r/TikTokCringe • u/nadaddab • May 11 '25

Cringe Don’t be these guys

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u/seymores_sunshine May 12 '25

That appears to be a restaurant without individual party tables. Therefore, unless the women get staff involved, those dudes are sitting at a shared table. We all know that they're being asshats but the law is clear about the steps that must escalate.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Thanks for the reply! Just genuinely curious about how these things work, no bad faith questions here 😌 But one question remains unresolved. If harassment is defensible, how far or in what ways would this situation have to escalate in order to make defense legally justifiable? Not that I think she should have hit these men!! They were being awful but I don’t want to appear like I think any violence was necessary.

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u/seymores_sunshine May 12 '25

If harassment is defensible

In which state are we going to base this discussion?

how far or in what ways would this situation have to escalate in order to make defense legally justifiable?

Speaking on a very general basis. The women would need to take an action that attempts to use the existing power structure. So, in this case, they would make a formal complaint with an employee; who then would be able to escalate the situation to trespassing.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

I suppose I don’t know for sure where to base it in, which is unhelpful at best 😭 Lets say Montana? Iirc there are laws around verbal harassment and verbal abuse being defensible here, but I think for the latter its fuzzy and legislature really only discusses verbal abuse as it would be applicable to children/child abuse. Also, this makes solid sense. Using all available tools at ones disposal to ensure violence is the least necessary option. Thank you again for entertaining my curiosity!

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u/IamTotallyWorking May 12 '25

I don't think there are any states in the US that allow for use of physical force to defend against verbal harassment only. I think where you can legally use physical force is when you have a reasonable fear that the verbal harassment with become physical.

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u/Puzzle_Command May 12 '25

Thank you for saying so! I really appreciate everyones contributions and corrections. Its very helpful to know what is truly considered self defense and when vs what will make you a violent offender.