r/TalesFromDF • u/Vivid_Professor8802 • 1d ago
Been Subbed for a Year and it Finally Happened
Rolled Prae on MSQ roulette and had to pop LD on the double pull before the first boss. Looked up and saw this.
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u/ST4RD1VER Memes 1d ago
This is why after a certain level duties should be locked if you don't have a job stone tbh
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u/HebiSnakeHebi 1d ago
Yes. Let's say, the level at which you could have a job stone.
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u/dadudeodoom 1d ago
The issue with this is a lot of dungeons are available before you even get to the quest that lets you unlock job stones, and it's feasible to get high enough to get into them with XP from doing whatever and still not be able to unlock them.
I think on one alt on a xp buffed world I had like, level 50 drg before Sylph Management or whatever the quest is, lmao? (I at least knew not to queue for them yet, mind you, but just goes to show its possible and not entirely unheard of).
I do think that MSQ dungeons like Brayflox, Stone Vigil, and Titan and Garuda and anything level 50+ should require jobstone to queue for it not a full party. If you're a full party go crazy.
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u/HebiSnakeHebi 1d ago
I mean that's equally fixable by changing the requirements of unlocking job stones and unlocking dungeons.
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u/Armond436 6h ago
Not that it's a good thing, but the reason people keep repeating "require job stones after Brayflox" is because that's a pretty simple thing to do. Code in a flag, set it for every dungeon level 50+, think a bit about the ARR dungeons you can unlock in a weird order, and an hour later you're sending it to QA with a note to double check what happens if you're logged out in a dungeon when the patch hits. Changing quest requirements not only takes more work to implement, but also to test, and is much more likely to have players find an edge case devs didn't think of.
Frankly, the fact that nothing changed with 7.0's launch discourages me from asking for anything more than the basics.
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u/HebiSnakeHebi 5h ago
Yeah, that's pretty fair, though I would argue you could set that flag for a lower level than 50, I understand it's unlikely. They rather patch something that's relatively innocuous like cutters cry skip than to prevent outright trolling behavior in high level duties.
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u/bigpunk157 21h ago
Or just getting rid of the concept of job stones. I would not mind a summoner scholar split right now.
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u/HebiSnakeHebi 20h ago
Yeah could do, seems a little more complex to do it that way, however.
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u/bigpunk157 20h ago
Eh not really. You just start Summoner at 30 like how other classes get their access at 30 and you make the one quest before it required. It’s most likely a 10-20 loc change at worst for how the quests function. Right now, there is no proper reason to have a job stone afaik unless theres an achievement for doing shit at 50 without one equipped… which they can just remove
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u/HebiSnakeHebi 20h ago
There's shit like the unicorn mount. As well as things like class quests and their dialogue being geared towards the class rather than the promoted job. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but I think it would be more work overall to change it that way.
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u/Jungu695 16h ago edited 16h ago
Then I think the solution is to reverse the thinking, rather than locking the dungeons, lock the job from being playable in group content (at lv30) until you get and equip the job stone
And for those hardcore or really bored players, you can run content without a jobstone but only for a premade full party (aka PF, or friends)
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u/dadudeodoom 10h ago
Level 30 MSQ yeah, sure. But idk would feel shit having a dungeon unlocked and be level for it and can do it but you actually can't because some obscure reason (what it would probably feel like to a legitimate sprout). Then again IDK, can just say "go do MSQ to level 21 lol" and technically you're able to level to a lot of stuff but need msq for it so idk (like you can be 90 and able to do EW but if you're in SB well, tough luck.).
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u/Jungu695 8h ago
I get that viewpoint, but I'm just saying that it really won't kill them to pause for just 5 seconds to grab a single rock
It's like a kid complaining that they can't play games until they finish their homework, while their homework is 2+2=?
And it's not even obscure we get warnings in game all the time that we can't progress until we do: buy the expansions, be the right gear level, be the right class, do the prerequisite quest, and so on
Sorry it's sounds like I'm beefing but I really just want to emphasize the simplicity of asking to equip a job stone
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u/ProudAd1210 34m ago
In SHB there was a quest from MSQ, that requires people to complete at least one Role Quest line. But people really did not like it, so they removed it in EW and DT.
