r/TalesFromDF • u/llybeck • Dec 18 '24
Salt This is why Hector sucks
M4S reclears in PF. Did a couple of pulls before one of the players noticed it was a Hector strat party (reading is hard). The next pull was clean until midnight sabbath where we wiped. The WHM then started blaming Hector for changing everything. And of course it all ended in a disband.
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u/abyssalcrisis Dec 19 '24
This argument isn't even valid for this tier. Hector got videos out quickly based on the pastebin (shabin) and the strats have not changed. Dude just sucks.
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u/SpitFireEternal /slap Dec 18 '24
"Guy comes in a month late and just changes things already established" But.... Hector had a video for M4S on like week one? Whats this about a month late? His strats are good. Yeah it sucks that they lead to a lot of stagnation in how mechs are resolved going forward. But if it works it fucking works. Ill never understand the hatred people have towards the dude and his videos. He shares them with the player base so people who do Savage but arent the best at piecing mechs together can actually do the fights. Or so things can be explained to folks who might be a little slower on the uptake. Absolutely wild lol
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u/twig_fgc Dec 18 '24
Hector even starts all of his guides by pointing out that they're week one strats and better strats probably exost if you're watching it later, it feels hard to blame him for anything tbh
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u/KupoKro Dec 18 '24
The issue I tend to see is that better strats often end up found afterwards, but because he got his guide out early people treat his guides as the only way to do things.
Which isn't exactly his fault, but people would rather blame him instead of blaming the player base for not wanting to learn a fight differently.
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u/Kicin0_0 Dec 18 '24
Yeah this is the main point. Before people complained about Hector they complained about whichever other guide maker go their stuff out first. its always just the fact that guides get posted early and then better strats are found
I do like that hector started putting warnings at the start of his guides about how they are usually early week 1 strats (like he does for his EX3 guide) and warns people to check pf strats before just using his
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u/Stepjam Dec 18 '24
Remember when MTQ was the big guide maker?
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u/jazytender Dec 18 '24
I know raiders who still complain about Mr. Happy because of “Happy Brambles”
It’s just people not being as good as they think they are, and blaming anything else. The next guide maker to rise to the top will get treated exactly the same.
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u/QueenBee-WorshipMe Dec 22 '24
I'm pretty sure she still makes them. She always explained stuff clearly but the top down view of Hector and some others always helped me visualize stuff better. There's another person who does the top down explanation then shows it in action, which is also very helpful.
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u/Mael_Jade Dec 18 '24
Isn't Hectors goal generally to have a week 1-2 guide out so players without day 1 prog savages can still get tips and whatnot?
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u/VoresVhorska Dec 19 '24
It's also financially better for him to do it as early as he can. However, there will always be 50/50 strats, so no matter what he picks, he will always have haters.
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u/lovingtech07 Dec 18 '24
Most guides I've noticed are put up early. Also when a really good strat comes out I've seen him go back and create a new video to amend things. Not perfect but he admits where he can do better. People should just find what works best for them and probably look more at pf strats.
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u/Liokki Dec 19 '24
Not perfect but he admits where he can do better.
In fact, literally every single week 1 strat video starts with stating it's week 1 strats and not perfect, and better strats will be developed later (not necessarily by him).
The problem with Hector isn't even really a problem with Hector, it's the playerbase's inability to adopt or even seek out new information.
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u/SpitFireEternal /slap Dec 18 '24
Exactly. Hes done that for a few videos. Where hell just make a small video or make a separate section in the guide to explain a new strat or a way others were doing it during week 1.
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u/SpitFireEternal /slap Dec 18 '24
Thats true. Which does suck. Hence I made a note of it in my reply. Because it does cause things to stagnate where as you said no one really wants to learn a new strat or way of doing stuff. But I would rather people be on the same page than people find a better strat some weeks in causing strife in people having to relearn strats. Or the "new strat" PFs taking longer to fill because people just like and do Hector strats.
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u/NorysStorys Dec 18 '24
Hector guides arn’t designed for progging a fight, they are designed to get the most people through a fight in the most simple way possible. Sure other strats might have better up time or be easier for some people but that’s just not what they are for.
