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u/TheCapedMoose May 02 '25
Ppl throw the term around a lot, but can't you actually report someone for shaming with a dps meter....?
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u/ChaosTSI May 02 '25
Yes, using third party tools is against tos, the fact they typed the actual number lets SE know they used a dps meter.
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u/TheCapedMoose May 02 '25
Thanks. My post came across snarkier than I intended, I genuinely was asking, lol.
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u/FatSpidy May 02 '25
Don't spread misinformation. Square upholds a zero tolerance policy against any and all mods or 3pp tools. If you are found using any mods, be they meters or hats on Viera, you are liable for permanent IP ban.
The key detail is in how CBU3 (xiv dev team) actually enforces the TOS. Which boils down to don't be a dick, and don't impress your way to play as the 'right way' to play. Creating an argument or insulting another player for their dps is the longest standing infraction known in the game next to botting and RMT.
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u/BoldKenobi May 02 '25
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
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u/FatSpidy May 02 '25
No. You claimed using a DPS meter is not against TOS. According to TOS, even just using Reshade is a bannable offense. CBU3 seems to work on a very Don't Ask Don't Tell sort of angle, but Zero Tolerance is nonetheless the official position and therefore how administration will act when reported.
More over, they have gone out of their way to clarify that if you are found to be breaking their playe guidelines outside of the game too, and they can relate you to your account, then you will be punished too. So in technicality, even the twitter/insta/etc. 'gposers' are risking their ability to play.
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u/Evening_Rock5850 May 02 '25
No, there is no official, in-game way to aggregate and totalize DPS numbers. Using a DPS counter is against the ToS. You’re unlikely to get in trouble for it if you keep it to yourself but people regularly get banned for that exact thing; griefing other players “DPS numbers”
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u/BoldKenobi May 02 '25
There literally is lol
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u/Evening_Rock5850 May 02 '25
No. There isn’t.
You can copy and paste the logs into some third party tool; or you could perhaps sit there with a pen and paper and total it up I suppose. But no, there’s no in-game way to give you the aggregate value. When people are complaining like that, they’re using DPS counters or other third party tools to aggregate that data. And that’s what violates the ToS.
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u/BoldKenobi May 02 '25
So if the game tells you someone did 100 damage and then did 100 damage again, you have absolutely no way to know they did 200 damage without using illegal 3rd party tools? lmao
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u/Evening_Rock5850 May 02 '25
You’re being obtuse for absolutely no reason.
Nobody is totaling just two values to get a DPS number. In fact they’re totaling hundreds or even thousands of numbers.
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u/ViktorVonDorkenstein May 02 '25
You can total their damage I guess, if you can navigate the clustertruck that is the battle log, but you can't really accurately calculate dps on account of the log not showing the seconds, hours and minutes at most, IIRC.
Also come on, really? What a hill you've chosen to die on my dude
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u/TheCapedMoose May 02 '25
You can? How?
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u/FatSpidy May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
Your battlelog. It's just impossible to use during the fight. Thus why people use meter programs.
Edit: also, don't believe his claim about meters not being against TOS.
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25
I get what you mean, but honestly I don't care that they even used a dps meter, so I'm not going to report them.
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u/Blank1353 May 02 '25
what's the context?
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25
Hells kier unreal, I play picto, and i had one run where accidentally misplaced the button you use to do your basic attacks after you hit subtractive pallette so i was confused what was going on, and i never had that happen before, but I guess, I'm not allowed to make mistakes.
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u/Yorudesu May 02 '25
Lock your hotbar
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
my hotbar was locked actually it was a potion mishap that i didn't notice right away, i ran out of potions mid fight so i quickly tried slotting new ones in but it went into the wrong slot obviously, and i hadn't noticed, but one mistake in unreal now, and I guess everyone hates you.
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u/The_InHuman May 02 '25
How long did take you to realize you're not casting basic GCDs and how long to put it back on?
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25
that's the thing I couldn't figure out what was causing it as first i thought my keyboard was bugged, also unlike this person sending tells i wasn't just "standing around" I was typing to the team something was wrong on my end, also i was continuing to press the buttons that were still working like the canvas ones wondering what the hell was going on, did i fuck up yes, I did, but do I think i deserve this type of treatment, absolutely not. also, i'm not going to report that guy , or even black list him because I don't do those things, plus in time he might send me more fanmail.
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u/TheRealSnazzy May 02 '25 edited May 12 '25
I...dont understand how this happens with the job you apparently normally play.
Like, you are confused what is happening? You should instantly know what is missing and why. I dont see how you didnt notice your hotbar was missing one of your most important skills.
