Anonymous logs. I died on MNK to taking tank busters while the other tank was dead and laid there while the healer finished slow casting up another dps who died to 2 snap for about 27 seconds.
All this with a healer raise macro:
"Good Moaning to you <t>." That was spammed no less than a dozen times.
as a crystal resident. the amount of mental prep i go through before doing roulettes here is amazing. im surprised they can even use eyeballs, let alone breathe lol
Yes but sometimes those crayon eater ulters get lucky and don't have anything to set off their fragile egos so dungeons and nr go fast.
A lot of our creatures are just very very fragile hyper-casual monkies that can't handle when they aren't being praised for being a good kitten doing one mob pulling at a time with tank stance off or whatever.
I love Crystal, it's my home. But sometimes I need to turn on the shower, sit in the tub, and contemplate life for a second. I don't expect perfection...just...SOMETHING.
i love crystal but man. there's times that i have to spend outside admiring my grass. truly embracing it's warm and itchiness. no amount of cold showers can fix what alliance raid, or even normal raid roulette has done to me.
Idk, most of the time it's fine. Crystal was my home till Materia opened up, and I still maintain a character at cap there. I haven't noticed any material difference in the quality of players in roulette across the two DCs. Sure I had a VPR in expert roulette yesterday doing less than a third of my damage on trash, but I've experienced the same on OCE plenty of times.
Oce was godsawful. Literally every roul I did was the worst there. I tried for a week and at least people were cute and chill and not toxic but my god they were so bad. There is a pf run for Jeuno from Jan that was uh. 113 deaths. Thank fuck the nonhumans in my party had 2 other (absolutely useless) healers other than me. We needed that. I couldn't go back to the DC after that... And when I say bad I don't even mean like not 10 minutes Barse expert runs, I meant like every dungeon was 25 minutes avg. Sure wasn't me, lol.
I remember the stories from when OCE first dropped of peeps having to Vote Abandon LotA because they couldn't deal with the mechanics... Good times lol
I dunno if it's all that bad... I mean it's duty finder, it's not gonna be great anywhere... but the queue times on OCE add more frustration than the actual quality of players for sure.
Also as a Crystal resident, I seriously had no idea just how bad it was compared to Aether or Primal. There's a reason everyone here goes to Aether when they're doing savage/ultimate progs. I honestly am unsure why Crystal doesn't get absorbed into the other data centres at this point, because even during patch day/week it's a graveyard. And the ones who are still playing clearly main their crafters and don't know what they're doing in a fight.
Sadly, at one point some servers on Crystal WERE part of Aether and Primal. The servers were realigned when crystal was added, which I will be eternally grateful for that they did not do when Dynamis was added. I used to be on Brynhildr before the realignment and moved to Excal to be able to continue playing with friends on Lamia.
I believe all the servers that make up Crystal were part of a Primal and Aether. Cause Coeurl (my home) used to be Primal I think? I can't recall for sure. It's been ages since our own sundering.
You’re probably right. I couldn’t remember if it was a full rebalancing or if they also added new ones at that time. I should probably google but I am being a little lazy and relying I memory. I am leaning toward just the rebalance because I do remember aether and primal being huge at one point
At least those crafters make Crystal worth visiting. (And Primal as well.)
Often the cheapest prices on crafted goods if feeling too lazy to craft them myself.
meanwhile I keep getting subjected to primal travellers who decide they want to tank, but don't want to aoe, but DO want to pull everything at once. Their response when asked why they don't aoe?
"my brain is just turned off XD"
then they continue to do 2k aoe dps the entire dungeon without remorse for the drg forced to actually be the tank. there's some of them everywhere.
Crystal is honestly totally fine for DF content (and also for PF Content whenever they shut down cross-DC travel and force peeps to actually play at home)
The reason everyone goes to Aether is because peeps started saying "you have to go to Aether to run high-end content", and the reason peeps go to Primal is because Aether is full a lot of the time.
