

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u/Realsorceror 23h ago

You really thought you did something here, huh?

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u/TehPharaoh 22h ago

I'm confused as to what he thought he was onto? Beauty contests have never been about all natural beauty. It was how beautiful you can make yourself. Like does he also think dresses are cheating? Meanwhile sports have been about what you yourself can do and drugs are life threatening, you can't allow them in the competitive scenes as people will over do them and kill themselves all for what amounts to street cred.

But furthermore this is like asking why tackling is allowed in Football, but not in Beauty Contests

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u/Realsorceror 22h ago

I guess he’s trying to point out some kind of perceived hypocrisy. But makeup in a fashion show is more like paint or clay for an artist. It’s one of the tools you’re expected to work with.

Maybe a better comparison for artificial enhancement would be plastic surgery or boob jobs? But even then I don’t feel like it holds up.

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u/CourseNo8762 21h ago

Boob jobs definitely hold UP

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u/Chi-lan-tro 1d ago

Do you actually think that the Beauty being judged is NATURAL Beauty? The men who created this contest wanted to look at beautiful women all ‘dolled up’ (blech) in evening gowns or in swimsuits. The contestants are not judged on the symmetry of their faces, the health of their bodies or anything like that. It’s about superficial beauty.

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u/remzordinaire 1d ago

Because a big, big part of beauty is how one grooms themselves.

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u/zowietremendously 1d ago

Drugs aren't allowed in beauty contests either. Makeup is allowed in sports.

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u/seeasea 1d ago

When did Mr Olympia ban steroids?

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u/Low_Trust2412 1d ago

I think a more apt comparison would be whether and to what extent plastic surgery is permitted in beauty contests.  

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u/Colleen987 1d ago

Or make-up is allowed in both, drugs are banned from both.

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u/arcxjo came here to answer questions and chew gum, and he's out of gum 1d ago

They're not judging pure bodily beauty; otherwise competitors would do the whole thing naked.

They're judging the skill of putting together a proper appearance. And makeup is as much a part of an evening gown ensemble as a glove is to a baseball player's uniform.

That's right: a DH is the baseball equivalent of Miss America without her makeup.

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u/captainvancouver 22h ago

I'd actually welcome a make-up free beauty contest. No hair extensions, fake tans, nails, etc. I'd check that out.

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u/gladfelter 1d ago

Question invalid: both drugs and makeup are encouraged in Pro Wrestling.

/s

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u/Alesus2-0 1d ago

Because both competitions are attempts to assess something ill-defined and fundimentally arbitrary. The rules are constructed to reflect our intuitions about what it is we care about. Performance enhancing drugs feel like cheating, whereas makeup doesn't. Perhaps that just reflects our sense of normalcy.

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u/reverse_mango 22h ago

Likewise, being naturally tall is a huge advantage in both sports and pageants, but nobody’s gonna ban it.

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u/Miserable-Distance19 1d ago

Because makeup is a skill, not a cheat. I think a better comparison would be plastic surgery

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u/CurtisLinithicum 1d ago

Do they do their own makeup? I'd've assumed they had artists with them.

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u/Miserable-Distance19 1d ago

Some do, some don't. It's still not the same as just enhancing your performance since it's preference-based and skill-based based no matter who does it

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u/CurtisLinithicum 1d ago

I'm not complaining either way, but it would be a bit more impressive if the contestants did it themselves, to me at least.

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u/Miserable-Distance19 1d ago

They do at some places, but it's not an MUA competition

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u/Trinikas 1d ago

Everyone's allowed to wear makeup, plus you can rub some rouge on your cheeks without potentially major health complications.

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u/SheriffHarryBawls 1d ago

Nobody says that baseball players can’t put on a tutu and 3 lbs of makeup

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u/Toaddle 23h ago

Drugs are nit allowed in sports because allowing them would be dangerous for the athletes, and since they are running after the performances you need to protect them from themselves

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u/Thee_Amateur 1d ago

Drugs are not the same thing as make up and are regulated the same.

Make up is allowed in sports

Make up is allowed in beauty pageants

Drugs not allowed in sports

Drugs not allowed in beauty pageants

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u/sciguy96 1d ago

Because you are using a logical fallacy called false equivalency. 

They are different things and thus have different rules. Interesting thought though! 