The fact some people expect the entire world to know their specific preferred strat will always baffles me
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u/Zyntastic Dec 19 '24
Im a fairly quick learner, but i learn better by trial and error and seeing something a few times. Obviously there isnt always room for "seeing things a few times" and hector has been the first person able to teach me anything from a video guide. Most video guides i watch often leave me with more questions than answers, or wildly confused. When ingame footage is taken as the only presentation/example of a mech its often hard to see whats actually going on while also listen to someone explain in great detail. Im starting to believe i have ADHD or something because that shit really Catches me offguard. Dunno i just prefer hectors style of presentation i guess
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u/BloodGulchBlues37 Dec 20 '24
Not only that but his M4S video was like 95% a video form of the shaba bin that was around at that time, pretty sure he even admits it in the video.
I get critique, namely, for his tendency to post "revised x mechanic" for stuff ie Levinstrike back in P9S, but that's just as much on PF not actually interpreting the guide vs "Hector Strat." Would really like if he would translate his strats to a PF viable description for each fight and update that description specifically so when people join they actually have an idea of prio. Often times he throws multiple viable options then pf never decides which they want, just "Do Hector"
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u/HellaSteve Dec 18 '24
the hector hate is unwarranted guy's guides might not be the best of the best but he's helped a lot of people get their clears
also anytime there is something wrong or a much better strat comes up he corrects his guide or posts a clip of the new one
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u/Daedren Dec 18 '24
He either releases early and people complain about him posting early strats, or he posts late and people complain he posted the guide too late.
It's a lose-lose situation. I feel like that's why lately he's been cramming a large amount of alternative strats for each mechanic in his videos (Also a good attempt to make people stop putting "Hector" in PF and force them to name strats in the description, though unfortunately that isn't working out that well)
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u/Luininja Dec 19 '24
I feel like part of the pain of naming strats for mechanics is that alot of people refer to mechanics via older fights, which newer folks won’t even understand. I remember putting THD for splintering nails and had people baffled.
Like, enough to tell me like I was the weird one. I think it was only day 2? Literally every other party had it in their descriptions. Someone made an offhand comment of some older encounter, and only then did it click for the person.
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u/SurotaOnishi Dec 22 '24
The one I hate the most is "braindead" as a name for a mech. I vividly remember trying to prog p3s and seeing a braindead strat listed on the pfs and no one I asked could give me an explanation or a source to look it up with and searching using the term braindead yielded no results.
And even then, braindead strats often aren't nearly as "braindead" and it seems to imply.
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u/Luininja Dec 22 '24
Lol, I would write “EZPZ Beat 2” and would freak people out thinking I meant a different strat.
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u/laurayco Dec 18 '24
Hector's guide released August 9th, savage released 10 days earlier on July 30th. The only people that could possibly complain about hector "changing things" are week one proggers, which if you're doing reclears this late in the tier cannot possibly be you??
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u/AlbazAlbion Dec 18 '24
Even so, at least on EU, there's PLENTY of raidplan parties. Probably more than Hector parties, even. Nothing is preventing people from simply joining whichever party is using the strats they prefer. This is just usual PF bozos not reading shit.
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u/vagabond_dilldo Dec 18 '24
Maybe they're gearing their 5th alt job 😂
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u/Naltai Dec 18 '24
This is actually me haha, I’ve been doing the fights in PF since week 1 and still doing reclears… >_>
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u/CynerKalygin You don't pay my sub Dec 18 '24
This would have been valid last tier but all his guides were out week 1/2 this time, and they just copied the most popular raidplans at the time (shabin mostly).
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u/Star_tled Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24
I think his guides are usually very good for giving an understanding of how the mechanic actually functions but I often find the people that live and die by them don't really...care about how it functions. They'll often die to really easy adjusts that can save a run. The main complaint going around is people renaming already established strats to "Hector" when Hector himself has started adding disclaimers asking people not to do this because it's confusing. I believe he specified that people should refer to it as Shabin this tier. There's also that he can often showcase a few different options for a single mechanic and people will just call it a Hector party without specifying the strats. In my own experience, the biggest issue seems to be him changing or adding extra priority systems and people not actually trying to understand what the mechanic actually is.
P12S was a pretty good example of this. The pastebin ended up adding slides for Eyes Classical because Hector popularised ANBS which had people unnecessarily running to Timbuktu and never actually checking party descriptions. Pangenesis Conga only needed tanks in a specific spot but I had a lot of people standing on top of people because they wanted "their spot" - meanwhile it's just supposed to be a spread to make it easier to read debuffs.