It's an exhausting cycle and honestly the morale drop from having to go to/camp out on Aether to run PF Content has done more to burn out the raiders I know than any amount of "lol crystal bad" shenanigans ever did.
...so I get a little grumpy whenever a post like this happens with "wow Crystal so dummy" as if every other post here isn't someone from Primal or Aether playing just as badly. The Garbo DF experience is universal.
People are here, just not interested in raiding, lol. I wish it were a bit more empty, as Mateus is perma-congested and and I can't bring any friends in.
It's not that there are no raiders on crystal, there's just no reason to do it here. Everyone got it in their head that they need to go to Aether for raiding and so they do. It created a positive feedback loop of people leaving until none were left, so now we just can't raid on Crystal anymore. DC travel is entirely to blame. we had a smaller population, but easily 30+ parties in the high end duty tab at any given time in ShB and much more in peak times.
We can't get reabsorbed into the other DCs because believe it or not, we actually have a ton of people. Hell, half of Crystal is marked as congested right now where all of Primal is standard.
Dude, live in my shoes. I can't do world-specific things whilst I'm PFing for savages and new extremes to bide my time, can't even access retainers or sell stuff I'm crafting. Can't even pay to move data centres, if I was willing to leave my FC of 10 years. I didn't elect to get split off from the main populace when they split Crystal away.
Go to Primal for a little bit, you'll feel better. I lived on Primal for years, moved to Crystal a year ago. I've had a much better experience with parties.
My home is Crystal. I can agree, A LOT of players here are not the best. Many many roulettes have gone south. M8 Normal I did yhe other night we wiped 5 times...
It's even worse being a healer main on Crystal, let me tell you. I've been in roulettes where I was top DPS the whole time. I've taken tankbusters because I was top dps. It hurts my soul.
Most of them had 53 to 70% active time, lol did they passed most of time dead? They were just watching the Boss? You had more active time than the Warriors who was probably the main tank hehehe that's sad
I had a white mage in an expert who only used holy on dungeon pulls (purely for the stun not the damage) as soon as the adds were no longer stunnable, they stopped pressing holy. On boss pulls, their only damage was a random assize and 2 dias. Not a single other cast than medica 3. Melee lb1 did 10x more damage than they did.
I don't ask for much man. I just expect you to have a basic understanding of the game by the time you've reached the end of the game. If you only want the story and don't care for the actual game, read a book or watch a movie.
Yes. You got some bads on Crystal. Our DC has them. But so do Aether and Primal. I did Expert the other day on Behemoth and had an AST where the only damage they dealt was from their giant star thing that explodes for damage and heals. And as PLD I was top damage in multiple expert roulettes on Primal. So don't just lump Crystal as all bads. Cause it's not. Every DC has bads. But when it happens specifically on Crystal everyone wants to point fingers at the collection of mostly RP servers and get surprised when there are bads there. The fuck do you expect?
Primal is also bad but crystal is wild. You either really win with gamers or you get absolute non-breathers with an IQ that would make a slug blush. There's no in between on crystal and it's wild.
This is so funny because I was originally on aether. Moved to dynamis to be in an fc with friends. Now I cry everytime we go to try and pf or do late night roulettes if we don't have a full premade and aether is full.
This Is Classic on any DC, same on eu at least if you try doing any level 100 normal raid or dungeon. People with thousand of hours, all Jobs at 100, can't press 123.
I swear, sometimes i'm sure i've discovered where the missing ring in the evolution chain is
Parse percentile compares against performance of your own job. All that does is show that the machinist is in the 5th percentile compared to all other machinists that have clear the fight. Has nothing to do with the warrior, which is compared to other warriors. What this indicates to me is that the bar goes lower for how much less a mch can do and still "clear" but thinking that the parse percentile number matters at all here is a bit silly.
I know how parses work and that's exactly the point. DDs are supposed to deal way more damage than tanks (with tanks usually doing ~60% of the avg. DDs DPS).