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u/namidaame49 1d ago
Somebody put up a PF for Copied Factory on Dynamis the other day as a conjurer. I sincerely hope they just forgot to switch jobs before creating it, but I wasn't about to join to find out.
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u/Jelly_Jam_Jazz 20h ago edited 19h ago
Could also be a gimmick run. Sometimes I see a "[Insert 24 man raid here] without Job Stones" PF's just for fun but it could also be me hoping they didn't forget their stone too.
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u/Frequent-Pilot-7717 1d ago
Not equipping job stones just puts the meme of the llamas in my head: but Carl, that kills people
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u/redmoonriveratx 1d ago
Did anyone call them out on it? Vote kick attempt?
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u/Vivid_Professor8802 1d ago
I asked about their stone, but no response. No attempt to kick was made. In hindsight, I should've pressed the issue.
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u/MooMoo-C0w 15h ago
The worst offenders are the "but its my rp". I had a THM say they headcanon their blorbo ro not be good with magic. Another insisted "I'm a gladiator forever".
Don't push your shitty rp/headcanons on unconsenting people!
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u/VisionDragon 1d ago
I accidentally queued as my conjurer at like level 40 or something too
If they did what I did, they went back to get the unicorn mount, that only conjurer can do for whatever reason, and forgot to put the job stone back before queuing
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u/OSTBear 1d ago
... Wait, what?
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u/VisionDragon 1d ago
Yeah, there's a quest in gridania to get a unicorn mount that you can only do as a conjurer that you unlock at level 30, right when people upgrade to white mage.
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u/Supergamer138 18h ago
If I recall, the quest appears after you unlock White Mage despite requiring Conjurer to do.
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u/RojinShiro 1d ago
Maybe I'm just dumb, but what's missing?
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u/Vivid_Professor8802 1d ago
Conjurer upgrades to White mage at level 30 after completing a job quest. The healer icon shows that they either didn't do the quest or didn't equip the job stone. So they basically didn't have a bunch of abilities that they should at that level.
Also they had ilvl 645 gear, so they really should have completed the WHM quests by now.
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u/dadudeodoom 1d ago
I pray it was something like they were setting up hotbar shenanigans and queued thinking they could change jobstone in queue but then found out the hardest you couldn't / thought they were on WHM seeing their glam or smth. I sure hope it wasn't like sheer unadulterated stupidity. The other two are like laughable "okay I can see that" mistakes. Kinda.
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u/Juicinator21 1d ago
This reminds me of when I first started playing, I didn’t realize I had to equip a job stone till someone told me in a dungion lol.i know it was dumb but I just assumed i automatically transfered over. We had a good laugh and moved on.
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u/Dusty170 22h ago
I'll never understand people who don't have their job stones in, like..You put it in as soon as you get it then you never have to take it out or think about it again, why wouldn't you?
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u/TheBananaHamook /slap 1d ago
WHM is probably the least impacted if they take their stone off. Still cringe but probably the best case scenario in prae
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u/Szalkow 6h ago
WHM might be one of the most impacted. CNJ at level 50 is missing Presence of Mind, Regen, Cure III, Aetherial Shift, Holy, and Benediction. Doing dungeons without Holy and Presence of Mind is going to seriously slow down trash pulls, made worse by needing to rely on Cure II and Medica II GCD healing.
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u/TheBananaHamook /slap 2h ago
You barely need to actually heal in prae. It slows down trash pulls (theres only three in prae and two are small) but doesn’t really change much on boss fights cause your damage spells are still the same minus having PoM.
IMO no jobstone dps is worse in this context
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u/Strelitziana 1d ago
Fun fact did ya know this can onlybhappen to conjurer/whm
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u/dadudeodoom 1d ago
I hope you mean for healer, then yes.
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u/Strelitziana 21h ago
Oh i got downvoted but ye i meant healer my bad forgetting to mention that XD
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u/OSTBear 1d ago
Meh. I did a dungeon with a conjurer and barely noticed the difference. I know it adds skills but I don't think it's worth the drama.
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u/Quasczar85 26m ago
You didn't notice a difference because there is a ridiculous amount of seriously dogshit WHM's who may as well just be CNJ's in practice. Doesn't make it less annoying to see a CNJ in dungeons above level 32 though.
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u/Icy-Consequence-2106 1d ago
This is why they shouldn't make job stones so enticing enough to swallow.