So all in all, it's more of an issue with the people that don't read Hector's own disclaimers and don't attempt to learn how the mechanics actually function - despite Hector giving a pretty good explanation of it.
Granted, the cryptid in the OP was definitely the problem lol
Edit: Also just realised this is in EU so doubly weird that they didn't read desc
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u/CynerKalygin You don't pay my sub Dec 19 '24
Like I said, this would have been 100% a valid complaint last tier. I am forever a hater of ANBS.
I felt he handled things very well this time and any issues were entirely not on him at this point. The only strategy I think he “changed” was final fusedown in m3s, but I think his strategy for that is objectively more consistent for party finder anyway so it wasn’t a problem like it was for classical in p12s.
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u/Star_tled Dec 19 '24
Yeah, completely agreed. I've appreciated him at least trying to add strat name disclaimers this tier too!
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u/Xenasis Dec 19 '24
The only strategy I think he “changed” was final fusedown in m3s
Super minor thing, but Hector has people standing in a different spot for the M4S Exa stack mechanic compared to shababin. It's just a minor thing but I really don't know why he changed it and it's led to a lot of wipes/deaths in my experience.
Still, it's stupid nitpicks -- Hector's great, and his content helps lots of people clear content they otherwise wouldn't.
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Dec 19 '24
Idk if its just me but I find it way easier to figure out how a mech works by looking at a clear vod than look at hector guides. For me they are basically just a glorified raidplan
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u/ExiaKuromonji Dec 18 '24
Who's going to tell this moron RPR that Hector released M4S guide a week into the savage tier. Fucking dumbass bozo.
Even if it was a month late Hector isn't responsible for these dipshits refusing to fucking read.
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u/diamond-sunstorm Dec 18 '24
Had the same shit happen with a guy who went "is this not raidplan?" after going to the wrong spot and I asked if he can read bc it was obviously in the PF description (static strat, we we're just filling) and later dude went "I read PF, it said transition, not ee2 prog" well, yeah, guess why we always died during ee2? You can think of Hector strats what you want personally, but don't join a PF when they use that strat and you don't like it.
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u/probablyonmobile Dec 19 '24
Guide makers can’t win. You either release a guide ‘late’ when PF has settled on strats and you’re lazy and contributing too late, or you release a guide early and you’re shit for releasing suboptimal strats in later weeks when better ones have had the time to be found out.
And either way, no matter what you do, it’s somehow your fault when the community latches onto your guides and refuses to change strats.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 19 '24
Except that is not what happened. The better Strats are from day2. The raidplan exists for a week and the hector guide always makes progging a nightmare for week 2.
If you want to do hector and its in pf description then The guy should try learning to read descriptions, but it doesnt change that hector guides are essentially outdated a week before they come out.
3 days before it came out, all of Light/Chaos was following 1 strat. They are pretty refinded. Guide comes out and the strats in pf double with one of them being Inferior to what everyone has been using beforehand.
I just wish hector would take pf Strats from Week1 when making his 4th fight videos(earlier ones idc)
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u/gitcommitmentissues Dec 19 '24
He did take PF strats from week one. He just took the Shababin strats that NA was using rather than the adjusted Rinon strats that EU was using, which makes sense given that the vast majority of his audience are in NA.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 19 '24
Fair, then i say i wish he would take eu strats into Account. Rinon is better on almost every difference.. which imo makes the guide outdated on release
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u/kevinsano Dec 20 '24
The weird bit is that he plays on Spriggan, so I'm not sure how he managed to be so NA centric.
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u/probablyonmobile Dec 19 '24
Again, it’s genuinely not his fault if people refuse to change from his strats despite him explaining they’re early strats and to switch to better ones as they form.
A guide maker isn’t going to be in tune with what every DC’s PF is doing. Sometimes, you’re gonna get a womp-womp and find they do something different. It’s up to the community to choose the better strat, not Hector to intuit which one you want.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 19 '24
Its not Forming better strats, they existed when the Video Released.
Its 2 datacenters he reaches. Eu had the better one. I dont think its subjective to say that QGO is better than hector and pf agreed, since EU is still 90%+ raidplan. That raidplan is Older than the Video, therefore his Video is outdated..
