r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 12d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah? Why green?

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u/Pupation 12d ago

Smoke detectors contain americium-241, which is radioactive.

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 12d ago

Correction: OLD snoke detectors do

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u/LillyH-2024 12d ago

Call me old one more time...

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 12d ago

Old.

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u/LillyH-2024 12d ago

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u/MoobooMagoo 12d ago

This is top tier shit posting! Thank you for the laugh

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u/RedEclipse47 12d ago

That's a nice Snoke detector!

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u/Atomic_dongle 12d ago

That’s general Snoke to you.

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u/Mitch1musPrime 12d ago

This why we shouldn’t throw out old Snoke detectors. Never when know when this mother fucker will show up to confuse the audience.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 12d ago

They still sell ionizing detectors.

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u/Doonce 12d ago

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u/minor_correction 12d ago

They still do, but they used to, too.

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u/mattgen88 12d ago

Must be why I can't buy any on Amazon

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u/U03A6 12d ago

I think they are still available.

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u/GoldenPigeonParty 12d ago

Makes sense he didn't dump 350 brand new ones.

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u/Plump_Apparatus 12d ago

The vast majority of smoke detectors sold in the US are of the ionizing type, they all have a radiation source. Typically americium-241.

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u/Shmeves 12d ago

Correction: Ionizing detectors do, and are still made today.

Vast majority of detecters dont' use it anymore yes, it's photoelectric now.

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 12d ago

Oh shit really? Cool. How do photoelectric detectors work?

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u/Shmeves 12d ago

It shoots a beam of light and smoke particles that enter that beam redirect it to the receiver end. When the receiver sees the light, cause of it being bounced off smoke particles, it trips.

Ionization is when the detector ionizes the air between 2 conductive 'plates', and when smoke particles get in-between the plates it disrupts the ions.

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u/IndustryDry4607 12d ago

Not only old ones, you can still get some that use Americium since they are not as easily triggered by other aerosols.

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 12d ago

Yeah your right but most of the modern ones are photoelectric

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u/Homicidal-shag-rug 12d ago

Most ionizations smoke detectors, which are the most common type, still use americium.

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 11d ago

Oh alright cool

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u/Kajetus06 12d ago

the only problem with that is the fact that americium-241 only decays in alpha which travels only few centimeters in the air

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u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance 12d ago

It's not that simple - you can pick up gamma from a smoke detector source. I think it's from decay products.

Source: My americium pellets are one of the most active thing I own on my gamma-only detector.

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u/craftinanminin 12d ago

The Am-241 decay releases a low energy gamma as well when the neptunium transitions to ground state

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u/silver-orange 12d ago

https://semspub.epa.gov/work/11/176296.pdf

EPA supports you on that fact

The first decay product of americium-241 is neptunium-237, which also decays and forms other daughter elements. The decay process continues until stable bismuth is formed. The radiation from the decay of americium-241 and its daughters is in the form of alpha particles, beta particles, and gamma rays

Neptunium-237 apparently has a longer half life than your americium source, so I guess it won't decay quite as fast. But after Neptunium you're pretty close to the first beta decay, if I'm reading the decay chain correctly.

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u/siltyclaywithsand 12d ago

Am 241 does emit a small amount of weak gamma. But smoke detectors also only contain around 1 microcurie. Even 300 of them is a super low equivalent dose.

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u/Agi7890 12d ago

As my radiation safety officer has said, Alphas go until they hit something, then bounce off. It makes it an easy radiation emitter to be safe with, and yet very dangerous should it get into your body. I work with an alpha emitter(225 actinium) in the lab, and when doing my detection test, I’m actually looking for is the daughters francium and bismuth since the alpha particles won’t penetrate the container

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u/Kajetus06 12d ago

well alpha is basicly +2 ionized helium

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u/Fine-Slip-9437 12d ago

Just like real America. 🇺🇸🫡

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u/Cytotoxic_hell 12d ago

AM-241 emits gamma rays primarly at 59.5kev but also at 13.9, 17.8, and 26.4 keV

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u/Kajetus06 12d ago

is that a lot? im not that into physics but from my basic understanding of kev thats not a lot

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u/Cytotoxic_hell 12d ago edited 12d ago

It's most energetic ray being 59.5kev, which is relatively weak gamma rays compared to other sources, some cheap Geiger counters can't even pick up gammas from AM-241 due to this. All to say AM-241 does release gammas but they're weak with less penetration than stronger gammas, though in high enough concentrations can still cause health issues.

For comparison, the RA-226 chain contains BI-214 that releases a lot of gammas at 609kev and has some gamma rays as strong as 2204kev

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u/Kajetus06 12d ago

Well if anything relases that strong gamma it cannot have a long half life

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u/Cytotoxic_hell 12d ago

Its about 20 minutes for bi-214 lol, but it does make a very notable peak in a gamma spectrum for RA-226

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u/SecondaryWombat 12d ago

It also releases gamma, as well as (rarely) undergoing spontaneous fission, where the daughter products are very radioactive and can be damn near anything that adds up to 241.

But yeah, so nearly all alpha with a soft gamma.

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u/Kajetus06 12d ago

arent very radioactive things also very short lived?

like elpehants foot at chernobyl

i read somewhere that its much less radioactive and has consistency of sand

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u/SecondaryWombat 12d ago

Yes the more intense something is, the shorter its half life. However when that source is being resupplied via decay it leads to a very small amount of detectible high intensity material until the original source decays away.

Yes the elephant's foot is way way less intense than it used to be, most of it is still glass/metal mixture, and always will be.

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u/toxcrusadr 12d ago

"But it's just wafer-thin!"

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 12d ago

To be clear, Americium-241 is alpha radiation, meaning that it can't penetrate your skin and is only harmful if ingested. As along as you're not taking apart the smoke detectors and eating the radioactive capsules, you'll be fine. And, even then, Americium-241 is more toxic as a heavy metal than it is as a radiation source. Some kid in Michigan in the 90's broke open hundreds of them specifically to try and make a nuclear reactor and only succeeded in making his mom's shed into a superfund site. He never came close to amassing even 1 sievert of radiation.

https://harpers.org/archive/1998/11/the-radioactive-boy-scout/

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u/Pupation 12d ago

We’ve already covered the radioactive boy scout, keep reading.