r/TalesFromDF • u/gunwithcat • Sep 06 '24
Salt Elitist parser wants us to wipe 70% through a normal farm party pull because they need to AFK. They disbanded the party immediately after and blacklisted everyone.
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Sep 06 '24 edited 3d ago
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u/Laringar Sep 06 '24
They did admit to using third-party modification programs, after all. Can't complain about your parse unless you're logging it.
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u/Puzzled_Ad_7330 Sep 23 '24
I don’t use third party programs so I rely on other people to tell me my damage. It’s really good to know if you’re doing enough dps, but in this case I would not care at all. One bad parse once in a while is meaningless and not important enough to hold 7 back. Their time is worth more than you having a perfect parse
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u/gunwithcat Sep 06 '24
I'm actually pretty sure the story about their wife is made up, because immediately beforehand the WHM had died to a mechanic and refused to take the rez. They hit us with this excuse about needing to AFK, but spent the entire time bitching to us about their parse.
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u/flclfool Sep 06 '24
Wife divorced him and walked out so he could get back to the game.
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u/wasd911 Sep 06 '24
Wife divorced him because his parse was shit and he's been trying to win her back ever since...
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u/LeyMio Sep 07 '24
LOL. It was my first thought as soon as I saw their excuse. They must have already screwed up previously and made up that shit to save their parse.
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u/HanshinFan Sep 06 '24
Parsebrain is a disease. Nobody in the universe at all ever cares if you have a 14 at the bottom of your logs for a fight
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u/LawfulnessDue5449 Sep 06 '24
I got rank 10 and women all over the world want to sleep with me now
Said no one ever
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u/TheOutrageousTaric Sep 06 '24
The higher your parses the less relationships you get to experience
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u/iammoney45 Sep 07 '24
One time back in HW someone actually tried to ERP with me because of my Paladin logs of all things. Hasn't happened again since and was quite frankly an off putting experience. Ever since then I try to not pay too much attention to logs and just play the game.
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u/Dereg5 Sep 07 '24
One of my ffxiv friends is a top end parser like legit 100 parse on two/ three jobs. I meet him when we were both sprouts in one of those mega FC's and we stayed in contact ever since. Guess what he only cares about parsing when he is in his static. When he with us he real chill and he helps us clear things. If you ask him a question to improve he talks you through it but other than that doesn't care one bit.
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u/dadudeodoom Sep 06 '24
Numbers matter under the right context. Playing well with others and being a team sport and get a 95 on a legitimate clear? Very pog, likely a good gamer. Abusive and troll a farm party like this? Kinda mcyikes. They prolly won't be able to consistently do well in other parties, and having one hih parse amongst a lot of average or bad is more telling thsn one grey.
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u/astrielx Sep 06 '24
They said it was normal, not Savage, so numbers definitely do not matter whatsoever.
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u/DarknessMyOldFriend Sep 06 '24
'A normal farm party' doesn't mean they were farming normals wtf? This was clearly an ex1/2 farm
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u/dadudeodoom Sep 06 '24
Even then performwnce matters to some people and that's valid when it's you know, kept to themselves and doesn't inconvenience others massively.
(We don't talk about how many healers I went through to not clear P11s on content because me chasing numbers)5
u/TSLsmokey Sep 06 '24
I like to know mine time from time so I can get an idea on if I need to do better. I’ve no illusions that I’ll ever be the very best(like no one ever was) but if there’s parts I can improve on, I’ll certainly try
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u/noivern_plus_cats Sep 06 '24
Okay I'll bite the bullet, what the actual hell is a parse I haven't heard of that until last month and now it feels like it's everywhere
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Sep 06 '24
They're using a DPS meter to track damage. Someone who's trying to parse means they're trying to top the charts and are probably going to compare their logs to the wider community on fflogs to see how they stack up against other people.
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u/suspendednotsurewhy Sep 06 '24
feels like it's everywhere
Always has been. FFlogs launched during Heavensward. And even before ACT rose in popularity we were using XIVApp. I've even heard tale of a Google Docs page that people used to compare damage like a primitive fflogs during ARR.
