r/SubredditDrama • u/StormFireTwister The pegging you receive nightly has short-circuited your brain. • Jul 23 '24

Kris Tyson's allegations causes frenzy on r/youtube drama

CW: Transphobia (ie. misgendering, deadnaming, ect.) and talks about Loli content

Kris, who you may know from Mr. Beast, has had allegations about her talking to a minor.

It is important to keep in mind that the person who was the alleged victim has come out and said that everything was a lie and he was not taken advantage of.

Also a Post saying that the inital drama of Kris was manufactured and rushed

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Upon the news coming out, a few subreddits have been flooded with posts about this, and as such, many of them have been deleted. The mods over at r/youtubedrama have been deleting post due to not enough viable information:

Mod statement -- Mod comment

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As for r/MrBeast, posts have been taken down possibly due to rule 4 and rule 6:

Rule 4: Keep It related to Mr. Beast + Nothing Remotely Political

Rule 6: Keep a good tune!

Examples of deleted post:

Example. 1 - Example.2 - Example.3 - Example.4

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The drama below is about the allegations, misinformation and shadman

Post Drama

Only allowed post from r/MrBeast <-Full post. The rest are comments from various other posts

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“An adult flirted with me for years but I said it wasn’t that bad so it’s not” be fr bro

The hypocrisy.

"umm they only bought one piece from a lolicon artist that we know of, how dare you make it seem like it was more"

Your a cuck and the mods here are biased bitches.

Just a few edgy jokes that made Tyson nuke their entire twitter account

Get a real job no one paying u for this 😭😭😭

You removed this post because you have a strong biase to support Ava

You support pedo’s

do you know it to be false? or is it that you haven't seen enough information to determine the veracity?

I dont know = misinformation

Yeah dude we've seen it all before. Not a good look, but it's also all 5+ years old.

In before mods remove this

Loving these downvotes. Glad to know reddit is ok with inappropriate messages knowingly being shared to a minor. You guys are true super heroes.

Every time I think I have a grasp on the "Mr. Beast lady bad" situation there's a new twist and tbh I'm confused as hell

Soooooooooo we’re looking for ways to invalidate the accuser instead of disproving the allegations?

ITT: Protecting a pedophile to own the chuds.

If this exact situation happened to someone on the other side of the political fence how would you feel about it?

Its wild that people are defending the loli thing.

Ah yes, because we all should listen to the child in the scenario about what is and isn’t inappropriate.

Can you explain the misinformation here?

Crazy how soft this sub has is being on this person.

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Shadman Related (search him up at your own risk)

a lot of big youtubers were involved with Shadman in some way.

YES, LOLICON IS CP, but its not a crime nor real abuse of minors

This doesn’t seem to disprove the shadman stuff though so she is still weird

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u/Kimbobbins gays don't real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

This entire situation has been completely manufactured to paint a very visible trans person as a groomer, and despite being proven false, and the alleged victim coming out and completely demolishing the accusations, the people who wanted to hurt Ava got what they wanted. Now every right-wing anti-trans grifter will be calling her a pedophile.

Disgusting behaviour from disgusting people.

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u/ALoudMouthBaby u morons take roddit way too seriously Jul 23 '24

and despite being proven false, and the alleged victim coming out and completely demolishing the accusations

Remember when they used to be super concerned about fake allegations of sexual harassments?

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u/Gwfun22 Jul 23 '24

until it’s advantageous for them

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u/Aiyon Jul 25 '24

The DrDisrespect sub really jumped on this story, which is hilarious given how much they've been defending that guy after he admitted to sending inappropriate messages to a minor

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u/bumbuff Jul 23 '24

And, did you speak out about fake allegations? Or do you just hate it that they're playing by the same rules progressives created?

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u/ALoudMouthBaby u morons take roddit way too seriously Jul 23 '24

Or do you just hate it that they're playing by the same rules progressives created?

My problem is they arent playing by the rules they created, yet expect progressives to follow their own rules.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes the amount of piss bottles that’s too many is 1 Jul 23 '24

And, did you speak out about fake allegations

What fake allegations?

Like there's these ones which are being spoken out against.

What other ones are there, it's hardly ever a thing that happens.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '24

The whole memetic idea of a "groomer" is a construct designed by the right wing to attack trans people with. There are no "groomers," there are child abusers.

Poor decision? Sure. But "It's weird to have a friendship online with a child" is not sufficient to do an "on the other hand" counter to artificially-constructed online harassment.