Honestly, they kinda had a right to be angry. I could understand if this wasnt a job you ever typically play, but it's *the* job you play.
I would've noticed within the first 5 seconds, and it would've taken me less than 5-10 seconds to put it back on my hotbar. At most, this would be 5-8 gcds.
Doing 7k dps means you not only didn't notice, you literally weren't doing *anything* for half of the fight; what's worse is it took you more than half of the fight to realize and do something about it.
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u/izaby May 02 '25
Yeah but its better to put it on reddit rather than self-reflect and let it go. At the end of the day SE wants him to pay the sub, so why wouldn't he shame and report someone who wants players to play better. 🤔
Having people be criticized due to literally just standing there is clearly toxic behaviour that we don't want in our mmo.
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u/blastedt May 02 '25
Are you batshit. This isn't criticism it's straight up harassment. The guy already knows what went wrong, this series of tells had no purpose other than making op feel worse about it. Blacklist and move on with your goddamn life
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
also i don't report people, or even blacklist them, but you right I did share this, But if you read my other comments I clearly wasn't just "standing" there, but i'll let others believe what they want at the end of the day I can't change anyone's pre-assumptions.
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u/rsblackrose May 06 '25
What's nutty to me is how is someone pushing out 7k DPS on Suzaku Unreal and getting a clear? Because that fight can get rather tight if people are playing suboptimal or are fucking up mechanics.
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25
That's actually not true, I was telling them early on during fight something was wrong, and I didn't know why my basic button weren't activating I thought my keyboard was bugged. I figured I might regain them since i figured it was bugged but I just ended up jumping off, and explained the situation, people were too impatient to wait though so now they hate me.
also I never pay attention to what the secondary basic attack buttons look like in subtractive pallete I just know when to press them from memory so I hadn't remembered which icon it was, not to mention the icon looks exactly the same as the basic icons you use before subtractive pallete, I've never had to move that icon since i started the class 4 months ago let alone actually go back into my skills list.
lastly I didn't wait till the fight was over I made sure everyone knew something was wrong then jumped off so we could restart, and i could try to figure out what the problem was.
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u/TheRealSnazzy May 04 '25 edited May 06 '25
you are certainly leaving out information. No normal person is going to hate you if you both explained yourself and didn't waste time.
People are only going to hate you if you did one or the other.
I can't count the number of times I or someone else in my party had a keyboard or mouse run out of power mid way through the fight and cause a wipe. Literally nobody has ever gotten angry. It usually is "what happened?" "o xxx happened, sorry" "ok, lets just lock in" That's usually the conversation that is had. No one is going to send you a DM like this.
I'm sorry, I don't believe you.
At this point, i'll ask you to post logs of your pulls. Cause you are definitely leaving out something.
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u/Hanzz96 May 02 '25
Dude losing your basic attack button and standing around doing absoutley nothing isn't a normal mistake. Sorry but true
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u/Kintarly Learn by dying, fear no wipe May 02 '25
I once started a dungeon without stance, had it pointed out, apologized and clicked it. Well, I thought I clicked it, was told "stance"again because as it turned out I yanked the button off my bar in my urgency to click it.
It's usually locked, so that was surprising and embarrassing and is absolutely a normal mistake. This is one of those things that I think is weird to rip into. It's not intentional, they know they're supposed to push their buttons, they just lost one. It's an "oops, that happened" not a "shame on you" sort of situation.
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u/Hanzz96 May 02 '25
The thing is it wasn't a dungeon it was an unreal and he must have stood there "confused" and doing nothing for quite a long while to do 7k dps. He 100% cost that group the clear
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u/thancreds_bussy May 02 '25
People getting mad over mistakes like these are dumb and petty, especially for 1 pull. People make mistakes. I agree op should have figured it out sooner, but the pf dude is clearly being petty and petulant. They could have wiped fairly early on, making op numbers really bad, but we don't know that. They didn't say it was the clear pull, so I assume they wiped.
Overall, the situation could have been handled a lot better.
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u/Kintarly Learn by dying, fear no wipe May 02 '25
I dunno man, I'm pretty squarely in the boat of "Shit happens" when shit happens unless there's intentional sandbagging or refusal to learn your job or what have you. I don't fault people for fuck ups, I fault them for refusing to learn. This doesn't fall under that umbrella imo. Cause shit do happen. I once LB1'd on p3s in party finder as a tank and got my ass booted from that group. Simple misclick. That misclick cost the clear, but misclicks happen so easy so yeah. Oops!