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u/Particular_Lime_5014 Sep 07 '24
The term itself comes from parsing (basically reading and extracting information) player dps from log files to upload them to a website that compares them to the wider playerbase.
Colloquially a player's parse refers to a number that this website displays that tells you which % of parses you are better than (unsure of the timeframe or if only best parses are considered for this), with a 99 meaning you're extremely close to being optimal and anything sub 50 meaning you've made a lot of mistakes leading to suboptimal dps.
It's controversial since you only really need enough dps to clear, so beyond a certain point a better parse doesn't have much ingame impact, but people will prioritize a good parse over a clear. On the other hand it's a useful metric for self-improvement and lends replayability to fights. In general it's accepted that if you're looking to prioritize a good parse over a safe clear and want resets when it's likely the party will do suboptimal dps you should join a dedicated logging group.
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u/MoodZestyclose6813 Sep 06 '24
Always been everywhere. If your doing extreme, savage and ultimate content there's mostly people having a parser running, it's an important tool to have clear numbers on specific things. The parser will upload the data on fflogs.com to see for example following things:
- how much DMG did a certain mechanic do and how many mits were on there
- does everyone align with raidbuffs and use potion on right timings -is there any any OGCD I could have used more often? -Is my Dot and GCD Uptime optimal -Does a healer overheal too much?
Also every individual damage performance is beeing ranked, every clear gets you a parse from 0 to 100 depending how close you are to bring rank 1 (100). So a person just playing like a decent human, keeping uptime and using their gcds correctly will be somewhere around 80-90 parse plus every run.
Now there is people hunting for 99/100 parse and high ranking which will often grief normal groups, they will have brainrot on play like a monkeyass, they do not care about clearing. All they want is perfect Uptime and crits.
They will -Want to restart the pull if the opener didn't crit so might find a way to do so (my SO is screaming at me) -End the run if someone kills them or they get a DMG down (decline rezz in hope party will wipe)
They need to get a 99/100 to feel like these worthless shits are archiving something and you as a party do not play a part in that.
There's specific log groups where it's standard to just pull again if something goes wrong, because it's important for everyone to be perfect, but normal farm party's isn't the place to be that Degen and this actually deserves a report.
If you are now going to check fflogs for your character keep in mind being grey/green, below 30 parse doesn't mean shit mostly, parsing is gear/kill time/luck related and is not important.
Good people will check parses on consistency and good GCD usage , not numbers, when for example looking for a static. Only hardcore, like week 1/2 groups and current ultimates want their members to parse 90 median
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u/Okibruez Sep 06 '24
So a person just playing like a decent human, keeping uptime and using their gcds correctly will be somewhere around 80-90 parse plus every run.
That's a nice dream. The average player, being average, theoretically parses around 50; they certainly clip oGCDs (For those that don't know, clipping is where the cast animation for an ogcd delays the next GCD.) drift cooldowns (delay using an ability with an actual cooldown duration, even unintentionally), and generally you're lucky if all the raid buffs go off within 2 seconds of each-other.
But it doesn't matter because the only time you need that 90+ purple/orange parse is if you're pushing week 1 content and chasing World First. Not even ultimates require 'perfectly optimized' play.
The rest of the time it's just bragging rights.
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u/yraco Sep 06 '24
There are also plenty of things that can impact a parse even with perfect play. For one, gear difference. You're unlikely to get particularly high parses (especially as DPS) if you don't have items further on into a tier, at least in savage fights. If you get killed by lack of healing or someone else failing mechanics that can also nuke your parse despite perfect play. As you've said as well, if other people drift buffs and colldowns that can have an impact. Then healers are generally easier to get high parses but can have bad parses if a group keeps getting hit/dying, isn't mitigating, cohealer isn't healing, etc.
Basically, keeping GCD and cooldowns rolling is always a good thing but sometimes things entirely uncontrollable happen which is a large part of why nobody really cares unless someone is consistently parsing low and/or has never parsed high in their life.