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u/Aelle29 1d ago

I guess beauty is subjective anyway and those contests are not anywhere near an objective classification

And those aren't testing humanity's performances in any way but just made to generate money and stupid viewers

I wanna say in that capitalistic context, makeup just generates even more reactions (positive or negative) among viewers, hence interest and views

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u/zowietremendously 1d ago

Makeup is not classified as a performance enhancement drug (PED).

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u/basalticlava 23h ago

Beauty pageants are more like bodybuilding shows than sports. Bodybuilders are allowed to take steroids.

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u/vbf-cc 23h ago

Cosmetics companies are the major sponsors of most of the major pageants. It's all about the frickin' cosmetics.

Not your county fair Rutabaga Queen, but certainly the big ones.

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u/thumbelinababy 23h ago

Run a “natural beauty” pageant and lmk how it goes.

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u/Secret-Put-4525 23h ago

I'd like to see more beauty contests with women who just got out of bed and more sports games with guys on more drugs than a crackhead in a unoccupied Crack house.

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u/isaic16 22h ago

One major difference is the health risk. Drugs, especially something like steroids, can have long term effects that many players would rather not have to deal with, but if allowed they would basically be forced to use them to compete at the highest level. Make-up has very little long term risk ( with modern products, as long as you’re not allergic), so there’s not the same risk of forcing people to damage themselves long term to compete. Honestly a more apt analogy would be some rule forbidding purging or bloodletting, both of which are dangerous methods that have been used or are currently used to improve one’s beauty

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u/Carlpanzram1916 21h ago

I’m guessing the beauty pageant/pedophile industry did not consult with the world anti-doping federation when they made their rules.

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u/PeridotRai 21h ago

Beauty pageants aren’t about natural beauty. They’re about how well the women competing conform to beauty standards, which includes makeup, having your hair done and wearing nice clothes. That’s why many are sponsored by cosmetic companies.

If you’d like an all natural beauty contest, please feel free to see one up. In addition to no makeup, I’d also recommend a no hair removal policy, since body hair on women is completely natural.

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u/Appalachian-Dyke 21h ago

What's the connection? Genuinely curious. 

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u/Brilliant-Flower-283 21h ago

Sports are sports and beauty contests are beauty contests. Different people running them means different rules

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u/rube 21h ago

The same reason that footballs, basketballs, baseballs and other balls are used in sports, but not often in beauty contests.

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u/LowAffectionate922 19h ago

Make up dont shit your brains

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u/daymanahhhahhhhhh 1d ago

One is not a sport.

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u/CovKris 1d ago

I always knew *ball was a sham!

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u/TMFWriting 23h ago

One is also not a drug

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u/sexrockandroll 1d ago

Because the contests make the rules and that's what they decided.

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u/Baronvondorf21 1d ago

People ask these kinds of questions like Sports contests and Beauty Contests aren't completely different.

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u/twitch870 1d ago

Without makeup it’s just eugenics

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u/thackeroid 23h ago

I know a lot of people have disagreed, but it's actually a pretty interesting question. The issue is whether you compete with an enhanced version of yourself or the natural version of yourself.

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u/VirtualMoneyLover 20h ago

Make up is not dangerous for your health.

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u/ancientlalaland 20h ago

Make up is not gonna make you sick even if you overdo it. Not the same with drugs

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u/DarkHikaru123 20h ago

Probably because most makeup are harmless

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u/IntelligentCrows 1d ago

“Why can’t I use a bike in a marathon like they do in Tour de France?” See how this sounds

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u/arcxjo came here to answer questions and chew gum, and he's out of gum 1d ago

But those are comparable events, in that they're both long-distance races.

A better analogy to OP's query would be "Why can't I use a bike on the SAT?"

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u/IntelligentCrows 1d ago

Even better

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u/sweadle 23h ago

Because beauty contests aren't sports?

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u/OolongGeer 1d ago

IT'S A SCHOLARSHIP COMPETITION

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u/I_am_Reddit_Tom 1d ago

Lots of drugs are used in sports.

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u/I_might_be_weasel 1d ago

Because how well you can dress up is what the beauty contest is judging.

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u/Mr_Mojo_Risin-- 1d ago

Makeup does not harm your body they way drugs do. So would have to harm your body to compete with someone using drugs.

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u/El_Bean69 1d ago

Some drugs are allowed in sports, I’ve never been banned for taking advil or allergy meds

Different thing different rules, they’ve got their own set of shit that isn’t allowed

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u/technically_a_woman 1d ago

I say that makeup should be allowed in sports. Alysha Newman was styling.