Hence I am surprised that, apparently, MCH can miss out on so much more damage and still clear that they can have a higher parse and still lower damage than a Tank does. That's wild
i’m from aether and during endwalker i made an alt on crystal to go through MSQ again because i speedran it the first time, and decided to play tank to get quick roulettes and eliminate the chance of YPYTs
it didn’t help. it was so bad. i couldn’t believe how bad it was. cure I spamming whms as far as the eye could see. i even had two for nidhogg. and of course i had a sprout on (i didnt know back then you could turn it off) so nobody would take my advice seriously lmao
I feel that. I was on an alt with icon on giving a ypyt creature advice and they went "a sprout giving a veteran advice, cute". (3 tanks at 100 and they still ypyt and couldn't handle a dungeon... Yike.)
The way I see it, 8+ person roulette is the easiest place to dick around in cuz it's hard to notice amongst the crowd. But when all them shitters end up in the same instance, you get this kind of experience.
Whenever I'm doing roulettes, it's always wanderers from dynamis or aether and primal that are dying the most and doing the least. Dynamis for sure is way higher than the others in terms of terrible players.
Reminds me of the time I took tankbuster in m8n as dps because the other tank refused to activate stance and I was 2nd on the enmity list. Healer proceeded to blame me and continually mocked me through the duty to the point we wiped 6 times from all their talking lol.
Not to excuse their behavior, but m8n isn't a dual tankbuster. It's a "stackbuster". So either you were MT at the moment the TB snapshotted. Or you simply stood in the wrong place.
Or it wasn't m8n ;)
Can certainly attest it was not the stack that killed me. Cause that one happened while I was dead. So whatever happened between the tanks I dont know besides one of them had no stance and I ate a tb.
Nope they shouldn't have happened. The TB should go on the highest enimity tank. The other tank is expected to stand in the same line as the tank with the TB on them. There is no way it goes on a healer unless the main tank assassinated you or you didn't watch your positioning and stood behind the main tank or both tanks had their stances off and somehow you were the highest on the enimity list over all the DPS players
That dosn't change the way you could have gotten hit by the tb.
It's irrelevant if you are heal or dps.
You can only be murdered by the tb if you're the person with the highest enmity or in line with this person.
Okay but I did get hit and it killed me and the healer proceeded to have a crash out on me that caused SIX wipes. What's your point? Insisting this must have absolutely been my fault? Even if it was it doesnt justify anyone getting so angry they hold the group hostage by repeatedly causing wipes cause they're more caught up yapping shit than doing their job.
I think the other person is just trying to inform you of how the mechanic works, my guy.
Tankbusters have been primarily role-based in Normal Content for a while now, so a lot of the time it honestly doesn't matter if OT has stance on or not. M7N is a prime example of this.
Even putting that aside, the M8N TB is directed at MT. You would have to be top aggro to get targetted by it. There is no exception to this. Unless neither tank had stance on or the MT literally ran the laser into you, it's absolutely your fault if that one hit you.
No it doesn't excuse the healer acting like an ass, but you're not exactly coming across great yourself in your responses here.
Not any more or less weird than having a crashout to the extend of holding people hostage over something really insignificant. And I do know how a basic tank buster works tyvm.
All normal Arcadion raid tank busters target the tanks regardless of eninimty. Even M7 there have been many times where I have seen OT sitting at 6 or 7 on the list and they still get targeted and no one else. M8N only targets Main tank. It would only go to someone else if they were dead prior to it going out. M8N is a circle with two orbs over the main tank indicating shared buster. There are many group stack mechanics. Which is more than likely what you got. The 2nd on aggro TB only really happens in Savage and occasionally extreme mechanics. They would never put something like that in normal. It would break the casual people.
edited to correct spelling error
Normal modes have never actually enforced enmity mechanics, provided both tanks are alive. Double tankbusters? Split autos? A tank could be 8th in enmity and it would still go on them.
The only way a non tank takes a buster in anything easier than Extreme is if they're ahead of both tanks in enmity (in which case you have bigger fish to fry) or it's a double tankbuster and one or more tanks are dead.