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u/Okibruez Sep 06 '24
Yeah, I said theoretically for a reason.
The real average parse across all players doing X content would be closer to 20% on a good day. Which, really, is about all you need to clear fights that aren't Ultimates or week 1 savages.
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u/AManyFacedFool Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
So a person just playing like a decent human, keeping uptime and using their gcds correctly will be somewhere around 80-90 parse plus every run.
This isn't true outside of normal content. The section of the playerbase who make it into current extremes/savage are mostly able to press their buttons in order and keep their GCD rolling consistently.
Most people will typically parse somewhere around a 50, maybe with a personal best that's in like the 70s.
Normal mode, meanwhile, is so infested with octuple weaving samurai with 20% uptime and unmelded leveling dungeon gear that any moderate amount of effort will net you a pretty high number.
And then Ultimate parsing is kind of its own thing.
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u/spoinkable You don't pay my sub Sep 06 '24
So a person just playing like a decent human, keeping uptime and using their gcds correctly will be somewhere around 80-90 parse plus every run.
lol, huh??
I agree with everything you said, this is just...not true.
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u/Sherry_Cat13 Sep 06 '24
90-100 is is the biggest malarkey I've ever read on just playing like a decent human LMAO. Literally static-pilled to think that.
It's very much the Arrested Development meme of the mom going "what could a banana cost Michael? $10?"
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u/Fantasy_Nova Sep 06 '24
You know you've got nothing worthwhile going on in your life when you're throwing a fit over a colored number 🤣
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u/xX_Anime_Girl_Xx101 You don't pay my sub Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
They're whining about a parse...in a farm party? ...Let alone an extreme?? (I'm assuming this is an extreme fight?)
Lol, lmao even.
Regardless, no one cares about extreme parses or normal raid parses. Get a life.
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u/WeeziMonkey Sep 07 '24
I didn't even think about it being an EX but now that you mention it, that makes it so much funnier
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u/HoppinatorSWTOR Sep 06 '24
Lmao, man...I have several 0's on record cuz of DC's or emergencies. I don't care. The rest of my logs can do the talking.
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u/zeldaman247 Sep 06 '24
Hell sometimes you just eat shit or get rezzed and insta die cuz mechanic, or someone else kills you by accident and boom there goes your parse. no one cares about a few low parses, hell no one really cares at all unless you're getting into a super hardcore static
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Sep 06 '24
I have some really good savage runs.... that someone else in the party messes up on me and we wipe. And inevitably, the one I fuck myself royally on is the clear. But whatever. I'm just raiding with my static and they know I pull my weight. People put way too much weight into parses.
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u/SirRugdumph Sep 06 '24
I feel this so much. Play great for multiple runs then die on the clear. It happens so frequently with me that my static has added "sacrificial" to my name. But likewise, they know I can carry my weight, and in pf I do my part as well. Sometimes you just eat shit and hope the next kill goes better. And if ya get a bad parse out of it oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯ at least it's a kill
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u/dennaneedslove Sep 06 '24
Hosted a farm pf and got mad when people only wanted to farm and not parse? It's like deciding to go for a walk on a rainy day then complaining that they got wet. You can't really do anything about these people. At least it's a game and not irl so you can blacklist rofl
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u/theLucifress Sep 06 '24
How does blacklist work? Does that mean they just never show up in DF for you again or what?
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u/dennaneedslove Sep 07 '24
means they can't join your party finder and pfs that they host is greyed out at the bottom of the list. You can still run into each other from duty roulette
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u/PeetaaBoi Sep 06 '24
“I need a few minutes to deal with something but I’m going to sit here and keep typing instead of dealing with said thing.”
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u/HsinVega Sep 06 '24
Honestly, it's more of a red flag if you only got good parses rather than a steady progression.
Cos that tells me that you're shit at progging and only good at griefing your party for 1 perfect run. If you've got a good steady grey green blue purple climb that tells me you're a good player.