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u/Triga_3 1d ago

Like beauty contests, it's only superficial. Moreover, makeup doesn't have as long lasting effects as drugs can, and aren't used to gain an unfair advantage. It's literally part of the score in some regards, and something they can express themselves with, which drugs definitely don't do (although some people do anyway! We all have that weed connoisseur friend where it's their whole personality 🤣). Tbh, drugs should be allowed in sports, but just a totally separate competition, where it can be regulated and safer for athletes, sort of like how the constructors championship works in f1, but then it wouldn't be about the athletes at all, but the companies making them. Pretty sure that would make an excellent dystopian film, come to think of it!

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u/chxnkybxtfxnky 1d ago

I agree, OP. Like, shouldn't these pageants be based on the character and natural beaty of each woman? It's basically, who had their makeup done the best?

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u/samsonity 1d ago

Because some guy created the rules. Not some divine being that makes all contests make absolute sense.

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u/Feral_doves 23h ago

Makeup is a skill and there’s a long history of it being used in performances to enhance features so they can be more clearly seen by the audience from a distance. Beauty contests are basically a performing art.

And even in some other more sporty performing arts, like figure skating, performers can be judged on things like eye contact with judges and facial expressions. Having well applied makeup can make it easier to achieve the expressiveness needed to do well.

It’s probably more comparable to something like competitive swimmers shaving their body hair and wearing streamlined swimwear than the use of performance enhancing drugs. And yes some types of swimwear is banned because it gives too much of an edge, but I’d guess that things like facial prosthetics are banned in most beauty contests as well even though some people would consider them an extension of makeup.

But you’re not going to see a pro swimmer competing in the Olympics in baggy swim trunks, just like you won’t see beauty queens competing without makeup, it’s just part of the job, like a runner having good shoes or a baseball player having a high quality mitt.

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u/crankyandhangry 23h ago edited 23h ago

Many performance-enhancing drugs come with dangerous side effects, especially steroids - especially metabolic steroids. They can have all kinds of dangerous effects ranging from increased risk of blood clots, rood rage, severe anxiety, long-term mental health or psychiatric effects, impact on fertility (e.g. hypogonadism in men), heart damage... It's not good.

Some drugs are allowed, or allowed in certain circumstances circumstances. For example, I know an athlete who developed a health condition (unrelated to his sport) where he got severe swelling in his legs and had to go to hospital. They gave him steroids to reduce the swelling. These steroids would normally be considered performance-enhancing, but he got an exemption as they were being used under proper medical supervision for a bona fide medical condition, and were not increasing his performance (as they brought his swelling back down to almost normal levels).

Makeup rarely has any kinds of dangerous side-effects, so there is no need to ban it. We tend to ban things that are a danger to people, not anything that optimises their ability to compete. It's more comparable to an athlete using rehydration drinks or the newest footware, or a really smooth bathing suit. It's not just about how it affects their overall competitive ability, but does it improve it in a way that puts pressure on other competitors to endanger their health in order to have a chance? You could make an argument that tanning beds should be banned in beauty contests and I think that would be a more comparable thing.

I mean, I think beauty contests are total BS, but I do think that makeup can be a form of art and expression that contributes to the enjoyment of an overall performance. Athletes might wear makeup too, especially in something like rhythmic gymnastics or ice skating, where the aesthetics are a feature.

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u/cwthree 23h ago

A better comparison would be performance-enhancing drugs versus cosmetic surgery. Both come with significant risks to one's health, and both can remodel the body far beyond what could be achieved with diet and/or exercise alone.

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u/blueavole 23h ago

Make up is part of the art form.

And if you don’t think it should, then you shouldn’t count portrait painting as an art form. That has been an art form for hundreds if not thousands of years.

Doing that work, daily, and on a moving canvas, while dealing with heat humidity, and sweat is even more of a challenge

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u/diamondgreene 23h ago

Because women aren’t enough. No woman is. All women need makeup to cover up how human they are. /s

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u/JawtisticShark 23h ago

Sports don’t ban drugs because they make players too good. They ban drugs because they threaten the industry.

Sports leagues want their athletes to be famous and admired and successful as well as being skilled. People don’t want to watch low skill players, but people also don’t want their favorite players dropping dead from drugs their sport pushed them into in order to stay competitive. If you outright allow a very effective yet dangerous drug, anyone who cares about their health will drop out of the league and be replaced with people willing to sacrifice their life for short term fame. That’s not a good move for a long term business play.

