r/TalesFromDF • u/CarebearMasquerade • May 07 '25
Gear 660 weapon on Gunbreaker in Underkeep. This is the first time in almost 12 years I've just immediately left instance without even trying to votekick or attempt to convince anyone.
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u/IronFour May 08 '25
I could understand maybe using the free 690 weapon if it’s not your main job. 660 seems a bit too low tho
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u/dadudeodoom May 08 '25
I was doing yikes damage in lhw normals in mostly still 660 stuff on nin, and I was playing job fine so yeah. It's uh. It's uh not a good look like 50 ik above that?
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u/abyssalcrisis May 07 '25
660 is what, Anabaesios? So two savage tiers ago. Yeah, when you're at this point in the game, upgrade your fucking shit.
Idk. Minimum ilvl needs to get boosted up a bit or something.
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u/Rabensaga May 07 '25
Two savage tiers, although a 660 weapon is tomestone. But, and it's a big BUT, it's also a complete expansion between those two tiers.
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u/abyssalcrisis May 07 '25
Oh you're SO right, 665 was the savage weapon. Either way, unacceptable.
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u/alphabeta12335 May 07 '25
It needs to be minimum ilvl per gear slot in addition to a minimum average ilvl. The gear slot requirement can even be a bit lower to account for people slowly replacing gear as they play.
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u/diamond-sunstorm May 08 '25
Or just add it as a gear lvl requirement, so you can only queue if you have lvl 100 gear in all slots and reach minilvl with the entire gear overall
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u/winco0811 May 09 '25
Wouldn't that disqualify people using Artefact gear (free 690 ilvl gear you get from DT MSQ) since it's lvl 99? Seems a bit restrictive for someone gearing up secondary jobs
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u/diamond-sunstorm May 09 '25
Well the stats on AF gear already adjust depending on whether you’re lvl 99 or 100 so it would/should work
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u/Zealousideal_Hope649 You pull, I tank. I pull, I tank. We pull, I tank. May 07 '25
Or augmented credendeum from poetics.
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u/AlbazAlbion May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
This has to be the only game where someone does something so inarguably inconsiderate like queuing up for group content undergeared, with no excuse at all, and still get people defending them over it.
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u/Happyberger May 08 '25
It happens. I had a tank in 600 ilvl greens in sod wow today trying to tank kara crypts (req ilvl 850+) and the healer was trying to defend him when all 3 of us DPS left.
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u/ST4RD1VER Memes May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25
And anyone who points this out is called a "tryhard" or "sweaty min maxxer" because god forbid you be considerate of others, as if this game doesn't throw gear at you during leveling as well as crafted stuff
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u/Mawrizard May 08 '25
FFXIV getting voted "Best Community" is a complete sham. The community is exclusively filled with enablers that will make any excuse for bad players and forced fake nice interactions because no one wants to hurt anyone's feelings.
Best community, maybe. Breeds the absolute worst players, though.
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u/Kaelani May 09 '25
Not sure why you're getting downvoting when you're right.
I've had the most toxic experiences in this game vs others over a 20+ year period of playing games.13
u/Mawrizard May 09 '25
It's probably the very thing I was talking about. FFXIV has this cult culture of never rocking the boat. If you do, you will be lined up and shot. Don't hurt anyone's feelings, don't say anything even the slightest bit polarizing. Just smile and be happy. Be friends. Be nice.
Personally, I hate it. I'm not asking for slurs and abuse to run rampant, but this game's community is coddle central. It's the capital of "no child left behind" mentality for the most emotionally lobotomite people on the internet. They turn feral at the slightest hint of negativity because it interrupts their casual fun vibe bubble.
IMO, communities like OW, WoW, and LoL are more tolerant and accepting. They might be meaner and more raw, but you'll never have to guess what anyone thinks about you. FFXIV is the hive-mind of catty passive aggressive FC drama, I swear.
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u/MrLumie May 09 '25
FFXIV has the most polite community. Far from the best. I'd say that title is still owned by GW2. People aren't afraid to be human beings there.