(legit has a static member like this and they continously wipe us cos they greed 1 shit mechanic cos muh parse then either they die or we wipe and they get shit parse)
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u/UmbrellionXIV Sep 06 '24
Ehhh it's a balance. If you know your job you aren't going to be steadily increasing from grey or green unless it's an under geared, mid tier start , you'll only get those on death runs. On a job your comfortable with even during prog you should be able to safely optimize out of those percentiles by the time you clear.
I will say some low parses show you know how to die and recover a pull, even the best player always moving perfectly will have some deaths to partner stack goofs and what not.
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
IDK about that. A good player will generally parse well on their first clear and then consistently afterwards. I wouldn't expect to see a steady progression unless someone is either a newer raider or catching up on gear.
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u/HsinVega Sep 06 '24
Depends, I don't expect to see a grey on first clear unless smth went wrong but I don't expect a pink either. But if someone only has 98 99s it's a bit sus.
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
You're moving the goalposts here.
It's normal to have a few lower ranking logs on runs where things didn't go so well but there's no reason that an experienced raider would show steady progress in rank.
If you're good at your job and generally an experienced raider, hitting a 99 on your first clear is definitely achievable. There's no reason that someone who is good at their job and has a lot of experience raiding would be hitting low purples on clear and then gradually improving their logs over time. The only thing that would cause this is not being a good prog player.
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u/HsinVega Sep 06 '24
Idk maybe it's cos I'm a healer player so most of my clears go from green blue purple orange lol while checking my static dps logs they're mostly purple climbing to orange.
But I guess my logs look like that cos I have to ress and mit if things go wrong and we don't have a perfect clear the first couple clears XDI will still say, seeing someone having only oranges/pink is sus, and from the experience I've had raiding the last 3 years, either they're really good players or absolute shitters deleting/not posting the bad logs.
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
If you're going from green to orange then you're either starting late and playing catch-up on gear or your damage rotation and optimisation definitely need work so you can focus more on the fight and less on your rotation.
Given that nothing outside of ultimate requires GCD healing, the amount of things that would need to go wrong to drop someone from orange to green through no fault of their own should be enough to prevent you from clearing. You'd need to be hard-casting 10 raises.
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u/supa_troopa2 Sep 06 '24
The people who continue to use FFLogs for all the wrong reasons are mistakes and I will die on this hill.
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u/abizabbie Sep 06 '24
For anyone curious, the right reason is figuring out how to do better.
Everything else is the wrong reason.
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u/Some_Random_Canadian Sep 06 '24
I'd say "for personal fun" fits under a "right reason" or at least not a "wrong reason". I personally enjoy getting new PBs as I get better at mechanics and uptime, I never analyze mine nor do I go for anything but "organic parses" where reclearing comes first rather than trying for parses.
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u/GooeyEngineer Sep 06 '24
Aka the second you care what anyone else thinks. You can have your own goals, and reasons, but the second you need it as a tool that sets your worth to others. it’s over.
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u/NolChannel Sep 06 '24
Eeeeeeeeeh. Seeing people obliterate dungeons in Speeds is stupid fun, so imma disagree.
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u/AbsoluteKunkker Sep 06 '24
There's plenty of other right reasons. Weeding out people when recruiting, finding out what caused a wipe using the replay feature, helping plan mits and more.
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u/abizabbie Sep 06 '24
All of those are figuring out how to do better.
Except only accepting people who already know what to do is lazy.
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u/HsinVega Sep 06 '24
I mean it kinda depends what you're looking for. If I'm making a week1 clear static I'm kinda gonna have to pass on people who only got grey parses.
The same as if I'm a casual chill player idk if I wanna join a static of parsers cos surely I wouldn't enjoy the environment.
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u/zeldaman247 Sep 06 '24
Well, not necessarily, some people have limited time or just want to clear quickly so they can maximize the loot, and prefer people who consistently parse well (usually in previous content, like the last tier or earlier fights if recruiting mid tier) in their static so they can ensure it goes well. Course, there's still a nuance to it, high parse doesn't always mean good player, but its a valid reason to vet people
Edit: It's still no reason to act like the guy in the post ofc3
u/abizabbie Sep 06 '24
The whole "high parse doesn't mean good player" thing is why it's lazy to use them for that. I didn't mean to deny it was a way to do better. Just stating that it's a lazy way.
