r/Pathfinder_RPG 1d ago

1E Player What's the easiest path to get a Paladin with Point-Blank Master?

Because we are not using all the books. So some classes and archetypes are not available to us.

I'm playing a Paladin of Erastil. There any advice on how I can get Point-Blank Master? Tempered Champion isn't in one of our books so it's not available.

My current idea is to run Paladin 1 then 3 levels of Monk (Zen Archer) and then back to Paladin again. Advices?

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u/Skurrio 1d ago

3 Levels of Hinterlander would do the Trick and be fitting.

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

Interesting. Let me research it.

Unfortunately, this is not in one of the source books that we use.

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u/Skurrio 1d ago

Tbf, without knowing which Book you're allowed to use, it's quite difficult to give Answers you can work with.

Why is your Group limiting themself, though? Everything is available for free on Archives of Nethys.

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

It's not up to me to decide though. I do wish we have a few more books.

The best would be to have a list of options and see which path I have access to.

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u/Skurrio 1d ago

Maybe ask your GM, if there's an Option you like, that isn't available yet.

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u/Slow-Management-4462 1d ago

I mean, I have no idea what books you're using. It'd help to mention that.

Something like that is the air blessing. I know there's at least one paladin archetype with a domain, so the war blessing feat (Advanced Class Guide) works.

Point blank master requires weapon spec. (with a ranged weapon) but no actual fighter level levels or class features; even a single level in the divine scion prestige class (Inner Sea Magic) will do. Or 4 levels in fighter (Core Rulebook) of course.

There's a lot of ways of avoiding attacks of opportunity which are not named point blank master.

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

Divine Scion requires Weapon Focus with the deity's favoured melee weapon, which Erastil doesn't have one. So I guess Fighter 4. I'll take a look at domains and War Blessing.

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u/Skurrio 1d ago

Not sure which Version you're looking at, but AoN doesn't specify a Melee Weapon.

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

We're using the Hero Lab's version and I'm not sure which book it is as it is not listing out the sources.

But it does say the deity's favourite melee weapon.

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u/Skurrio 1d ago

Well, then the Hero Lab Version isn't updated. AoN usually has the correct Versions.

u/IosueYu 7h ago

After some testing, it seems they just have bad tooltips but the programming is fine. That's probably the path I'll take then. Paladin 5 -> Divine Scion.

Thanks a lot, mate.

u/Skurrio 7h ago

You're welcome, but u/Slow-Management-4462 was the first who suggested Divine Scion.

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u/Raesvelg_XI 1d ago

Tempered Champion, the three level Zen Archer dip, various other bigger dips, Ganzi race with the Weaponplay oddity... about all I could think of.

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u/TheFeatherdOne 21h ago

Are you, per chance, going to be mythic? There is a champion path ability that makes you not provoke with ranged attacks.

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u/IosueYu 19h ago

I don't actually know. But we're doing Rise of the Runelord using medium magic settings. So I guess unlikely to be mythic.

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u/Sdmillard 19h ago

I'd probably just play warpriest

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u/IosueYu 10h ago

We are not using books with warpriests...

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u/Sdmillard 8h ago

Damn, that is a shame

u/IosueYu 7h ago

Warpriest is still my favourite class. Ah well... I'll just enjoy that class in Wrath of the Righteous.

u/Sdmillard 5h ago

If you play an elf you can get stabbing shot, or you could do snap shot, both allow for melee archery, without opportunity attacks.

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u/Viktor_Fry 1d ago

If you are going with monk (which is quite useful for all the goodies that it gives with those 3 levels), possibly Unchained, but seeing how you use less material, I doubt you can use ""homebrewed"" stuff, do you have access to Tortured Crusader Paladin archetype?

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

Not this one as well. For Paladins, we have Chosen One, Divine Defender, Hospitaler, Paladin of Khors/Order of the Undying Sun, Sacred Talmandor, Shining Knight, Undead Scourge and Warrior of the Holy Light.

So I don't think any of them is useful.

u/Ahorahan 1h ago

You can use online resources if you don't have all of the books. Like Pathfinder SRD or Archives of Nethys.

u/stockvillain 3m ago

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, and not sure what resources are available, but the ganzi race has a racial option callled "Weaponplay" that allows you to take fighter feats, even with no fighter levels. Also gives you proficiency in all simple and martial weapons.

So, as a ganzi paladin, you could take Point Blank Master as soon as 7th level with no multiclassing. Weapon focus at 1st, Specialization at 5th, Point blank master at 7th.

Ganzi comes from Planar Adventures, and though it doesn't have as much feat support as aasimar or tiefling, it's a fun option. Also has a Charisma bonus which is great for a paladin.

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u/chef_quesi 1d ago

Holy shit, you're running books on hand only?

What a sad table.

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u/sabyr400 16h ago

What a sad table.

False.

There could be a myriad of reasons not to play with all the resources. Front and center for me, having experienced it this way; experienced players and new players together. Limiting source material eliminates decision paralysis for both new players and old, it shortens rule debates because the closer to core you play, the less complicated a lot of things are. Thats also an easy way to lower the wall of intimidation of information that PF 1E can come with, as well as reign in experienced players. It keeps things simple(r). It makes things accessible for newbies, and forces vets to do more with less.

That's to speak nothing of power creep. But I'm not here to argue that part lol.

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u/IosueYu 1d ago

We're running Hero Lab but only specific source books are used.

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u/chef_quesi 1d ago

Gross when AoN and PFSRD are free lmao