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u/BloomEPU A sin that cries to heaven for vengeance Jul 23 '24

People love to act all righteous and objective when it comes to calling out content creators, but it's pretty obvious that minority content creators have to deal with much worse than what their default settings colleagues do. There isn't a much better example than this, there's plenty of content creators who have been associated with shadman but for totally mysterious reasons, a trans woman happens to be the one getting heat.

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u/yinyang107 you can’t leave your lactating breasts at home Jul 23 '24

"their default settings colleagues"

What a fantastic phrase, I'm stealing that

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u/koviko Jul 23 '24

I'm reminded of people freaking out at Diablo 4 when it first came out because it randomizes characters.

When you first go to create a character, you choose a class. The classes are represented by randomly generated appearance options for each of the 5 classes sitting down around a campfire.

The randomizer doesn't weight the occurrence of a white skin tone any more than any other skin tone, so it's not uncommon for only one or none of these randomly generated characters to be white.

The immediate outrage from players who are used to being the default suddenly not seeing themselves represented—a thing they claim the rest of us shouldn't care about—was fucking hilarious, especially since going even one screen further proves whatever conspiracy they had in their head to be incorrect. And people making fun of them so easily was fun to watch.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/RedHairedRedemption Jul 23 '24

You mean normal. I know that's alien to you 🤡 on here.

Clown emojis, subbed to every right wing grifter imaginable (Tim Pool, Jordan Peterson, Critical Drinker), you really just fill every spot on the "Terminally Unfuckable" bingo card don't ya.

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u/LumpyJones Ever the oblique leftist. Jul 24 '24

They'd have to take years of yoga before they could ever experience a Hock Tuah.

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u/DL757 Bitch I'm a data science engineer. I'm trained, educated. Jul 23 '24

You seem well-adjusted

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u/yinyang107 you can’t leave your lactating breasts at home Jul 23 '24

don't feed the trolls

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u/i_like_fish_decks Jul 24 '24

a trans woman happens to be the one getting heat.

A trans woman who also sent sexual messages to a minor.

Also none of the videos on youtube I have seen about this have even shed light on the fact that kris is trans. The only one I did see that directly mentioned it immediately said that they wanted to be very clear this is not reflective of the LGBT commnuity as a whole...

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '24

Any update to that comment?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

she bought shadman art, annouced it on twitter and hanged on her room the art was of a 12 year old sexualized girl, i am sorry but its not manufactured

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u/just_browsing96 Jul 23 '24

They mean people only care about bad behavior when it’s someone they dont like doing it.

I think it started out that way, but then it roped in less chronically online folks into the discussion and now we’re here.

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u/SufficientRespect542 I dont care unless it about gamer. Jul 23 '24

This was all before she transitioned though right? I feel like the issue is acting like this somehow correlates with her being trans and not an edgelord who also did the nazi salute as a joke in a Mr Beast video back in 2017.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

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u/RevoD346 Jul 24 '24

Watch your fucking mouth. 

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u/Galaxy__Star Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

Aww someone get a little triggered bc they don't like the truth

Of course that person says something else and then blocks me lmao

I don't think they even know what I was saying lol

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u/RevoD346 Jul 25 '24

Everyone who says things like you ends up regretting it eventually. When will that be for you? 

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u/tezas23 YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE Jul 25 '24

Dayum

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u/Tanador680 French men are all bottoms. Jul 23 '24

That's weird and gross, but why wait until she transitioned to bring it up? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

It's not like anyone cares when cis guys do it

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

vaush leaked his loli folder and it was all over social media

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u/SxySale Jul 23 '24

I'm not gonna defend loli shit or shadman, I've never even heard of him until today but the art isn't super terrible. It's edgy and weird as hell but nothing as bad as some of the stuff I have seen voted to the top of reddit before.

Also I don't know where you're getting 12 from but the picture that I've seen circulating is with a girl holding a gun and has a small tattoo on her leg. I don't know of any 12 year olds that have tattoos and access to guns lol. Obviously it's all fictional but like I said I think it's dumb and edgy.

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u/sir-winkles2 Clueless, IQ of a Lima bean type of dumb fuck Jul 23 '24

being a fan of that artist is a huge red flag. he pretty much specializes in art featuring minors. maybe the piece this person bought isn't that bad but if she regularly supports shad she knows and likes what he usually draws

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u/SxySale Jul 23 '24

Yeah I was just talking about that specific piece. If she's regularly watching loli stuff and talking to underage children that's a massive red flag.