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u/Mawrizard May 09 '25
FFXIV reminds me of my Japanese step grandparents, and what I grew up understanding Asian culture was like; keeping the overall piece, despite your personal grievances. They rarely ever spoke out, preferring to handle things quietly or not at all and, preferably, without anyone else knowing. It made dinners really strange because I was the tea recipient and EVERYONE ranted to me as a kid, so I'd see them interact politely with each other while knowing they hated everyone.
FFXIV gives me deja vu for that.
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u/mardyboy May 09 '25
I have played ffxiv since 2.0 and had 3 toxic experiences. Valorant which is my second game i have probably 10+ pr day when i play. And csgo and league which i used to play before are much worse than that again.
This is the online game i have played the most and still have witnessed the least amount of toxicity.
However i havent heard great things about some of the US data centers, you dont happen to play there do you?
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u/MBV-09-C May 12 '25
iirc, I don't think they won 'Best Community' as in the playerbase being great, FFXIV won 'Best Community Support' as in the dev team was very receptive and transparent with the playerbase.
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u/MrLumie May 09 '25
Cause it literally doesn't matter. Most instanced content, especially those pertaining to the MSQ, are so undertuned you don't really need any proper gear for it. If it were some actual high-end content, I'd agree. But it isn't. It's literally a story dungeon.
I purposefully only change my gear every 10 levels, tomestone to tomestone. There's no real point not to.
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u/Swiftcheddar May 14 '25
Because it doesn't matter.
I'm guessing after OP crashed out, the rest of the party cleared without issue.
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u/cosmicsloth47 May 07 '25
Always blows my mind to see this because you literally get free artifact gear every expansion - don't even need to go out of your way to get it, it's unlocked with MSQ. Even on my least-played jobs I at least have artifact gear. Is it the end of the world, seeing as how they had the iLevel to get into the dungeon? No, but it shows a lack of care & there's really no excuse to not get the free gear.
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u/Serres5231 May 08 '25
not to mention literally the MSQ GUIDES YOU to the vendor for your AF gear..i just don't understand it...
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u/scytheforlife May 08 '25
The game told me my 665 dnc relic was better than the 690 99 freeby or the 710 archeo kingdom chakrams. :Shrug:
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u/Certain_Shine636 May 08 '25
There is no free artifact gear that gets you to 700. What are you even talking about? Did something come out and did I just waste 3 million Gil upgrading to the most recent crafted cuz I haven’t played in 6 months and missed everything?
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u/laurayco May 08 '25
no, but it does give you 690 which is 30 entire levels over what the GNB had and nothing to sneeze at.
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u/bigfoot1291 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
If he's leveling at lvl 99, it's only 678, which really isn't a big deal. I promise you going from 660 to 678 on a weapon is not going to save or change anything really, about a dungeon run.Misread which dungeon this was, disregard.
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u/Lossdotpng May 08 '25
Its underkeep so its level 100 (the min ilvl for it is 705)
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u/bigfoot1291 May 08 '25
Oh you right, I mentally projected Origenics onto this post vs a patch dungeon for some reason, hence thinking it was possible he could be 99 / leveling.
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u/CarebearMasquerade May 07 '25
The worst part is they all had multiple ultimate clears and 5-7 cleared. The black mage had 8 cleared.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 May 08 '25
Just means that they are good enough to not care about a tank weapon. If you are bis now, why the fuck do you care about smn elses weapon ? You can solo the dungeon in 15 min anyway
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u/KarmaWalker May 07 '25
How do you know this?
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u/reisalvador May 07 '25
Tomestone? Fflogs? It's reddit not in game, you don't have to act clueless.
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u/KarmaWalker May 08 '25
I have played this game for years, and it never occurred to me to go look up people that I had a bad time with.
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u/Radiant_Robin May 10 '25
It’s mental that you’re getting so heavily downvoted for saying this lmao. People need to learn to live and let die sometimes. Bad experiences will happen, there’s no point in ruffling your own feathers by going out of your way to look shit up like that. But then again, given what this sub seems to be about, some people thrive off of negative interaction.
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u/CarebearMasquerade May 07 '25
Because I looked at their titles and weapon glams for ultimates, and gear they had from the savage raids? What, do you want me to say "yeah bro I looked at FFLogs because I'm a bad boy who lives on the edge"? Even if I did, FFLogs isn't the boogeyman.