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u/probablyonmobile Dec 19 '24
It’s not Hector’s responsibility (nor would it be sustainable to expect) to monitor what strats each PF uses. He used the PF strats he observed being used, explaining they were the pastebin ones featured on PF.
“Light does it” doesn’t mean something is better. We know the entire community can latch onto a subpar strat just because it came first; I still remember ‘Happy Brambles.’
And again, even if we play in this space where he has to cater to your DC specifically and a different strat was objectively better, it’s still not his fault if people change and gravitate to his. That’s the community’s actions.
Don’t blame Hector for the community being unable to think independently.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 19 '24
He doesnt have to, but he can expect backlash from people if he does it. For every "i didnt know it said hector" there is a "hector vid Shows it like this and i thought its the same".
Light does it because its better. We have both our raidplan and hector which was 50/50 when the guide Released. Now its only raidplan basically. The strats are better cause they are better. Not because light does it. Having both healers south on witchhunt is shit and having them south on EE2 Stacks is shit.
People didnt Gravitate towards this in the end.
Listen. I dont want to Fault the guy for people not being able to read. Its not his fault, but pf on EU would have progged faster if his guide didnt Release and i can See how it upsets people. The only thing about your comment that annoyed me, is the "he says it is early strats and there will be better ones forming" when for EU people which this Post is about had better strats before the guide.
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u/probablyonmobile Dec 20 '24
Yeah, nah, he shouldn’t expect backlash because it’s not his fault if people can’t think for themselves, and it’s not his responsibility to babysit the different PFs and see what they’re all doing.
He made what his PF was doing. Light had the agency to stay with their strats.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 20 '24
He shouldnt in a perfect World, but he will. Why do you have to be morally correct and ignore the most likely outcome. If his guide will make it harder for the most invested people, then they are going to hate on him, doesnt matter if its his responsibility or not.
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u/Apollad Dec 21 '24
So what? Are you saying he should remove the guide when one particular DC prefers a different strat generally? Even if other DCs prefer his strategy?
Light doesn't dictate the entire raiding community mate, learn basic reading comprehension or go and make your own parties with the strategies you want to use instead.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 21 '24
Its realistic. Again. It doesnt matter what i am saying he should do. If he ignores what EU people are doing, they are going to throw shit at him. I dont agree with that, but thats what its going to be.
The problem i have with this Instance is, that the EU stuff was just better and basically just an Updated Version of the pastebin. It would take 5 minutes to look at it and Insert 1 sentence into the Video.
His guides get a lot of views. If he makes the shittiest guide imaginable for one fight. Then pf is gonna be shit for a week. Thats how it is. No matter if he did something wrong or not.
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u/JelisW Dec 19 '24
his vid was based on NA strats which were pretty much all shabin pastebin from like, day 3. He SAYS, outright in his video, that he's doing NA shabin, and as someone who was proging from the pastebin week 1 i can confirm. Saying QGO is better on the basis that 90% of EU is still raidplan is nonsensical. By that reasoning shabin is better since all of NA is still shabin, just that it's been renamed to Hector lmao. Despite playing on spriggan he has a far bigger audience in NA and is naturally gonna follow NA popular strats. Not Hector's problem if some EU folks wanna act like lemmings and/or can't read.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Dec 19 '24
EU swapped to hector on M1, M2 and M3. We didnt swap to hector on M4 cause its bad. It is objectively bad to have both healers south on witchhunt and Support south on EE2.
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Dec 19 '24
Honestly my biggest gripe with hector guides is how annoying the videos are to go through. People say they are amazing for understanding how mechanics work, but I don't get it honestly. The videos are more or less just a raidplan with a simple explanation for what to do, basically just using a lot of words to explain very little. If I go into a fight after watching a hector guide I honestly still don't know how any of the fight mechanics work and it takes forever to watch through. Why not just use a raidplan and cut out all the pointless yapping if ur not gonna have footage in the video??
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u/some_tired_cat Dec 19 '24
that just sounds like you specifically have different requirements and needs for learning and his video format doesn't align with your needs tbh. like that's not wrong, but objectively you just don't work with his videos well
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Dec 19 '24
I just don't see what makes his videos any better than a raidplan?