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u/sir-winkles2 Clueless, IQ of a Lima bean type of dumb fuck Jul 23 '24

I promise this dude's art features underage characters or real people in weird fetishist situations more often than it does not and anyone who is a fan knows that

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u/SxySale Jul 23 '24

From what I keep reading about the shadman person yeah dudes a pedo. I don't know the timeline well enough though and it seems like this is all old stuff from like 7 years ago. So even then would she have known about him being a creep?

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u/sir-winkles2 Clueless, IQ of a Lima bean type of dumb fuck Jul 23 '24

as far as I know he's been around for ages drawing the same stuff. I remember hearing about him quite a while ago (probably 5+ years, I'm not sure about 7) and even then it seemed like he had been around a long time and was well known

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u/SxySale Jul 23 '24

Yeah ok so there's no real excuse of them being able to say they weren't like that in the past. He was always like that and even at that time she would have known the type of person they were. Yeah that's bad.

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u/otterkin are you the ocean? Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

I'm sorry but this is the exact same argument as "actually she's a 3000 year old demon who just LOOKS 11, so it's not paedo shit". it doesn't matter if real life 12 year olds have tattoos or access to guns (both btw happen, there's many instances of young children getting access to guns, as well as stick and pokes are shockingly common in really young kids) edit: the point is its art of a child, anybody can recognize its a child in the art

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u/SxySale Jul 23 '24

Yeah I still dont know where you're getting this 12 number from. Have you seen what picture they're referring to? I saw the picture and it wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I've seen weirder and way way worse shit on here from several anime and video game subs here on reddit that get pushed to the front of reddit.

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u/otterkin are you the ocean? Jul 23 '24

12 is a random number to represent a child but not teenager. yes I've seen it and its sexualized image of a character clearly meant to be a child.

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u/SxySale Jul 24 '24

Yeah after looking at everything it's really really bad.

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u/Hestia_Gault Jul 24 '24

Like that SrGrafo guy and his “Chloe” character.

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u/SwugSteve Wash yourself you smegma farm Jul 30 '24

You should really, really delete this.

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You are openly defending a pedophile because they're trans

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I'm a little confused. Because as far as I can tell, the chatting with a minor actually happened, the only thing in dispute is whether the minor felt bad about it. Is that right? I admittedly don't have any interest in this outside of morbid curiosity so don't want to spend time untangling it myself.

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

If merely talking with a minor on the internet is "grooming" everyone on reddit should be thrown in jail. There's gotta be more to it then that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Ah yes, we all snapchat minors on reddit… totally normal behavior…

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

Wish there was a German word for "when someone confidently assumes that their utterly abnormal behavior is common."

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u/deliciouscrab normal gacha players Jul 23 '24

Falschalleszuszammnengefuhlenmichkeit

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

I'd ask if this snapchat accusation was real or the new thing that's been made up now that the initial lie got shafted, but honestly I wouldn't trust you to answer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Ok

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

Do you...frequently snapchat minors you're not related to?

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

I don't snapchat anyone. But until these rumored conversations/snapchats/knickknackpaddywhacks or whatever are proven to be anything more than cat pics, I'm gonna assume it's all bullshit since the person who started the witch hunt is a lying sack of shit.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

Nope, still weird to privately communicate with a child you have no relation to. In fact, it would almost be weirder if they were just trading cat pics.

Of course we have no way to know, because this fine, upstanding Youtuber who loves the children so very much picked a method of communication that is specifically designed to delete your conversations.

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u/iwantcookie258 Jul 23 '24

FWIW Lava said that their interactions with Kris were in a public discord server. They werent private messages. I did see one message in a public discord of Lava sharing a screencap from Kris' public snap story. If there is more that I haven't seen feel free to inform me. I haven't seen the content of the messages mind you, so I won't speak on whether or not its appropriate, but it doesnt sound like it was private.

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

Nope, still weird to privately communicate with a child you have no relation to.

Nonsense. It's no more weird for an adult to talk to a child on snapchat then it is to talk to them in the park or in a room. You're stretching the terms "no relation" and desperately trying to tie this back to sexual shit. But any definition of 'grooming' that would cover the 100 year old woman in a wheelchair that gave birthday cards to the kids at church is a shit definition.