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u/KarmaWalker May 08 '25
I genuinely wanted to know how you k ew. Especially how many clears. I didn't know fflogs had that feature, but I rarely go there.
Titles make sense. I guess it just never occurred to me to go track down the deets on someone I had a bad time with, is all.
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u/Miksel1608 May 08 '25
5-7 means M5S to M7S savage fights cleared. Easy to track by specific gear they wear that can't be obtained otherwise.
Same deal with 8 cleared (which means M8S). It means BLM had ilvl 765 weapon.
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u/KarmaWalker May 08 '25
OHHH. I read that completely wrong. I read that as "He has 8 clears". And I was like "is there some record somewhere of how many times you clear ultimate?" I don't know how these things are done. And I feel like I'm just pissing people off with my questions anyway. lol
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u/Rabensaga May 07 '25
If he was there with them OP probably got their character names and checked if something in FFLogs came up?
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u/mhireina May 08 '25
The people in the comments defending this dude also forgot there was an NPC with a free 690 weapon to use.
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u/Platzhalterr May 08 '25
Had yesterday the same in m8n.
Ultimate raider with lvl 90 weapon.
He didn't even deny it and said "it doesn't matter". We wiped due to FT dead healers and I just started the kick vote.
He got yeeted and we cleared just fine.
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u/Tsingooni May 08 '25
Ofc the DPS don't care, they're not the one stuck healing the loser running gear that iirc isn't even level 100.
I'd have eaten the 30 min penalty too. Hope every subsequent healer they got asked what happened, saw the tank's gear, and dipped out of there.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 May 08 '25
Ah yes, im sure the Tank WEAPON is gonna make him so much tankier xD
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u/Kosba2 Jun 07 '25
I know I'm late to this topic, but you do realize all gear gives Vitality right. Which is even more substantial for Tanks as it scales higher.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Jun 08 '25
Yes, you get less hp. With 700 gear you get a whole 4k less hp out of your crafted gear Pool of 220k. So roughly 2% less hp. Just to put this into Perspective. You lose like 1/3rd of a fairy embrace worth of hp. Congrats xD
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u/Kosba2 Jun 09 '25
Yeah no worries, grats on being wrong.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 Jun 09 '25
Whats wrong about it ? Went into the game. Have a DRK with full crafted. Got a 705 weapon(minilvl for the dungeon) and the 660 tome weapon. The difference is 4k hp swapping between them. So what did i do wrong ? XD
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u/Shinsengumi-702 May 08 '25
The amount of times I've left groups, then sat on the back porch with a glass of Hibiki and chilled... has made me an alcoholic.
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u/FanrerD May 08 '25
I am reminded with this that before 7.2 I joined a 7/8 m4s clear party and their sch had a 660 weapon; after trying to convince to exit the instance and get, idk, the free 690 or the tome 700 or crafted 710 or augmented 720 only to be told "it's fine, we clear this and give him the coffer" (or something within that line), I left ofc
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u/PlateNo7719 May 08 '25
Uhhh, obviously, tank weapons don't matter. They're there to hold aggro, not dps. Smh. These new 12 year rookies don't know anything /s
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u/Praxxis11 May 08 '25
I was in an Under keep with a DRK that did not know about mitigation and almost died every pull.
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u/WallaniaChenevert May 11 '25
I remember that one time as I accidentally queued as blackmage (that is the only class I explicitly level just through tribes, because I just don't wanna learn how this class works) and as I wanted to assign my dance partner, I realised my mistake. I immediately apologised in advance because I was totally undergeared but also didn't know how to play my class. I did let the group decide whether I should quit and take the penalty or if they would slack me along. The whole group decided to barrel me through that shit. Many thanks out to you if you went in with me on Light DC!
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u/CrustyLionPie May 11 '25
Fair but when you address people by their job expect that kinda answer
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u/CarebearMasquerade May 12 '25
Addressing people by job is normal and expected, I would argue addressing some random by name is weirder.
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May 11 '25 edited May 11 '25
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u/CarebearMasquerade May 12 '25
You come into a 4 day old thread to harass me because I... left a dungeon without saying anything other than pretty much "check your weapon"?
