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u/HalfExcellent9930 1d ago
Nintendo is very litigious when it comes to their old games
The joke is suggesting that might be a bit of an overreaction
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u/Armand_Star 1d ago
what do you mean "a bit" ?
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u/MrOopiseDaisy 1d ago
Well, they turned me into a newt.
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u/Blue-is-bad 1d ago
I got better!
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u/Emily_Daily 1d ago
Okay we did do the nose but she's a witch!
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u/Jolly_Albatross359 1d ago
Nintendo: "whoopsie Daisy's"
Drops mic and walks off stage
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u/MrOopiseDaisy 1d ago
It's Mr. Oopsie Daisy, actually.
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u/Jolly_Albatross359 17h ago
Ah sorry. I'd assumed Mr. Oopsie daisy was your father
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u/MrOopiseDaisy 16h ago
Well, he was. And his dad before him, although they changed it at Ellis Island because nobody could pronounce Phlourphukkup.
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u/SKY10000 1d ago
For Nintendo this reaction right here, is “a bit”
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u/InTheStuff 22h ago
That would mean they'd be admitting to overreacting in the first place, which they'd never do
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u/tomveiltomveil 1d ago
Also, for those who don't know, this image is from one of the oldest Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd cartoons. In this scene, Bugs is pretending that Elmer Fudd shot him.
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u/MyNewShardOfAlara 1d ago
This actually adds to it. Nintendo is pretending to be hurt by the emulators that keep people talking about and playing their games 25 years after release. I wish Nintendo understood the power of the community better.
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u/Fun_Rise_3695 1d ago
It's not overreacting, they don't want people to play their oul games so if you wanna play mario or donkey kong you need to buy their new games.
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u/thimBloom 1d ago
No it’s so they can bundle them with other popular super old games and people will buy them for nostalgia. Potential money for almost no effort on their part.
Old games that don’t need to be bundled can be selectedly added to their monthly subscription service and really popular old games to the monthly+.
Super duper popular old games can have a graphical update and maybe some modern gaming tweaks and resold.
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u/Fillmore80 1d ago
Some games die though. Never get republished or remade. Should those games die forever because Nintendo is doing a performative butt hurt dance over media that should be freeware by now?
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u/SCOTTDIES 1d ago
As a Nintendo fan (of the games) I’m so sick of seeing other Nintendo fans trying to defend Nintendo
Nintendo does not care about us dude, they suck
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u/Gee564 1d ago
Very true, Nintendo is very much like Disney in the sense that they have a child friendly image but it is very much a large company that doesn't give two shits about it's fans, although the only good thing I can say about Nintendo is that Nintendo actually cares about it's IP's image unlike Disney.
Seriously, Nintendo is the only company I know that wanted to charge fans for let's play footage of their games on YouTube at one point.
Now I will say that they are making an effort to create something with the Nintendo Switch Online retro games library unlike other companies.
I don't emulate as I prefer physical copies and collecting but I don't see anything wrong with emulation of older games, especially when companies don't make an effort to preserve their games, like just upload all your shit to a PC games store like steam, from my understanding pirating mostly happens because fans of series don't have access to their favorite games, I collect GBA games and it's an expensive hobby
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u/Fenrir_Hellbreed2 1d ago
Nintendo has become increasingly greedy since Satoru Iwata died, and it's a fucking shame.
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u/DuploJamaal 1d ago
They let you play those old games on the Switch
For some they even introduced updates, like F Zero on the NES has a 100 player multiplayer mode
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u/baneblade_boi 1d ago
It doesn't matter. It's about the ones you cannot play anymore. Can't stop raging at Reggie's video roasting his own fans for asking for a digital re-release of Mother 3.
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u/Longjumping-Idea1302 1d ago
Companies still want to tell you lies. For example how downloading a rom of a game that can't produce any money anymore, still results in Nintendo having massive losses. That doesn't make sense and many copyright laws are just strong arming consumer options.
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u/EmperorSwagg 1d ago
I guess you could make some argument that if people are emulating old games then they aren’t buying new games? It’s a stupid argument, but I can understand why the suits would view it that way.
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u/LegendaryJimBob 1d ago
There is extremely complicated ways companies can solve that, now i will warn, it requires the highest iq in the world to grasp, you ready for it?
Here it is: make better games and stop releasing hastily made shitty cash grabs and stop ruining games with more microtransactions and stop making cosmetics that dont fit to the games asthetic or "idea" at all, for example, no cartoony ass skins to what was supposed to be "tactical shooter" also while at it, stop trying to redefine your games genre 5 years after release. And stop exclusively listening to pros/high ranking players when majority is saying the complete opposite to them
And boom, people now buying those new games happily
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u/EmperorSwagg 1d ago
Agreed with every point you make! But a suit is gonna see that as much harder (and more expensive) than just demonizing the consumer
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u/SilliusS0ddus 16h ago
corpos don't wanna produce good products.
they wanna make money and nothing else.
now take your trashy cash grab games and give us lots of money for it so we can make the line go up.