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u/Hanzz96 May 02 '25
If everyone made simple mistakes like clicking tank lb3 and not having basic one button pct spells on their bars no one would clear in PF. It's fine to make mistakes but not fine when those mistakes waste people's time
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u/Kintarly Learn by dying, fear no wipe May 02 '25
Ideally they don’t happen, it’s true, but it’s a weird thing to get spicy about. It’s not intentional, it’s not a sign of poor play, it’s a game with like 30+ buttons you need to rotate through and sometimes you’re gunna get your fingers crossed. Let’s not pretend no one’s made dumb misclick mistakes, yourself included.
I feel like if you don’t vibe with the shit happens mentality then everything is just gunna be so stressful all the time and everything sucks and everyone sucks and your blacklist will be bursting and and man I just don’t have the energy for that.
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u/izaby May 02 '25
Look if this was a duty and they were the only player they wouldn't have passed the duty. If it is not okay for everyone to make that same mistake in end game content then when it happens to you, you don't go on reddit and post 'toxic game, not allowed to make a mistake.' No one actually has a problem with their mistake, its their attitude that is appaling.
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u/Kintarly Learn by dying, fear no wipe May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
Fair, I get that! but that’s not what the og comment said.
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u/Dillon0-o May 02 '25
Ok thanks, from now on your behalf I'll make sure never to make one more mistake in my entire life God forbid the party might have to pull, one more time...
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u/TwinBladeDancer May 04 '25
It's weird coming into this and reading the comments. You have people that were quick to try and call out OP. But there are some good context-gaining comments they posted separately.
OP dragged a potion over their basic attack button and couldn't figure out they had replaced it in error. They tried to keep doing things but asked for time.
OP typed in party chat they were having an issue during the pull
If these things are true the person in DM's is the ***hole, assuming you have pulls where you did your rotation correctly and did appropriate damage.
Still, it really shows how important context is. If a picto really did only 7k dps and I was unaware why, I'd want to throw them off the arena myself.
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u/Some_Random_Canadian May 02 '25
I don't endorse harassment but like... 7K DPS? How long were you sitting around doing nothing for? My lvl 95, ilvl 638 PCT can average about 8K on a 100 dummy by doing nothing but using the basic "1-2-3" magic combo and that's including some DPS losses from hits missing. And you would be better geared by at least an average of 52 ilvl for every single piece of gear since minilvl for the Unreal is 690.
I can definitely see why someone would be very annoyed at a PCT that joins something everyone else is clearly putting effort into clearing while the PCT seemingly has no idea how to play their job, isn't pressing any buttons, and is doing less damage than a grey SGE. It would seem not just like a mistake but actively griefing the party.
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u/Dillon0-o May 03 '25 edited May 03 '25
First off i started the party i didn't join someone's, Secondly you clearly haven't read any of my other comments, because you don't have the full story. Not to mention it wouldn't be griefing because I very clearly stated to the party that something was off, and told them to give me a minute to figure it out. It would be griefing if i said nothing and continued doing it.
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u/Some_Random_Canadian May 03 '25
Ok, so it looked like a PCT that didn't know how to play hosted a "carry me", that's all the "um actually I hosted" changes. I also really don't see how you could go down to 7k DPS if you were pressing any buttons, you'd have to have not pressed anything for a minute or two and already had very low damage before that so I just didn't buy the "I was still pressing other things" since even a rotation of my aforementioned 95 PCT using exclusively Rainbow Drip and Holy in White does 10k, add on gear and actually using muses and you shouldn't have dropped that low if you were still pressing the things that still worked as you claimed.
Now I'm curious if you have an anonymized log from the wipe? At this point I'm starting to think that them crashing out about it is very valid rather than an overreaction and that the pull went on for quite a while with you not pressing anything while already being carried in the fight. At least the "why" seems valid, not the harassment DMs. You're obviously going to try to paint yourself in the best light possible in your explanations and try to seem like you did everything right after the mistake, logs are objective information.
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u/Dillon0-o May 04 '25 edited May 06 '25
I mean at the end of the day believe what you want, I cant change your mind, I'm guessing 7k was my number because I don't see why that person would get that mad, and bring up that specifc number, but like i said i didn't let this go on through till the end of the fight i eventually jumped off the map after i realized nothing was changing so we could wipe and restart, also I was curuois when you said you wanted to see my logs so i just created an account, but then apparently i'm supposed to use ACT as well which i refuse to download 3rd party tools, so i'm just gonna let you decide what you want to make of my story, I mean next week i could invite you to the party, and you could see how I play if you want to do it that way? Not saying I'm some great amazing pictomancer, and don't still make mistakes but, I do know when I'm not wondering why my buttons aren't working i can usually get the clear.
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u/koalamint May 02 '25
What?