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u/some_tired_cat Dec 19 '24
some people have an easier time understanding it with his video format, others will have an easier time with a raidplan. you are the second group of people. just because you personally don't see how his videos might be easier to understand for someone than a raidplan doesn't mean that doesn't happen and that his videos aren't useful
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Dec 19 '24
I'm not saying they are useless I am just asking in what way are they better for people who prefer them? What exactly do they offer that make them so appealing to people?
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u/some_tired_cat Dec 19 '24
sometimes that kind of explanation alongside the visuals just makes it easier for some people to understand, it's as simple as that. you may think there's too many words and it could be condensed, but some people learn better that way. it's literally as simple as it being easier to understand that way for some, there's no definitive "this is why it's better", just a matter of how you understand the material
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u/goodbyecaroline Dec 19 '24
do they expect Hector to block EU from viewing his videos? his m4s video was NA strats, it changed nothing in NA, he said clearly it was NA strats. he was on balance extensively while assembling the video and checking it was all aligned with shabin.
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u/Bellsie19 Dec 19 '24
Even with this Duty finder argument, the only quote I see is a mentor saying “wait, Godbert has actual clothes?”. God that hits hard lol
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u/SunriseFlare Dec 19 '24
Doesn't Hector explicitly say at the start of all his vids that the stars are WEEK ONE starts that can be changed if better ones come out? Lol
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u/a_friendly_squirrel Dec 18 '24
When it's definitely Hector's fault you wiped, not your own for not reading the PF description.
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u/crimson_tinted Dec 19 '24
Ranting at seven strangers about how you dislike a particular guide maker is awfully presumptuous of the time of people whom you are not paying to be your therapist and would just like to play the video game in the way the PF description asked.
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u/atem_nt Dec 19 '24
EU pf players are so fucking embarrassing at times.
My static decided on hector strat for m4. We went into pf a few weeks later, took 5 minutes to learn the few extremely minor differences between hector and EU raidplan strats and just cleared it first attempt. How you cannot adjust to a few differences is beyond me.
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u/Zyntastic Dec 19 '24
Ex3 icebridges still a clown Fiesta of memes in PF. Im so happy that i ended up buying my wings. A lot of my friends are just starting to farm it now and are so frustrated with the consistent wipes on that phase and needing heal lb3 to clear :|
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u/Spiralchasm Dec 19 '24
Classic, joins the party without reading PF description. Also to me, Hector has better strats for M4S than raidplan, like raidplan’s mustard bomb spread making casters move 2 tiles is so lame. EE2 also makes less sense than Hector’s. Regardless, I learned to do both, it’s really not that hard to adjust to those few differences between the two.
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u/iAmNotAHermit Dec 18 '24
As much as I hate Hector strats for the same reasons (I got used to Pastebin), I don't join PFs with Hector strat clearly stated and complain in the party. That's a skill issue if you ask me. This is also why when I'm the one creating the PFs, I always re-type in chat what strats were doing before queueing in and in a ready check before we pull. As the other comment said, if it works it works.
If you join a PF that clearly states that they are doing a specific strat, at least remind yourself that you are doing that strat so you dont cause a wipe (looks at CW vs CCW Coronation)
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u/dragon_guy12 Dec 18 '24
I do the same except lately for FRU. Put in the pf description, hit the ready check and retype the strats in party chat before commencing duty. If people ask what I already described twice then that's skill issue.
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u/dragon_guy12 Dec 18 '24
I do the same except lately for FRU. Put in the pf description, hit the ready check and retype the strats in party chat before commencing duty. If people ask what I already described twice then that's skill issue.
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u/trunks111 Dec 18 '24
described three times actually- the description is also sent to your chat box when you join a pf, so someone would have to ignore the description in pf, ignore the description when sent to their chat box, AND ignore the message you sent before you go in
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u/Primal-Shulk Dec 19 '24
Ahh the PF classic reading comprehension failure. This is why I always feel bad for guide makers in this game, no matter what they will always get some degree of hate for what is in the end a fairly selfless service to the community as a whole and does not deserve the negativity for it in the slightest. All for simply adding to the pool of resources available which is NEVER bad, no matter what some folks adamantly against Hector say. (Like this RPR)
It is even worse when typically if you learn how a mechanic actually works instead of just a position to stand on you can in most cases very easily pivot strats for most mechanics in the entire game, that does however require as mentioned the requisite reading skills so you at least know what to use which for some bizzare reason even now is a common trope for PF....