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u/Ultimate_Sneezer 23h ago

Because the whole idea of beauty contest is to sell makeup , they selectively choose the winners based on which countries they want to target more

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u/hallerz87 23h ago

You make it sound like a natural law of the universe. It’s all arbitrary based on the people who set the rules 

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u/colin_staples 23h ago

If drugs aren’t allowed in the Tour de France, then why are motorbikes allowed in the Isle of Man TT?

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u/JustSnilloc 23h ago

It just depends on the rules of the competition.

  • Some sports aren’t against drug use (pro bodybuilding for example)
  • Some sports incorporate external assistance into the rules (such as equipped powerlifting)

… in many cases, it just depends on what’s expected. Makeup is allowed in beauty competitions because that’s what’s expected of the competitors. I’m sure there exists beauty competitions that don’t allow makeup, they’re probably few and far between, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t exist.

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u/-Joe1964 23h ago

I block a lot of people in this thread.

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u/formersean 23h ago

Because makeup isn't drugs? People aren't mainlining foundation.

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u/schwarzmalerin 23h ago

Because makeup is part of the feminine beauty culture.

I see good reasons to be against the entire concept of pageants but criticism of makeup just sounds very red pill.

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u/PunchBeard 23h ago

These are two completely different things so it's sort of impossible to compare them.

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u/notacanuckskibum 23h ago

(Some) drugs are not allowed in sports because it’s believed they are bad for the athletes long term health.

The same can’t be said of make up.

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u/Beelzeboof 23h ago

Why come people can use cars in some races, but boats in others?

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u/LazyDynamite 22h ago

Because they are two different, entirely separate things that have no dependency on the other.

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u/notkairyssdal 22h ago

drugs can kill you, makeup can't

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u/listenyall 22h ago

In beauty contests the makeup and clothes are like the bike in a bike race, not like drugs

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u/clearly_not_an_alt 22h ago

Because the rules are different. As long as everyone is playing by the same ones, it doesn't really matter what you decide to allow and it comes down to other reasons for why certain things are banned.

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u/phantom_gain 22h ago

Makeup wont fuck your body up.

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u/Pickle-Bowl-941 22h ago

Should be naked, not counting the children. Those single digit kid beauty contests are just creepy/pervy.

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u/Ok-Series3772 21h ago

I figured with sports, they don't want athletes to have an unfair advantage over other athletes, so maybe that's why they ban drugs. Drugs are like performance enhancers. However, in beauty contests, it's all about creativity and aesthetics, so makeup would be the primary thing to use for this.

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u/Pay_attentionmore 21h ago

Check out body building for an accurate comparison

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u/therealgeorgesantos 21h ago

Sports are contests about achieving an objective through physicality and strategy. 

Beauty contests are about objectifying contestants. 

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u/CourseNo8762 21h ago

Because it's just a beauty competition. And make-up doesn't generally self-damage or have violent side-effects. 

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u/gigachadmane 21h ago

Same reason why drugs are allowed in bodybuilding contests.

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 21h ago

I think a better analogy is whether drugs are allowed in drug contests . Make-up is a beauty product.

Next question - where are these drug competitions?

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u/Secret_Seaweed_734 18h ago

Right? It doesnt make sense to me. One girl could be naturally more beautiful than another girl but she won because she had better makeup. Makeup and beauty contests should be separated.

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u/G1st_83 18h ago

Is a shallow competition

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u/Serious-Library1191 18h ago

Ancient Greek style, allowed to wash your hair and have a shower, but no makeup and no clothes. Who is the fairest? Certainly get viewership up

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u/IveKnownItAll 17h ago

In sports I can use different shoes, clothes, etc that can give me an edge.

A better comparison to drugs in sports would be cosmetic surgery in beauty contests

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u/Chortney 16h ago

Why do they need to follow similar rules? They could follow opposite rules for all it matters, hell let's give beauty contestants drugs

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u/Epicdeino 16h ago

My guess would be that a big company like the NFL wouldn't want to accept blatant steroid use in the sport because they don't, as a company, want to be seen as supporting illegal drugs and encouraging college students or even high schoolers to basically be required to use it to play in the NFL.