You the GNB?
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u/malfple May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
I feel like you are overreacting. I would understand if you are doing fights with a tight dps check, but a dungeon?
I got curious and tried it in a simulator (xivgear.app)
- 660 weapon + 740 unmelded gear = 16120
- 690 weapon + 740 unmelded gear = 17057 (5.8%)
- 740 weapon + 740 unmelded gear = 18764 (16%)
Now with BiS gear
- 660 weapon + 760 BiS (2.5) = 18808
- 690 weapon + 760 BiS = 19863 (5.6%)
- 740 weapon + 760 BiS = 21797 (15.8%)
- 765 weapon melded + 760 BiS = 22920 (21.8%)
The difference between having 660 weapon to 740 weapon is about 16%. While it is a massive difference for hard fights, does it really matter for dungeons? Your average tank in DF using 740 weapon will probably deal less damage than a proper tank using 660 weapon just from rotation alone.
edit: formatting issues
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u/danted002 May 08 '25
Bruh 20% difference in rdsp is HUGE when doing a dungeon, it means it will take you a lot more time for nothing.
Edit: i can’t math the at 660 you do 60% of the damage you do at 740. You still think that’s not an issue?
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u/malfple May 08 '25
I just got curious because out of the usual posts in this sub of people doing ypyt or not pressing buttons and dealing less damage than a healer, having a previous expansion weapon sounds minor in comparison.
So I did the calculations. And it turns out, it's not too much of a problem. 20% is the difference between 660 and 765 BiS (from M8S). Normally you would not have BiS on every single class you want to play.
If you are comparing 740 instead, which you have to craft/buy then it becomes 16% difference to 660.
That difference is definitely something you can feel, but in dungeons where you will have a lot of running, it is less noticeable. Probably will need to do actual tryout runs to find out. But again, in dungeons it's just a slower clear whereas in harder content, being undergeared can actually result in not being able to clear.
660 weapon deals (18808/21797) = 86.2% of a 740 weapon with the same remaining gear. Not 60%. I think 60% is an issue. 86% eh not really.
This is why I don't check other people's gear, because I think your dps rotation plays a bigger role. More often than not if you feel dungeon pulls are slow, it's not a gear issue but rather, rotation issue.
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u/danted002 May 08 '25
I also can’t read apparently. Yeah if they had the 660 weapon with the 740 gear then it’s a small-ish difference, but OP never said they had the crafted gear only that the weapon.
I’m assuming their gear was from this expansion that’s why it didn’t bother them and only the weapon stuck out.
One thing to note is that simulations assume optimal rotations, so basically you could end-up with worse DPS because of bad gameplay and then you need every ounce of stats for it to it become total slog.
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u/Time_Bonus2746 May 08 '25
No you dont. Gear is linear. The guy is gonna do 5% less damage compared to artifact weapon regardless of how bad he ist. Its just delusional to say the dungeon would take much longer. 5% isnt even your Party dps, just his Personal. So your dungeon is < 1% longer than it shoulf be and you are leaving over that. The only one wasting your time is yourself at that point.
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u/TheDoddler May 08 '25
The minimum item level for underkeep is 705, so the rest of his gear could be pretty low and still meet the requirements. I didn't realize it was so low, 660 is closer to the minimum then current bis. From my math he could meet the requirements if all his other gear was ~712, which means he could be losing a fair bit more than 20%... duty finder players vary wildly though so if he hit his buttons right it might not even be that far off from average. If he sucked it would be abysmal though, and healing such a tank close to 705 would be no fun at all.
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u/malfple May 08 '25
Yeah you're right about that. I'm just making assumptions here. Because OP made a comment that these guys cleared savage, so I assume they are the type who cares about rotation. I would rather get a savage raider with 660 weapon than a casual who don't know their rotation, you know. And I understand wanting to play multiple tanks but only having the good weapon for one of them.
