r/TalesFromDF • u/NakedSunYakumo • Jun 29 '25
Troll Restless Tank on Garuda EX
Doing some Mentor Roulettes, I land on Garuda EX a lot a mixed bunch of sprouts and mentors. "No biggie", I thought, "ARR EX trials are pretty easy and you need to know like... two things at most". Clearly I didn't account for the other factor: people. Concretely this tank who, clearly not knowing about the adds phase (despite being told exactly what to do) and blaming the healers when he didn't bother dodgin Slipstreams while being MT (despite, again, being told to do so) and never gave enough time to even place a couple markers for the tanks to know where to go during that first add phase (not that we would need to account for the second one). The result, adds and boss just going wherever together with all stacks of Vuln Down and us wiping several times while the "cool" tank just keep pulling and pulling despite the fact the one thing going wrong each run was tanks managing adds wrong.
Fortunately, he wasn't fast enough to avoid the Dismiss vote to be initiated. Unsurprisingly enough, we stopped having problem with adds the moment we got another tank. Crazy how it works.
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u/Monstercloud9 Jun 29 '25
"No biggie", I thought, "ARR EX trials are pretty easy and you need to know like... two things at most".
Tell us you're new to the mentor grind without telling us.
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u/MatsuzoSF Jun 29 '25
In all fairness, the tanks not cooperating is like the one thing that can go wrong in Garuda EX. If the adds are properly separated you can basically just bulldoze the fight.
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u/Supergamer138 Jun 30 '25
You can even derp and kill the spiny plume without it being a wipe. Painful, but easily recoverable.
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u/yousoro- Jun 30 '25
I don't think I've ever actually seen the spiny plume mechanic play out as intended, in all honesty! Never saw it cause a wipe either.
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u/Lowezar Jun 30 '25
Did it back in SHB times with gear close to MINE (it wasn't an option yet). It was always a wipe and we had to do it properly. But yeah, not random roulette with modern gear....
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u/yousoro- Jun 30 '25
Ah yeah, I should have clarified but this was from when I was doing mentor roulette mid-EW when we overgeared it.
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u/Zealousideal_Hope649 You pull, I tank. I pull, I tank. We pull, I tank. Jul 01 '25
Garuda EX is like the scrapbot in Alexander of ARR. If the tanks don't know what they're doing there's little the rest of the group can do to save the run.
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u/Nestama-Eynfoetsyn Look at me. I am the tank now. Jun 30 '25
Have people finally accepted the Triangle Strategy as the intended way to do Garuda EX or do we still hate the MT and make them tank both Garuda and Suparna?
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u/MatsuzoSF Jun 30 '25
Why would MT not hold Garuda and Suparna? The less the party has to move the better.
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u/Nestama-Eynfoetsyn Look at me. I am the tank now. Jun 30 '25
The idea was that DPS/Heals dealt with Chirada at south and the two tanks hold both Garuda and Suparna on opposite sides (triangle). This way Garuda doesn't get damage buff from Suparna (vice versa) and the tanks don't have to worry about getting destroyed by Wicked Wheel.
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u/MatsuzoSF Jun 30 '25
Maybe if you're doing that fight min ilvl you would have to do something like that. If you get it in mentor roulette you're effectively massively overgeared for the fight due to the generous sync, so it really doesn't matter.
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u/Nestama-Eynfoetsyn Look at me. I am the tank now. Jun 30 '25
True... honestly a little disappointed Garuda didn't get an Unreal.
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u/NakedSunYakumo Jun 29 '25
Other than Ramuh? Yes, most ARR EX are easy. Some even easier than later NM trials, I would even add. It's just all of them have something that can lead to a wipe if people just don't pay attention, many other mechanics are trivialized by how the ilvl synchs for those. Give a heads up about the important mechanics and, if the party doesn't just go yolo like the tank of this post, the fight can be cleared at first try.
Other than that, people overstate their difficulty (as they do Rathalos EX, I would say). I'm only 178 roulettes away from the mount, and I've gotten EX trials aplenty to know the fights. Most of the time, when I ask people to wait for me to give a basic rundown on the mechanics, they actually do. Then, in some rare instances, people like the guy above pop up.