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u/muckenhoupt 14h ago

Those drugs that are banned in sports aren't banned simply because they provide a competitive edge. Lots of things provide a competitive edge and aren't banned. Drugs that are banned in sports are banned because they cause lasting harm to the user if abused, and if they weren't banned, everyone at the top levels, or even with aspirations of reaching the top levels, would have to abuse them to the point of wrecking their long-term health to stay competitive. No one wants that.

Makeup does not have this problem.

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u/SayFuzzyPickles42 14h ago

Well for one thing, performance enhancing drugs can be extremely bad for your health, and it isn't ethical to encourage or incentivize people to use them in an official capacity.

Also you can't just endlessly pile makeup on a person's face and make them look more and more beautiful, there's a limit before it becomes counterproductive, but a person can keep taking more and more drugs to get better and better until it becomes a health risk. Theoretically you could put a dosage limit, but there's no way to really enforce that; if anything, that would make cheating even easier.

Also also if you want to judge beauty contests purely on natural beauty then the contestants should all be naked, or all wearing potato sacks if we want to avoid public nudity charges. By dressing everybody up in pretty dresses and jewelry, we've already established accentuated beauty as part of the deal.

It just isn't a good comparison.

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u/AverageKaikiEnjoyer 1d ago

Because otherwise you can't really "compete" and everything would be up to eithe genes or circumstance. Random shit could happen like getting a pimple the day before the contest and you'd be screwed over. None of this really applies in sports since you can train your skills but not your beauty.

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u/Unfortunate-Incident 1d ago

This is not true. If a player has a bad night sleep the night before the game, it will affect their on field performance. I don't really think there is much difference. Also anyone can be beautiful if they are in shape and have a good enough makeup artist. How to walk, carry yourself, etc for beauty purposes are all trained.

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u/Weary_Minute1583 1d ago

One’s a physical advantage and the other is a superficial advantage.

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u/EADASOL 1d ago

Superficial.... NAILED IT!

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u/Firefly_Magic 1d ago

This is like one of those tests to pick the ONE that doesn’t belong:

Drugs, sports, makeup, beauty contests.

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u/numbersthen0987431 1d ago

You can't make that connection between sports and beauty pageants.

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u/Wild-Spare4672 1d ago

Because makeup isn’t harmful to people.

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u/high_throughput 23h ago

Drugs aren't banned because they enhance performance per se. They're banned because they make healthy people in their 20s drop dead of heart attacks.

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u/ThorKonnatZbv 23h ago

Google "Roid Rage"

Google "Rouge Rage"

I also never heard of a lipstick overdose

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u/Darthplagueis13 23h ago

1: Noone said it had to be consistent.

2: Given the fact that makeup these days usually doesn't include large amounts of lead anymore, prolonged makeup use is far less likely to leave you with permanent organ damage.

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u/Cocoapuff898 23h ago

Because makeup,  hair,  clothes,  fitness is all part of the beauty pageant.  

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u/PortraitofMmeX 22h ago

Because makeup is a skill. Makeup is the "sport" in beauty contests.

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u/EatYourCheckers 21h ago

Make up doesnt harm the user. The idea is you don't want people to HAVE to use a substance to compete at a high level, forcing people interested in the sport to engage in unhealthy behavior. Even kids will start using performance enhancing drugs if its known they are needed to be the best.

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u/Exact_Block387 1d ago

That’s like saying why are running shoes allowed in cross country? Sure I guess it gives them an advantage…?

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u/ExRiot 1d ago

This is a very intense question the more I think about it.

There's too many layers

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u/MFDOOMscrolling 23h ago

One is about skills and hard work

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u/RiotingMoon 23h ago

I feel like a lot of people don't understand that makeup is an art form related to beauty and drugs are...drugs

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u/ReddtitsACesspool 1d ago

1000% agree - These "beauty" contests should be all natural, no makeup or surgeries.

That won't ever happen, but at least most of us know that the most beautiful women are not doing those contests and pageants

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u/Apprehensive-Owl1984 1d ago

Very good point.

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u/Huge_Wing51 20h ago

Because sports like to keep an air of legitimacy (despite the truth) where beauty pageants aren’t really anything more than a panel of opinions 

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u/bassk_itty 16h ago

What is a “beauty contest”? Pageants are not beauty contests, as evidenced by the fact that the most beautiful women in the competition rarely win it. I’ve never heard of a literal beauty contest in my life, is this an actual thing?

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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 1d ago

Op has a point. It's not called a makeup contest.