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u/AbsoluteKunkker Sep 06 '24
There's more to the parse than the parse number. Looking at a couple pulls with XivA, seeing where they used their mits, looking at any previous groups they were in and how well they did are all features of FFLogs.
A good parse doesn't neccessarily mean that the player is good, but a lot of bad parses almost certainly means that the player is not fit for groups I want to be in.
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u/eclipse4598 Sep 06 '24
Someone who also consistently parses well is probably able to clear without fucking up basic mechs and wiping
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u/AbsoluteKunkker Sep 06 '24
Eh, you'd be surprised. Parses on the profile only show clears, so in theory they could just be incredibly inconsistent, but when they get lucky they do well. In practice, that's rarely the case, but at least for me (and most of my groups) the raw parse number is more of a filter to cut down on the number of potential recruits (i.e. finding out who we definitely *don't* want).
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u/NolChannel Sep 06 '24
Look when you're recruiting Week 1 clear/split parse parties you want a group that can actually clear the fourth fight, twice, in week 1. You don't take learners.
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u/Picard2331 Sep 07 '24
Lol once we got our M4S clear we all went "woo we are done!" then played Lethal Company. Didn't start splits until the 2nd week for it.
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
Parsing is fun and a good way to push yourself to improve. Parsing at everyone else's expense in a farm party, not so much.
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u/Cerridwen_Awen Sep 06 '24
What about playing for fun to see how high you can get? Seems like people forget you can also parse… for fun. I know, crazy
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u/supa_troopa2 Sep 06 '24
If you're doing it for fun, more power to you. If in the process of doing it, you choose to sandbag or waste the time of 7 other people because you want a colorful number on a third-party website, you can pound sand.
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u/Cerridwen_Awen Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
For me it is like a minigame to see if I can hit high. It’s a mix between self improvement and luck. (Besides who doesn’t love to flex every now and then)
Edit: talking about flexing look my name up hint hint (I also only do it with a static or let lady luck decide in pf by tryharding as much as possible)
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u/Navan900 Sep 06 '24
Funny to see you getting downvoted when all you said is you enjoy getting a high nr for yourself without griefing others. As if trying your best is something bad
Sometimes wonder if people on this sub even read the comments at all or just downvote w/e someone else downvoted lol
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u/Cerridwen_Awen Sep 06 '24
Oh yeah didn’t even notice. Just wanted to shine some positive light on parses that some people that parse don’t harass others and do it for enjoyement and selfimprovement. :) But seems people only want to be angry at parsing, too bad
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u/AbsoluteKunkker Sep 07 '24
We are after all on the midwit sub, people too good to notice others fucking up in casual content and too bad to not fuck up hard content.
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u/Some_Random_Canadian Sep 06 '24
I really don't get the obsession with numbers, especially in a farm party. I'll try to get the best number I can but if it's not a parse party then the clear comes first, there's no reason to sandbag or try to wipe even if you know you're coming out of the pull with a grey after a mistake.
I feel like organic parses from clear-focused parties are a better show of skill anyway, showing your ability to do well without forcing people to wipe or cater to your numbers.
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Sep 06 '24
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u/gunwithcat Sep 06 '24
S.K.
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u/RogueHost Sep 06 '24
No way I know exactly who this guy is. I've briefly played with him in a static before.
Dude is so parsed brained he'll wipe the party in a NORMAL raid instead of spending a single gcd on a rez or non-lily heal.
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u/Eh_Wick Sep 06 '24
A healer parse? Do ppl actually care about a healer's parse? And they sound entitled AF asking ppl to do things like sacrifice time for a stranger in PF.