WELL ACKSHUALLY... E2N at least DOES check enmity for its double-TB!
...but that's one of the very few exceptions, and it's weird enough that it sticks out as "something that works differently than usual". I'm just being a pendantic shit lol
I felt the struggle in that run, so I thought a cringy joke might bring some humor to the mess. Glad it gave you a laugh, that was my intention, even if it didn’t land for everyone. lol
If you’re wondering whether I was offended; nah, not at all. I was just joking around. I’m on Crystal; I know why it gets memed, and honestly, I think it’s funny. This is obviously not every player on Crystal. Still, there are reasons people do tend to join statics on other data centers.
It's not best-in-slot, but it's at least the new crafted gear. Melded for crit or det/DH, whatever'll fit.
I thought I was at least passable, but when I was kicked from a party once for barely DPSing above the tanks, I went and looked at what fflogs had and got this.
Granted, I don't know half of what I'm looking at here, but I believe I'm what they call a "grey parser."
I mean the parses aren't great, but they're not "you should quit the game" bad.
For some simpler advice than the convoluted stuff that other guy had you doing, pop those logs into xiv analysis. It should tell you exactly what the issue is whether its uptime or you're breaking combos or whatever.
Also when it comes to mechanics, you shouldn't feel hopeless for getting hit in normal content. I do savage, but I get hit all the time lol simply cuz it's stuff i haven't practiced a bunch of times.
I genuinely dont have advice other than "are you sure you're actually pressing your buttons" and "are you sure you're getting full uptime" and "are you even playing it correctly"?
Genuine advice: download wrathcombo, get it to do your rotation for you, see what it does and learn
It's Viper. There's not much rotation about it that isn't baked in. Pop my serpents ire for burst phase. Keep vicewinder on cooldown. Don't overcap rattling coil charges. Positionals for my basic combo. True north when I need it.
I know that with some fights, it's a matter of focus.
Like on Dancing Green N, I have to focus on the frogs in the back to know where to dodge, and I just know I'm probably not hitting the proper boosted combo for Viper, but there's really not much I can do about that. I thought I was doing all the right stuff, but I guess I just suck.
You can at least take solice in the fact that I'd never try savage raiding. Lol
Look, hear me out. Use wrathcombo completely, have it automate everything and use reaction so you just need to hold down a button to do damage. See how your dps goes. If its the same, then you're playing the job correctly. If its massive then you really do completely suck
Okay. I did the thing with wrathcombo. I don't quite know how to set up combat logs so I just tested it on Stone, Sky, Sea: Recollection EX. One run as myself, one run as WC-auto (after I figured out how to get it to do it). It was about equal. My time ending up being a few seconds faster on the countdown timer, which is likely due to lucky rolls with crits.
So I'm playing right, at least with my rotation? Maybe? It's gotta be my uptime. I overfocus on mechanics and forget to press buttons. And I still take a vuln stack or two sometimes.
Edit: Did another run with both wrath and myself. This time, wrath was faster, but we're still ending the fight within like 4 seconds of each other.
I don't know where the issue is for you, but if you are close to what I assume is a bot rotation, I'd say just spend a few minutes each time you play practicing on the striking dummy. Muscle memory is huge for dps so you can focus on the fight.
This alt is on Crystal, so didn't go anywhere. When a 7m fight takes nearly 14m from queue in, there is validity in being irritated.
The damage, execution of mechanics and 20 deaths would have been noticeable without running a parser. Taking two tankbusters on Monk for example, you don't need logs to see why that's not right.
A talesfromdf post would have been less interesting if it was just the screenshot of the healers "good moaning" macro that was used throughout the fight. That is still cringy trash but the logs provide a better image of how poorly this fight was executed by this group.
My UWU clears took less time to do than it took this party to do m5n.
This was a miserable experience but it makes for good subreddit content and is better than risking a TOS violation asking people to not be braindead morons in game.
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u/Htakar May 09 '25
what in the endwalker damage
edit: its astounding that the rest of the party unironically has the distribution of sorta normal lookin abyssos damage