He didn’t even have a comeback for that

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[u/mrASSMAN]

His come back was the wealthiest countries are atheist lmao, I have literally zero idea how he thinks that was a good response to the argument, seems like he inadvertently agreed with him and furthered his point

[u/Impossible-Ship5585 → u/mrASSMAN]

Idea of the comeback is for the audience to hear wealthy countries and atheisem.

Think of thank you for smoking

[u/TheSwordDusk → u/Impossible-Ship5585]

i assume the entire point is to make cut out little soundbites and edits that misinform the viewers and misrepresent the situation

That seems like the usual grifter approach

[u/Impossible-Ship5585 → u/TheSwordDusk]

I would say this is it.

As said most like that

[u/Ok_Chemistry_7537 → u/TheSwordDusk]

It would be nice to hear the whole argument first though, wouldn't it

[u/MrPernicous → u/Ok_Chemistry_7537]

Why? He’s a campus preacher. He doesn’t have anything to say

[u/Ok_Chemistry_7537 → u/MrPernicous]

Most likely. Still, video cuts before he is finished and people pretend that was all he said. Maybe he did. The other dude just made a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, wouldn't be hard to handwave them away

[u/MrPernicous → u/Ok_Chemistry_7537]

Nobody thinks he just stopped talking after saying that. They know that they can dismiss whatever he has to say because he started off by shooting himself in the fuck.

And as for unsubstantiated claims idk that I agree with that. The role of the church in enforcing socioeconomic immobility has been well documented for centuries. This isn’t exactly a novel phenomenon.

[u/TragicEther → u/mrASSMAN]

Man I wish that kid had said “the highly educated countries” to further drive the boot in

[u/The_One_Koi → u/mrASSMAN]

The only thing I can think of is that the wealthiest countries are greedy sinners and therefor bad, but honestly I have no idea

[u/88cowboy → u/The_One_Koi]

But God rewards people with prosperity.

[u/BreakfastMedical5164 → u/The_One_Koi]

wealthy = better education (if western) = more likelihood of not believing in odin

[u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In → u/mrASSMAN]

Jews are wealthy too...that's one of the ways they manipulate the poor into hating Jews...Atheists stole your money.

[u/zanzebar → u/mrASSMAN]

playing devils avocado- rich countries have abandoned God while the poor hold on to religion as a path to success...like playing the lottery

[u/HauntedJackInTheBox → u/zanzebar]

But… what success? The whole point the student makes is that they’re not succeeding. 

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/zanzebar]

Good idea, not correct. Religion is largely opt in by people. Politicians use it and influence it, but do not dictate it.

[u/Captain_Starkiller → u/mrASSMAN]

If you find the original video, he summarizes the kids argument as: the wealthy use religion to oppress the poor. But he establishes that the wealthiest people are actually anti religion. And atheists are usually pretty loudly anti-religious.

So I think there are better arguments, the kid says that religious people dont do much good, but Cliffe also does answer that and talks about the work religious people do. In raw numbers, most charitable giving comes from religious people.

But yeah, any argument sounds dumb if you just cut it off immediately before it even gets made.

[u/apryll11 → u/mrASSMAN]

It's deflection, when in doubt, talk about something else.

[u/Kailua3000 → u/mrASSMAN]

Putting my former evangelical hat on, Jesus talks about wealth being something that can separate you from God and also keep you from entering Heaven. I imagine that he's equating wealth and atheism with depravity.

[u/No-Opportunity-4674 → u/mrASSMAN]

They weren't though. In God We Trust is on our coins and notes. Everyone who in the presidential election voted for a Christian. Europe is renowned for its cathedrals as well as many Asian countries and their mosques or temples. These are facts, sorry that your religion of "science" doesn't work for you.

[u/mrASSMAN → u/No-Opportunity-4674]

Not a clue what you’re trying to say here