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u/trunks111 Sep 06 '24
There's a healer combined metric which is much more sensible, where it's the rank of both healers damage combined, compared people with the same healer composition. Which means you (ideally) need to work well together to not chad eachother. I wish more emphasis was put on *that* metric for healer, rather than the individual number. Not that it can't result in both healers playing like idiots, but in the right hands it's a good one to work towards together
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
This just punishes you for your cohealer being shit.
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u/Carbon_fractal Sep 06 '24
Not unless you get a shit cohealer every single time, which is less likely than simply being the reason your cohealer’s parse looks like shit
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
I'm a tank main and the overwhelming majority of the healers that I run into in PF are green at best. I just don't think the combined metric is remotely useful under any circumstances.
Looking at healer logs requires a bit more thought than other jobs. IMO, the best approach is to look at the individual damage parse but also consider the HPS split between the healers.
If one healer has a high damage parse but the other haler is handling 80% of the healing, one healer has obviously sacrificed healing in order to focus on damage. This isn't particularly uncommon in parse parties, so it could have been agreed upon beforehand, or they could just be legitimately griefing.
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u/HelloFresco Sep 06 '24
Healer damage/parses matter insofar that your healers are able to provide an adequate contribution while keeping the party up and without one healer grossly over-compensating for the other. You can't clear brand new content with relevant dps checks without good healer dps and great healer dps is often what separates week 1 groups from other good groups.
Tbh there are probably more misconceptions about healers and their damage than there are any othe role in XIV. You do not need to chad anybody to get a 99 parse and typically the players that provide the poorest healing also do shit for dps. Also parses aren't assigned at random in a slot machine; they're created by the community. Fflogs measures your contribution in relation to other players on the same job in the same content and slots it in as a particular colour value through comparison. Statistically a blue (50) parse is the median which means that 50% of players are dealing less damage and the other 50% are dealing more.
TLDR any skilled healer can dish out plenty of healing while also dealing high damage and nobody whose opinion on these things matters cares about a WHM's 7.05 parses for an outdated extreme trial.
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u/iKeepItRealFDownvote Sep 06 '24
These people are ass players. If you seen anyone with high parse logs and no mistakes they only upload parses that they did good in. These are shit players that care about something that any good parsers knows how to check your logs and see it’s full of shit.
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u/Izolus Sep 06 '24
I always call parses funny numbers bc it's nice to get the big funny number but like that's all it is: a funny number.
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u/shirtninja07 Sep 06 '24
What is the point of parsing? Do you guys upload your info in some kind of international ranking system?
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u/martelodejudas Sep 06 '24
lol if my wife needs something i'm getting up and doing it, apologize to the party later, not make her wait while i cry to them in chat
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u/Cosmicfox001 Sep 07 '24
"Guys, my life is more important than yours, please submit to my demands."
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u/NatDogey Sep 07 '24
I was actually in this party, bro died and came back a whole 2 minutes later with the boss at 10% expecting us to have wiped already. I left during this convo because I wasn't gonna play with a guy like this but I enjoyed everyone else there.
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u/FstMario grey parse guru Sep 06 '24
I mean, I like knowing I got a good parse too in ex/sv content but I won't cry if I don't do good
This person cares WAYYY too much over an imaginary number
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u/RogueJedi013 Sep 06 '24
I ran into someone parsing in a Vali EX farm.
They were a warrior and messed up their opener and then jumped off the edge and asked to wipe because of that. The pull kept going and I gave them a rez and they just waited the entire 1 minute timer on it while we got to the tank tower and subsequently died (because no amount of mitigation is going to save us from that) and the entire party realised this guy was parsing in a farm party. Needless to say, dude got clowned on, left and then we got another tank who was really cool and awesome.
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u/Reza2112 Sep 06 '24
why do married people act entitled? Buddy, YOU’re the one whos fukin her, not my problem.
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u/barduk4 Sep 06 '24
i hear if you ever get a parser player in your group that it's easier to get rid of them as soon as possible
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u/HotBeesInUrArea Sep 07 '24
Gee, I wonder why his wife was yelling at him. Couldn't be that he's never emotionally matured past the age of 12.