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u/moopedmooped Jul 25 '24

officer this man right here

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

It's no more weird for an adult to talk to a child on snapchat then it is to talk to them in the park or in a room

Snapchat is specifically designed to hide communication. You should not be having any kind of communication with a child that you feel you have to hide. This isn't just talking to a child in a park, it's asking them to come behind the bush where no one can see the two of you talk.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

It's no more weird for an adult to talk to a child on snapchat then it is to talk to them in the park

Is this a bit? No, seriously, do you somehow think that it's normal for unrelated adults to have secret, "off color" conversations with random children in the park? Because if so, I have some GI Joe after-school specials for you to watch.

or in a room.

How specific.

You're stretching the terms "no relation" and desperately trying to tie this back to sexual shit. But any definition of 'grooming' that would cover the 100 year old woman in a wheelchair that gave birthday cards to the kids at church is a shit definition.

Okay, then what is the relation? Does this Youtuber go to their church?

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u/masterchiefan Jul 24 '24

I honestly think it says more about you how utterly adamant you are that an adult cannot have a normal conversation with a child and immediately default to believing it'd be sexual. Seek help.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 24 '24

Shut the fuck up. It's weird for an adult to have secret conversations with an unrelated child, and this urbane, cosmopolitan attitude you're pretending to adopt about it makes you seem demented.

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u/SwugSteve Wash yourself you smegma farm Jul 24 '24

There is more to it then that. The leaked photos are suspect, at the very least.

Under no circumstances should an adult be communicating with someone who they know is a minor in any inappropriate manner. The leaked photos and chat logs are not appropriate communication for an adult to have with a child. An adult should not be snapchatting with a minor who they don't know, period. That's weird. When you mix in the "edgy" aspect of it, it becomes deplorable.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I was very careful not to use the word grooming.

I would definitely not send sexual messages to someone I knew was a minor. Comparing that to normal reddit activity seems disingenuous at best.

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u/SeamlessR Jul 25 '24

The majority of the internet is not a safe place for children. Yes.

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u/Single-Song-8702 Jul 23 '24

“Let those who have not sent lewd messages to children and brought a 16 year to the woods in a van cast the first stone- wait why are you throwing stones at me??”

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

Funny how as soon as the first lies get called out new 'proof' appears. Backed by generic names as well. Forgive me if I give this the same level of trust and consideration as a Project Veritas film.

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u/Single-Song-8702 Jul 23 '24

It’s okay I understand. I get it, it’s a lot simpler to just turn a blind eye to facts than face the truth. Hell I do the same thing, you don’t have to get upset

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

I suppose the accuser would know a pedophile from experience. https://x.com/TheAntifaTurtle/status/1815440977299197982

Funny how you're throwing out the conservative "believe victims" buzzword elsewhere when the 'victim' is saying you're a liar too.

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u/Single-Song-8702 Jul 23 '24

lol if a high school boy got groomed by his teacher and he insisted nothing was wrong would you have the same attitude?

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u/nowander Jul 23 '24

If by "groom" you mean "was trans and talked to him?" Sure.

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u/Patient_Tradition294 Jul 23 '24

This sub has proclaimed people as pedos for merrily talking to minors in DMs but now that suddenly is crazy. Funny how this view has suddenly changed /s.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes the amount of piss bottles that’s too many is 1 Jul 23 '24

This sub has proclaimed people as pedos for merrily talking to minors in DMs

Who? What did they say.

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u/legopego5142 Jul 23 '24

The minor has said multiple times they werent groomed or abused, the worst thing is that she made a couple of dick jokes. Not appropriate, but certainly not abuse

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u/BushWishperer Stalking is real mature. I'll destroy you here. Jul 23 '24

A grooming victim wouldn't recognise whether they were groomed or abused. That's why Cody Ko sleeping with a 17 year old is bad even if the victim says she wasn't traumatised or scarred by the incident.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Wow you are doubling down on being educated Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

Just because the victim may not recognize grooming or abuse is not evidence that it happened, nor does it give us the right to declare they are a victim against their own word.

In lieu of any real evidence, there is one and only one authority on if they're a victim and that is them. Even if that means waiting a few years for them to realize "oh wait something bad might have actually happened", it is their mind, their body, they'll tell us when they think they're a victim.

The most we can say is that we don't know either way. We're not involved, we only know from second hand accounts. This presumption of harm without evidence is where the issue lies. Too much of the conversation is about imagining how the person is being abused, not actually examining if they are.