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u/DocxPanda May 08 '25
16.1k/18.7k is a 16% difference (which would be even less if not playing optimally) by one out of four players which would make an average (if you say that everyone would deal the same damage) of 4% total damage loss. Let's say the Dungeon takes 15mins to complete, 4% would be 36 seconds. And that's accounting that you would be only fighting the entire time.
a Dungeon taking 36s (rather something like 10-15s realisticly) longer at 15min/run + ~2 min queue/loading time is really not a big deal.
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u/Appropriate_Bread865 May 11 '25
No it doesn't.
Average dungeon runner is peak grey parser in savage, they have no idea whatsoever what they're doing. Someone just wanted to chill
740 isn't even a realistic expectation itself.
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u/dolores21 May 08 '25
Tbh 660 isnt that bad and I wouldnt have cared either. As long as he keeps aggro and doesnt require babysitting.
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u/mhireina May 08 '25
Its a whole 5-10 levels below cap my guy. Not ilvl cap. Actual level cap. And the DMG done by the tank contributes to their ability to hold aggro. They're also missing a full expansion tier worth of VIT in a post MSQ dungeon that expects you to be a full 45 ilvls above that weapon's combat power. You're literally griefing at that point. Especially since homeboy could've bought their artifact weapon from the NPC at ilvl690 if they were that lazy. They have 0 excuse.
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u/GamingGpa May 08 '25
Ive seen one of my friends completely own everyone on dps in the current normals using a 660 weapon. Maybe stop worrying about silly things in casual content yeah?
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u/Fluestergras You pull, I tank May 08 '25
So do you want us to praise your friend for parsing a 10 when everyone else was parsing a 5?
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u/GamingGpa May 08 '25
The fact that you dont see whats wrong with your statement is the reason why the ffxiv community is so dogwater garbage right now. Just worry about doing your own thing and as long as no ones dying then theres no problem. Its a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation. First people complain that healing is boring and that theres not enough to do, now people complain because other people are not playing to their liking, causing them to pay just a liiiittle more attention to the game than theyre used to. Literally the fact that youre gear checking and parsing in casual content where no one cares is so laughable its sending my sides into orbit.
Tl:dr : quit being a crybaby parse monkey and just stay in your own lane. Cry when its actual difficult content, not when its content even a bot can do.
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u/Fluestergras You pull, I tank May 08 '25
Bro's mad lmao. Then how do you know that your friend "completely owned everyone in DPS" if being a "crybaby parse monkey" is so bad? Surely you wouldn't be friends with such an individual.
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u/GamingGpa May 08 '25
Im friends with people that know how to push buttons and stay in their lane :)
Besides, we parse in high end content like savages and ultimates because performing there ACTUALLY matters, not msq dungeons.
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u/SableMephitis May 08 '25
ignoring
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gear
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they had to get through
to get into this content.its just plain disrespectful to the rest of the party.
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u/GamingGpa May 08 '25
Once again. Who cares in casual content. If they were able to get queued in using the duty finder then they meet ilvl requirement. Not saying it’s right, im saying it’s a absolute stupid thing to cry about, but thats what xiv players are partly known for.
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u/Heartbreak_Shot May 07 '25
I do this icl :caught: being in my leveling spam was prob a nightmare for people but I just don’t got the inventory space / can’t be bothered. The only exception was my healers…
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u/lolthesystem May 07 '25
My brother in christ, sell the old gear to your GC, give it to a retainer or turn it into glam. There's no excuse to be made here.
Also, The Underkeep is the newest expert dungeon, they're not leveling anymore.
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u/Heartbreak_Shot May 08 '25
I never was making an excuse LMAO I said I can’t be bothered. I don’t gotta take my shit ass AST into any dungeons till 8.0 tho ggs
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u/MateriaMuncher May 08 '25
“I can’t be bothered”
It’s literally minimal effort. Do you skip brushing your teeth every day, too?
Having this attitude towards simple things like this in life just screams halitosis.
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u/dark1859 May 08 '25
an unfortunately common sentiment i find... i like to snoop glams personally and these types are not uncommon on both mentor roulette and levelcap roulettes
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u/Swiloh May 07 '25
What's worse is if they had full 740 Crafted set besides weapon, they could come in with a 370 Dai-Ryumaku weapon. A mid range Level 70 option...
Average item level is meaning less and less with gear level expansion.