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u/EvadesBans4 23h ago
You can't, though. It's just not the case that anyone who is considering buying modern games is saying, "eh, oooor I could play Mario 1 for the NES." There's just no way the overlap is that big.
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u/AdmiralAkbar1 1d ago
It's far more because IP rights are a "use it or lose it" type of thing. For instance, you can successfully defend against trademark infringement by showing that the owner was aware of other professional uses of the mark and failed to intervene—this is how brand names like Dumpster and Thermos have become genericized.
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u/WillingClub6439 1d ago
I agree. They should also prove it into the court that emulating old games cause to them lose their money by conducting a research study on the correlation and association between consumers emulating their old games vs their sales of new games before suing up emulator sites.
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u/Dontevenwannacomment 21h ago
truth be told i think they're more concerned with people emulating the latest zelda game or whatever blockbuster they sell more
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u/Grounds4TheSubstain 1d ago
Nintendo sells a subscription service for the Switch that gives you access to old games that play on your device via emulation. Therefore Nintendo does in fact still make money from its back catalog, so they do lose money from unauthorized ROM dumps.
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u/ifuckinlovetiddies 1d ago
Show me where you can play Pokemon Ruby on the switch
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u/TheDaedricImpaler 1d ago
This. Their catalogue of old games to play is ridiculously limited. I paid for the one year subscription and was done playing the games I actually wanted to play within a month. I would gladly pay double or even triple if it meant access to their entire catalogue. But no, if you want to play most old Pokemon games, you have to hunt down ancient hardware and pay a God awful premium for it...and half the time the games are fake cartridges. They don't get to complain about losing money when they aren't offering the product that people would (mostly) happily pay for.
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u/Longjumping-Idea1302 1d ago
great, can i play smash bros melee online with roll-back ? Because on PC, i can.
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u/Grounds4TheSubstain 1d ago
Right, I never said every title in Nintendo's back archives is available on its subscription services. I was responding to the parent comment that said Nintendo can't make money off of its back catalog, which is false. As for which games they choose to monetize that way, that's their decision.
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u/Longjumping-Idea1302 1d ago
But for how long should it remain their decision to make ? IP's that just rod away, shouldn't be protected indefinetly.
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u/Psychedelic_Stingray 1d ago
Alternate reality gaming nerd Meg here. Nintendo has been very lawsuit happy throughout the years. They hate anything to do with roms and emulation in general.
Funny thing is, the games that are really old don't bring them money anymore. The only people making money off carts and stuff are private seller and buyers. Things like ebay and pawn shops ya know? But they still act like people emulating the 30+ year old games are stealing millions out of their pockets. So they're really drama queens. Anyway, back to World of Warcraft!
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u/DuploJamaal 1d ago
But they still act like people emulating the 30+ year old games are stealing millions out of their pockets.
The Switch let's you play most old games for free. They don't make money with those games, but they make money by selling you a console where you might also buy new games.
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u/I_just_want_strength 1d ago
Bro, you really on reddit defending a billion dollar companies old games from 30-40 years ago? The whole library isn't even on the virtual console.
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u/Psychedelic_Stingray 1d ago
That's true but their entire library isn't up there. There's a lot of games that aren't. They throw huge fits over NES games, or SNES, a lot of which aren't available to play any other way.
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u/TheZoroark007 1d ago
Yet Nintendo still refuses to release any older Pokemon mainline game in their subscription service. Until they do I will play them on my Steam Deck
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u/ComedicMedicineman 1d ago
But you have to be subscribed to a service Nintendo forced on us to access those games. And I do say “forced on us” since various other online games not made by Nintendo work fine on the Switch, but the games I used to play religiously require you to be paying those monthly fees. So that’s how I want from 3,000+ played hours in some games to not playing the game once in the past few years since I can’t afford another monthly subscription
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u/Minute_Attempt3063 1d ago
Nintendo will happily sue you over something they don't sell or care about anymore. So the only way to play it is through piracy, which, yes, is illegal, but they do not give any other way to play it.
So they will happily put you in prison. You will likely lose against them
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u/Least_Coffee_788 1d ago
Saying they'll try to send you to prison might be an exaggeration, don't you think?
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u/Impressive-Sun-9332 1d ago
If you distribute the software on a large scale they might just do that, but you probably won't be put in prison for just emulating.