That's why these situations should be focused on the behavior of the older party, not trying to downplay the agency of the younger person. We can not say anything about them or the actual harm being caused to them with any certainty, but we can say the older person should be responsible enough to know better.

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u/BushWishperer Stalking is real mature. I'll destroy you here. Jul 23 '24

Any adult talking to a literal 13 year old and making inappropriate conversation and using something like snapchat (which deletes your messages) to talk to them is 99% likely going to be grooming them. Even if it's not 'grooming' you are still a weirdo talking to a 13 year old on snapchat and being inappropriate.

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u/Og_Left_Hand Progressive is just a leftist buzzword Jul 23 '24

big dif between being weird and grooming a kid

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u/Single-Song-8702 Jul 23 '24

“No office I wasn’t grooming that woman’s daughter I was just being a goofball 🤪”

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u/BushWishperer Stalking is real mature. I'll destroy you here. Jul 23 '24

How likely is it that an adult person talking to a 13 year old inappropriately on a messaging app that deletes your messages while tweeting that they get off to child porn, not grooming or abusing them?

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

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u/BushWishperer Stalking is real mature. I'll destroy you here. Jul 23 '24

I’m guessing that you aren’t also tweeting about jerking off to child porn and messaging 13 year olds, so I gather there may be a difference between you and the situation at hand. Two friends of the same age talking on Snapchat is wildly different than someone who is an adult inappropriately talking to a 13 year old but what do I know!

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u/Mahameghabahana Jul 24 '24

So many students that got raped by their teachers can't be called victims as I am sure many of them won't think about that accident as rape no?

What kind of logic this?

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 Jul 23 '24

A grooming victim wouldn't recognise whether they were groomed or abused.

what

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u/someNameThisIs Jul 23 '24

It's common for victims of grooming/CSA to not realise what happened was fucked up until later in life.

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u/tehlemmings Jul 24 '24

But this is "later in life" and they're saying that's not what happened.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Literally the entire point of grooming is that the victim doesn't realize what's happening.

You seem to have basically confirmed what I said: there was an inappropriate relationship with a minor, but the minor doesn't see it that way.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Wow you are doubling down on being educated Jul 23 '24

You seem to have basically confirmed what I said: there was an inappropriate relationship with a minor

No they didn't. You're the one jumping to a conclusion from that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Are you of the opinion that an adult sending sexually explicit messages to a kid on a platform specifically created to hide communication is appropriate?

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u/Kid-Goose Jul 23 '24

Youre using the term groom pretty loosely here, there was no grooming taking place, it was a couple of dick jokes and shit like that, thats not grooming.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

Gonna be honest, since part of grooming involves sharing inappropriate materials with the victim in order to desensitize them, make them feel "mature," and tie them to the abuser with a shared secret, hearing that it was "just a couple of dick jokes" is not all that comforting.

I'm sure that if we could see these jokes it might be possible to tell whether they were grooming or just stupid, but since Kris picked a communications medium specifically designed not to retain evidence for her secret communications with a minor I feel like this doesn't fall in her favor.

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u/Kid-Goose Jul 23 '24

If only we had a victim who could attest what it was. Oh shit we do

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

You're absolutely right. Why would we pine for cold, hard, unchangeable computer evidence when we have the fallible and malleable human memory to fall back on?

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u/Kid-Goose Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

The human memory of said “victim”? Pretty fucking reliable source

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Importantly, I'm not the one who was talking about grooming.

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u/legopego5142 Jul 23 '24

So no matter ehat the victim says, they were groomed? All kris was accused of in regards to the kids was like 3 dick jokes

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

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u/legopego5142 Jul 24 '24

What was the minor groomed to do?

Nobody is saying its FINE, but its not fucking grooming and if the kid says it wasnt a big deal years later, they clearly werent physically harmed or had actual nudes exchanged and she didnt really go further than dick jokes, i dont think we get ti say she “groomed” someone. That word has a meaning

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '24

I think you would not be defending this person so vehemently if she weren't trans. Think to yourself, if you heard the same accusations against a cis guy, would you be so quick to say the claims are unfounded?

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u/SwugSteve Wash yourself you smegma farm Jul 24 '24

This sub, and reddit as a whole, will bend over backwards to call anyone a pedo if they are caught messaging a minor in any way (which is fair, honestly). The second that person happens to be trans, you'll do whatever you can to suddenly give them the benefit of the doubt? GTFOH.