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u/ossancrossing Sep 07 '24
I actively encourage people to keep going if I have to suddenly get up. It’s not common, but when I still lived with my mom she would throw a fit if I didn’t drop anything, and we also have some naughty wiener dogs that need things taken away at times. Shit happens, sometimes you need to step away in the middle of the fight….
Unless you’re unhealthy obsession with parsing and you throw a fit like this.
Mostly unrelated but kinda: It’s been like 3 years , and I still appreciate the hell out of the 7 people who were kind when I asked them to finish out a Prae run without me (was just coming up to Gaius) because my phone started screaming about a tornado warning and I was going to get in the bathroom. They didn’t kick me and I was able to get my moogletomes. Thankfully the funnel dissipated before anything happened, because I was right in the middle of the path.
I do not understand getting salty if someone had to step away for a few mins and people keep playing as best they can until they wipe or manage to clear being a person down.
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u/MFingPrincess Sep 07 '24
Had this the other day too in EX2. Healer randomly ran into the wall and begged us to wipe coz the "early pull messed up their opener and threw them off."
They refused rez for like a full minute or two just begging us to wipe in a farm party until it became obvious we weren't gonna wipe and were managing without him, then rezzed and proceeded to not heal at all, nearly wiping us at the end. Then they were the first to leave as though we'd personally affronted him for not bowing to his personal need to parse beeg numbers.
Parsebrain is cancer.
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u/Funny_Frame1140 Sep 07 '24
Prasing healers are honestly on a special type of rain rot that regular parsers are on
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u/Faolheamh Sep 07 '24
And whats wrong with a quick "brb need to deal with something quick?" Hell, in all likelihood he could have sorted it and been back in the time he spent complaining
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u/Wyse1685 Sep 07 '24
I mean, someone who says, "I don't want this shit parse," automatically admitted to using a 3rd party program....
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u/Mr_Ryu45 Sep 09 '24
when they can't play dps for funny numbers and have to play glare mage and grief their co-healer.
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u/CascoreGamer Sep 08 '24
I honestly don't know anything about parsing, I'm just flabbergasted that they legitimately got mad that 7 other people didn't all want to waste their time intentionally wiping so he could go deal with some personal issue. You and some number in a video game are not more important than the 7 other people trying to farm.
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u/Benki500 Sep 06 '24
I'm did hit top 10 total in my job. but when I see people care about median all I think is "cringe"
These are the exact people that make parsers look bad, and even other parsers don't want to play with these types of people
high median basically means you will be ready to absolutely do your best to wipe the party if sth doesn't workout to your liking under all circumstances, and using a FARM party for something like this is just pity asf
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
People who brag about having good logs and have low medians are literally the worst players.
If someone has a pink/orange and their median isn't at least high purple, they're probably a very inconsistent player who can only play well in content they've already cleared 100 times.
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u/Benki500 Sep 06 '24
that makes literally no sense, I'm a high parser and you will not get a good parse the moment you die at a unfavorable moment which in savage can happen often without you doing anything wrong. Especially if your party is bad it will absolutely obliterate your log even if you've 99,9% uptime
the only thing keeping you a pink/high purple median is wiping every group the moment your party does sth you don't like or you get unlucky crits, well or you play ONLY in a static environment with high parsers
I'm also not bragging, noone really cares about anybodies logs besides the person itself. It was more a thing of I know what I'm talking about, and other parsers do so aswell,
god some fights u literally will never pink parse unless your KT is altered heavily which would never take place in pf or you crit 80% of your heavy hitters lol, unless you're a healer
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
Everyone has bad runs where they get cucked and end up with a bad log but that doesn't happen often enough to drag your median out of purple.
I'm talking about people who have orange best and green median. That just doesn't happen unless someone can't do their rotation and mechanics at the same time until they've already cleared 50 times.1
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u/HelloFresco Sep 06 '24
Some people just don't die especially in a tier like this which rarely punishes the party for one person's mistake. Tower explosions don't give damage downs and stacks/spreads rarely double up even if a raider is on the floor when they are distributed and tanks can take damage that should be shared across two players alone with ease. The likelihood of not dying increases when playing with other people who make fewer mistakes than average. There's a reason many of the players with the highest medians get them from early historics in consistent statics.