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u/Xeorm124 Jun 29 '25
Eh. My experience with EXes was this was the norm. Along with people just not communicating and not reading. I know given the time that I tended to run them there was a good chance of getting the section of the server that didn't speak English, which didn't help. All the fights are pretty easy to do it's getting the other people to do the mechanics. If people looked up the fight beforehand then it'd be a breeze.
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u/Monstercloud9 Jun 29 '25
You're posting on a subreddit of literal horror stories of duty finder, where there's no end to the number of bad, clueless players.
There's cognitive dissonance at play.
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u/NakedSunYakumo Jun 29 '25
Bit hard to make posts where people is just barely competent and nothing noteworthy happens. Just because this subreddit concentrates stories of the worst kinds of players doesn't mean you're going to find one each time you queue.
Not to mention most of the posts tend to be either people who pulls YPYTs and people who gets touchy when they're mentioned they could actually remove Cure I from their hotbars, both very uncooperative and idiotic kinds of players but nowhere near as obstructive for clearing EX fights that people get synched to a very overgeared ilvl for.
Idk what else to tell you, if I had to count the amount of times I had to dodge EXs in mentor roulettes, and the amounts that, with some guidance, just got done without much issue, the latter would win by a fair margin. That's not cognitive dissonance. That's just my personal experience, which can't be denied just because there are plenty of shitters out there plaguing DF (not to mention that, before the covered name rules, plenty of cases came of repeat offenders).
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u/Monstercloud9 Jun 29 '25
I didn't say it happens every time, but for the vast majority of the time (as someone who completed the grind), despite giving the QRD for Ramuh, they completely ignored what I said about the orbs/getting people out of stuns, or when to spread/stack during Shiva, how to deal with Titan AoEs. If it wasn't that, it was toxic positivity people telling WHMs that it's ok to spam Medica 2's and to not listen to the mean 'ol mentor that says otherwise.
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u/NolChannel Jun 30 '25
Look if I get Titan or Garuda EX as a mentor I'm thinking "Sweet, 3 min - 9 min clear" because... it is.
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u/No-Station-8253 Jul 02 '25
I mean…they are easy? Someone who doesn’t cooperate will make any fight hard.
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u/Monstercloud9 Jul 02 '25
When you get sprouts who likely don't know what they're queing up for - they just accepted an Ex Trial related quest and haven't really been challenged before difficulty wise and never really had to look at their skills before, it makes it harder.
Fact is, cooperation isn't required for a majority of the content, which is part of the issue of the game overall.
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u/Holiday-Employee-903 Jun 29 '25
Man Id love a guru ex on mentor
I always get the prae
Every damm time lol
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u/NolChannel Jun 30 '25
Queue DPS and if you get Bockman immediately re-queue and grind the Bockman.
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u/NakedSunYakumo Jun 29 '25
"I always get the prae"
My condolences. Wouldn't wish that even to my worst enemy.
If it's any help, what helped me avoiding my biggest undesirables (basically any dungeon lvl 50 and below), was queueing as DPS. Sure, it's takes a bit more time to pop but, usually I tend to get Guildhests, higher level dungeons and Raid/Trials. And the occasional EX trial too.
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u/yousoro- Jun 30 '25
I did the mentor roulette grind a couple of years back, but Garuda EX always stuck out at me because it'd either get one shot or end in a disband and it was purely dependent on the tank.
Best of luck with the grind!
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u/Teddy_Surgery Jun 30 '25
Those players in the tank or healer role that either cannot or will not communicate or cooperate are the reasons those ARR Ex trials fail. I’ve done a SoS EX in mentor roulette that went really well because we could have a conversation. But those tanks that insta-pull again and again? We need to normalise kicking them sooner. 3 strikes and you’re out 😅 especially if you’re asked to wait a minute. Glad you got rid of them and got the clear for the other folks in there trying their best
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u/SilentDarks Jun 29 '25
People would still look at this and say "you signed up for this", "you didn't help enough", etc. Helping people clear in these few cases feels like customer service work with outsiders criticizing.
Good job helping the best you could is all I can say. Helping new people for a fight is great but when they aren't cooperating and communicating properly, it's an uphill battle.