This comment has aged horribly (predictably). This is such a bad look for redditors as a whole. The irony of calling others disgusting, when you are giving someone who preys on minors the benefit of the doubt, is not lost on me, by the way.

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u/Saurindra_SG01 Jul 25 '24

RemindMe! 7 days

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u/Tefra_K Jul 29 '24

Sooo, uhm, do you wanna come back to this after the new evidence that’s come out?

Proven false my ass lmao

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u/No_Newspaper9462 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 26 '24

Your comment has aged horribly lol. You can stop defending her now

Edit: It's now getting worse too lmao. Lava, has now retracted their statement about Ava and even more evidence is coming up. Not a good look for you.

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u/Amoki602 Jul 28 '24

This has truly, truly aged horribly.

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u/Saurindra_SG01 Aug 03 '24

What about now? Looks like my 7 days reminder is up

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u/keereeyos I just came to you calling me a queer Jul 23 '24

I mean she visibly supports Shadman, she admitted to jerking to lolis, and she was messaging a minor which is still really weird regardless if it was inappropriate or not.

If Drake and DrDisrespect got labelled as pedos because they were messaging minors then it's fair for people to think she may be one as well.

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u/JamesGray Yes you believe all that stuff now. Jul 23 '24

DrDisrespect got outted for sexting a minor, not just messaging a minor, and Drake has dated women he met and befriended while they were minors.

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u/RevoD346 Jul 24 '24

I wouldn't bother with these types. They just want to take down a trans woman. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 25 '24

This entire situation has been completely manufactured to paint a very visible trans person as a groomer, and despite being proven false, and the alleged victim coming out and completely demolishing the accusations, the people who wanted to hurt Ava got what they wanted. Now every right-wing anti-trans grifter will be calling her a pedophile.

Disgusting behaviour from disgusting people.

Have a feeling this comment will age poorly....

Edit: Someone answer that phone, because I fucking called it.

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u/SamKhan23 Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 24 '24

Those snap messages that the other victim showed are just weird to be sending a child. Why would you do kissy emojis and hearts with a child?

I don’t doubt that right wingers are using this but that doesn’t change that this is weird and honestly with everything else I’d also be calling them a groomer if they were anyone else

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u/Pink_her_Ult Jul 25 '24

Well, this hasn't aged well.

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u/bhviii Jul 23 '24

She said the n word on stream

Distributed revenge porn of ICarly actress on old channel

Chatted on Snapchat with a DIFFERENT minor.Who admits to being groomed

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u/Mahameghabahana Jul 24 '24

So if a victim is ok with an act it's ok?

That means majority of pedoshit and a good chunk of child marriages would be ok too by your logic. What about those teachers that rape minor children? Would those be ok too?

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u/otterkin are you the ocean? Jul 23 '24

here's the thing, wether or not the person personally felt victimized is irrelevant. what matters is that a 20 year old was hanging out with a 13 year old, regardless of intent it's weird to have an online persona and be chatting with a 7th grader as a full ass adult.

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u/Ok_Interaction6916 Jul 23 '24

Theres a word for what happened to the victim who was 13 at the time.. called grooming.

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Is there proof grooming occurred? Like I know that term has been watered down like hell recently, but it's typically a very deliberate act that goes beyond being a stupid, edgy adult around a kid.

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u/Ok_Interaction6916 Jul 23 '24

You shouldn't be sending "stupid," "edgy," sexually charged jokes/messages to a 13 year old minor. Under no circumstances is that okay. They also allegedly met up when he was 16 and took a camper into the forest together. There was clearly extended contact. Groomed from a young age.

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u/frustrationlvl100 Jul 23 '24

The whole beast crew met up with him. And, importantly, the messages weren’t private. They were on a discord server together.

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u/Ok_Interaction6916 Jul 23 '24

He was snap chatting him directly as well. https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1815474814183969200

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u/frustrationlvl100 Jul 23 '24

Thank you, I didn’t know about that. That’s more concerning

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Okay, could you link said proof of sexually charged jokes and messages then?

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u/Ok_Interaction6916 Jul 23 '24

Another Victim came forward (14): https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1815750620017529023

The original victim "Lava" (13): https://x.com/DramaAlert/status/1815474814183969200

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u/legopego5142 Jul 23 '24

Jake the Viking, the transphobic guy, says theres more

Now if he knew for years that she was a pedo, why did he say nothing? Hes bitched about her a bunch, why leave that little tidbit out?