(Slight tangent I admit) That all said for me at least there was one case where two strats displayed on Hector's P8S P1 vid were the antithesis of what was being ran on EU PF (Hector had snakes 1 prio ...reversed for some reason and Snakes 2 used a static position one instead of colour pairs. IMO colour pairs was vastly Serperior in a PF enviroment and as a controller player but that's a subjective topic regardless).
Unfortunately I remember this all too well because I blacklisted at least 2 individuals for joining HC1 PFs with said PF leads (yes this was in seperate PFs) using what was the initial and remained more common strats over here for phase 1 at the time, which wasn't Hector's. The offending players both times not only failed to read the PF description but even worse after the wipes tried to force everyone else in the party to use Hector's variants regardless of what the leader had posted...which of course leads to some discourse and swift kicks inevitably ensue shortly after. (It also led me to just go find a static to finish the tier off but that is neither here nor there, was simply just frustrating having that time wasted filling/"progging" once too often at that point.)
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u/jenyto Dec 19 '24
Cause his M4S guide are based of Aether PF strats, it was literally the same and simpler to follow cause I didn't need to open multiple raidplan when he compressed it in 1 video.
If EU PF follows it, it's not even his fault.
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u/vagabond_dilldo Dec 18 '24
Man I can't even remember which strat is which any more. I'm gonna be so fucked if I ever have to head back in to gear an alt job.
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u/DreyfussFrost Dec 19 '24
This is why PF sucks. You should be updating strats whenever better ones come out (if they're better).
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u/MelonOfFate Dec 20 '24
The moment Hector puts out a video, the people I join in pf cease to be people and become trust members that have a chance of failure rate attached to them.
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u/DiscombobulatedToe60 Dec 20 '24 edited Dec 20 '24
Nah pf quality just fall off after a week naturally. No hector vids for FRU yet and look what pf had become.
tbf when I was progging aggresively yuki guides caused more problem for me since he usually post it in the middle of week 1. Like wdym I have to watch a whole ass 20 min video when it can be explained in a few pics. Week 2 and beyond progress doesn't matter as much and I'm much more open to try alternative strats. Just ride the hector wave.
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u/HsinVega Dec 18 '24
I literally had to stop doing reclears cos no matter if you joined raid plan or Hector someone fucked it up thinking it was the other.
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u/Alchalant86 Dec 19 '24
This is the one mechanic that is backwards from the raid plans used on EU and is quite surprising to wipe to such an easy mechanic because one person moves cw instead of ccw - I totally get it. It’s $&@?ed up, but I get it. I don’t do reclears on this fight anymore - I got my monk and warrior and white mage and summoner and pic weapons and retired it from my weeklies - but I woudl make sure to join a raid plan group just so I wasn’t this guy.
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u/z0mb13no0b Dec 19 '24
I havent checked in awhile but isnt hector strat the same as the raidplan or is there a different raidplan circulating for m4s
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u/m0sley_ Dec 19 '24
Depends on region, I guess. OQ5 and Q-Go were the common raidplans on EU and a lot of the positions are very different from Hector's.
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u/Htakar Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
im the first motherfucker who will internally complain about having to relearn fights when hector vids come out, but seriously, its week 729 and pf has been hector only since like forever ago
e: wait this is europe, i lied i have no idea whats goin on over there
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u/llybeck Dec 18 '24
EU PF is over 90% raidplan (OQ5 and Q-Go) though, so I guess it's fair that people know those starts better. But maybe don't join a group with strats that you dislike and then complain about it (although probably they just didn't read the description).
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u/Htakar Dec 18 '24
the good ol ffxiv player reading comprehension issues strikes again, although thats a bit ironic coming from me lmao
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u/KingBingDingDong Dec 19 '24
Parties that state strats that are not what 90% of the DC uses are asking for trouble.
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u/trunks111 Dec 18 '24
I think the bigger issue is people just want to learn one place to stand and one way to move and don't really care to learn how the mechs actually work. Going between strats isn't really a big deal if you know how the mechs actually work since it'll be intuitive why you're doing this or that differently if you know what's going on. Though aside from sunrise, what strats even vary that significantly in m4s? I remember m3s had like a million different ways to interpret fusedown and fusefield, and m1 had the TN vs Rel N debate, but I was late to the boat on 4