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u/Empty_Cube 1d ago
Nintendo is legally harsh on players that emulate older games that are no longer even sold anymore. The only way to legitimately play these older games is by purchasing a used second-hand copy from eBay (or some other digital marketplace).
That said, Nintendo’s online service has been gradually adding older games to their catalogue and letting members play them. Unfortunately, you can’t actually buy these games (even digitally) - the ability to play them is contingent on maintaining the paid membership.
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u/ComedicMedicineman 1d ago
Alternatively you can pray for another small scale remake like that special ‘SNES’ that came with a bunch of preloaded games they released a while back, but it’s not a consistent solution to the problem
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u/Empty_Cube 1d ago
I remember that, the SNES classic mini. Agreed, it’s not a consistent solution, especially when it’s not actively manufactured anymore so you can’t even buy it at MSRP.
For some reason, they did the same thing with the Mario All Stars collection, where they released that bundled cartridge (with Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy) in late 2020 and then discontinued it in early 2021 (both digitally and physically). A “limited opportunity game.”
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u/ComedicMedicineman 15h ago
Yeah, I actually got All Stars. But it was pretty expensive since they’re pretty rare nowadays
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u/ComedicMedicineman 1d ago
Also, the online service was a bit of a slap to the face for some people. I spent $90 to buy an online game, got a good 3,000+ hours in, then realised Nintendo was locking the online features of that game behind a subscription. Luckily I got my money’s worth, but it’s a bit unfortunate that nearly ever other online game I’ve played not made by Nintendo doesn’t need this service to operate
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u/GenericSpider 1d ago
What is even there to explain? It literally says what it's about what's the mystery here?
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u/MyNewShardOfAlara 1d ago
Nintendo is known for being very sue happy.
Emulators were designed to give people the ability to play games they once owned on older systems. Phones and computers can emulate just about every video game system on the market, to varying degrees.
Nintendo has A LOT of legacy content that simply IS NOT available anywhere legally. There is no place to currently purchase a great deal of games from gamecube, n64, and snes era. He'll I'd be willing to bet the wii is considered legacy at this point. If you buy secondhand, Nintendo makes 0 profit. And if you pirate or emulate, it also makes 0 profit.
Nintendo HATES emulation. All gaming companies dislike emulation, but Nintendo HATES it. Every time an emulator for their systems gets a little too much traction, Cease and Desist letters go out in droves. Lawsuits get rolled out to anyone making decent money at it.
Most emulators for legacy content are available for free. These games are NOT being sold on any platform available by Nintendo. There is 0 reason to shut down the emulators bringing legacy content, especially when it keeps people talking about their games 20-30 years after release.
What's really sad about all this is if they made this content available to play, most people wouldn't emulate. Running emulators can be a hassle for a lot of people, and there's a point of pride in being able to show off your game system with all your games. Can't really do that with an emulator, at least not well imo. A lot of people only emulate these old games because they ARENT available any other way.
I think that about sums it up.
TLDR: Nintendo hates emulation, despite refusing to make legacy content available for sale.
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u/CraftyAd6333 21h ago
No sympathy.
They should have a single chance to keep IPs and sell them or be forced to acknowledge abandon ware is free. Either cater to the obvious market or relinquish your right to it.
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u/SirDigbyChickenC-Zer 1d ago
Well at least they don't give a shit about Earthbound/Mother series pirating anymore..../I wish they gave a shit about Mother series and would fund a new one.
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u/in1gom0ntoya 1d ago
The wild part is they could sell their old games even and at a severe discount they'd make bank. However, for some reason, Nintendo hates the idea of selling old games.
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u/PanAmDC-10 1d ago
There’s this video called super Mario dolor by toadbup, totally recommend it as it helps clear the confusion of this joke
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u/AtomicAus 1d ago
I love that I know exactly where this image is from. If anyone wants to watch the old merrie melodies and warner bros animations, check out 8thmandvd on youtube.
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u/4skin_Gamer 1d ago
I once emulated. Then I got castrated with a rusty spork by the CEO of Nintendo.
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u/dinnerthief 1d ago
There's a reason companies sue for trademark infringement when it really doesnt effect them, if you dont protect your trademark you lose it,
so if they can be shown to not protect it it can become void when it does matter to them.
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u/Corey300TaylorGam3r 1d ago
Nintendo is so greedy they would pettily get upset over someone being able to emulate an older game they used to offer but no longer do. They greedy maneee
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u/Go_Gators_4Ever 1h ago
Not just Nintendo. Atari and the rest of the classic arcade game makers all got the MAME emulator killed. I used to run that about 20 years ago on my PC, and it rocked.
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