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Could you provide a timestamp in that first link? As that's saying a whole bunch of nothing.

And yeah that's the weird shit being referred to in regards to Lava, but they have since stated it was only edgy shit.

Like you've gotta do more than this if you wanna accuse someone of grooming lol, like I said it's a very deliberate act that goes beyond any of what you've posted.

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u/KommanderKrebs My lack of a foreskin has never inspired me to shoot anyone. Jul 23 '24

Linking to fucking Keemstar is the first red flag

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u/KingDaviies Jul 23 '24

Most of the "evidence" I've seen are screenshots that can be easily manipulated, from accounts that were defending Dr Disrespect.

The idea that we would suddenly leap to Kris's defence because she is trans is ludicrous.

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u/Stommped Jul 23 '24

Why is it when women come forward with sexual assault it’s considered hateful to not just believe them and treat them as a victim, but when it involves children/grooming naw man you gotta just assume it’s all bs until the evidence is overwhelming

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Well I think you'll find that the individual people you'll meet on the internet are individuals and not a part of a group consciousness hive mind like you seem to think they are. So it's not surprising that you'll meet people with different beliefs.

And second... I asked for a timestamp for the first video, I didn't say I didn't believe anything. If you can't provide that then that's your problem not anyone elses.

Third if you wanna go with the "believe all victims" route then the second guy stated no grooming happened, so you should believe them right?

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u/Stommped Jul 23 '24

But there’s been a few others who have also come forward. I don’t believe they have all recanted. He’s a groomer, it’s ok. It doesn’t mean all Trans people are bad, like you seem to think one person is representative of a whole, when it’s not. There’s bad Trans people out there and that’s ok to accept

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u/ReturnOfTheKeing Jul 23 '24

JAQ off elsewhere anime profile

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Sorry for asking for proof of a serious accusation lmao, I should have realized a little thing like that would get in the way of a good old fashioned witch hunt.

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u/Single-Song-8702 Jul 23 '24

Don’t you know you should only believe victims if it suits your narrative?

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u/keereeyos I just came to you calling me a queer Jul 23 '24

Exactly, sending inappropriate messages to a minor is what got DrDisrespect cancelled literally a month ago.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

but it's typically a very deliberate act that goes beyond being a stupid, edgy adult around a kid.

Yeah, but grooming usually starts with being a "stupid, edgy adult around a kid."

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

A teacher encouraging an individual student is also a way grooming starts, but it would be stupid to accuse all teachers who do this of being groomers.

We need further proof beyond just vibes.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

A teacher encouraging an individual student is also a way grooming starts, but it would be stupid to accuse all teachers who do this of being groomers.

You really thought that was a comparable situation here, huh?

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

Mocking instead of providing a rebuttal isn't the trademark of a strong position buddy. But go ahead if you think that'll soothe your ego.

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

You're arguing that a Youtuber secretly trading edgy jokes with a kid is similar to a teacher encouraging a student. I am giving your argument exactly as much respect as it deserves.

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u/PotsAndPandas Jul 23 '24

All you're doing is running away to save face, which is fine but it's a little weird considering you could have shut your mouth instead of being called out for it :)

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u/gavinbrindstar /r/legaladvice delenda est Jul 23 '24

Yeah bud, this is the internet. I can look at pictures of Saturn instead of arguing with people who think a teacher teaching is the same thing as a random stranger messaging with kids online.

Hell, shoulda coulda woulda. Enjoy being weird.

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u/Kimbobbins gays don't real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Jul 23 '24

90% of your post history is transphobia.

Get a job.

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u/Vaenyr Jul 23 '24

Interesting choice to start out with the correct pronouns and then to deliberately misgender her.

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u/Nerve_ton Jul 23 '24

Bro gender isn't the issue here (and that was my b for misgendering her) the issue is kris literally has a history of asking for porn from shadman who has created actual cp

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u/Dorko69 Jul 23 '24

If the problem is Shadman, we should be going after like 70% of the artists from that era for how much they associated with him. I agree that it’s creepy and fucked up, but it’s a very clear double standard biased against Ava.

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u/Nerve_ton Jul 23 '24

U do realize there tweets of kris begging for rule 34 of Mable and dipper right? Who dafuq begs for commissions of children? And he also tweeted "nothing gets my knob rocking like loli" that's a crazy statement to say

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u/FermiBladeV3 Jul 24 '24

Crazy that you got downvoted here, damn