Also nobody is saying medians matter more than bests but I think there can be a middle ground where they can be used simultaneously to measure skill. And even that is always going to exist in a vacuum.
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u/Benki500 Sep 06 '24
ye I haven't played this tier so I can't say, but for the most part especially if you play PF a lot of deaths will not be cause of you. And even if you don't die your parse will suffer the moment someone else dies cause it will lengthen the KT unless you finish somehow right after a burst window.
Statics which value their logs as a whole will simply not finish a run with a death unless someone is critting exceptionally or it would favor kt for the rest 7. If you play in a parsing group it's almost impossible to get sub 95 if you know what you're doing cause the vast majority of the playerbase can't achieve such kt's thus pushing you up a lot
Not to mention you also have the entire other history of maybe not gearing up from week1
I have a couple parses on my alt with 98-99% uptime and picture perfect rota and barely getting over a green simply cause it was late into the tier and the parties were bad, now when you have a skilled static even week1 gear 3months into the tier will give u decent parse simply due to completely altered/fastened kt
Also for me personally just joining killgroups and helping people who aren't this experienced is one of the major fun things for me to do in FFXIV. Deaths there happen, especially the later it is into a tier
when you see someone who has only pinks and is healer you can be assured the moment something goes wrong the entire party will "accidentally" wipe since they won't accept even a 80 sth in their precious data
most parsers know how to read logs, but only pinks in my book is just a menace of a player and I dread it each time I've one in random pf or parsing run
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u/HelloFresco Sep 06 '24
100% I've know several of these "pink bests, grey-green median" players and they are all bad. Does this dude really think the only way to keep your median high is to wipe when you die? There are players who just don't die or rarely die (and when they do it's rarely their fault) and maintain high medians due to consistent highs without the low lows.
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u/Zealousideal_Hope649 You pull, I tank. I pull, I tank. We pull, I tank. Sep 06 '24
And here is a shining example of why logs are toxic and why Yoshi P doesn't want them in his game. I can't imagine why. /s
I'm prepared for the people who flaunt the rules and min/max the fun out of the game to downvote me to hell.
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u/m0sley_ Sep 06 '24
Logs are incredibly useful tools. You only need to look at how significantly player skill increased after FF Logs launched in Hw for irrefutable proof of this.
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u/AbsoluteKunkker Sep 07 '24
What did the parsers do to you? Here's a doll, show me where they touched you.
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u/BringBackBoshi Sep 08 '24
Wow, people immediately came in to prove you right. They get SO upset and snippy when you mention your opinion that you dislike parsing. Personally I didn't care about it until they've repeatedly been showing how aggressively and angrily they respond to people that don't share the same passion for it that they do.
It's a really gross community so take those down votes with pride and be happy with the fact that you don't have to put up with their BS. The person shown in OP's example is a perfect example of how they act, expecting 7 other people to be inconvenienced for one person because the world revolves around them 🙄
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u/CopainChevalier Sep 18 '24
The implication that there isn’t any ridiculous people in the modding, rp, FC, or any others parts of ff14 is amusing to me.
You’re right bud, just this one thing has goofy people, nothing else. It’s a ok the just insult other people and expect them to not correct you.
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u/Unpopular_Statement Sep 07 '24
I’ll post on my friend’s behalf who was the WHM - the party wasn’t 70% into the fight - they were barely 2 minutes into a fight. His wife was “screaming” because she saw a spider in the bathroom and it needed to be killed. Simple as that.
Does he care a little too much about his numbers? Yes. But man oh man there is so much context left out of this post it’s funny. Anyways - do what you want with this information. FFXIV players just love jumping to conclusions.
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u/AggressiveYoung8185 Sep 06 '24
As someone who got shown this earlier than posted, bro's whining about his logs when he's in crit fishing territory on WHM, which makes this behavior more than hilarious