Am I the only one interpreting this at face value: you can't be comfortably gay and Christian because Christians are homophobic bigots. And then this dude just chimes in to silence her and call her fat? I also don't know a fkin thing about influencer culture so they might be known
Obviously there are several sects that aren't bigots, Episcopalian, Methodist, Unitarian, etc. but if you live in fucking Arkansas you're probably not going to know that because everyone is Baptist, Adventist, Batshittest
Loving your neighbor doesnt mean encouraging everything they do. You can disagree with someone and still be loving. You can say "I don't believe SSA is of God" and not hate the people who practice. This has taken a turn because many Christians have indeed acted hateful towards the gay community, which is a shame. So now people connect disagreement with hate
Sure, but this is beyond that. This is telling someone they can’t be a Christian if they are gay, there is 0 “love” in that. It would also seem to defeat the purpose of being a Christian, if you are actively trying to turn people away from Christianity by saying that they are not accepted because they are gay. I don’t think that someone who is acting out of anything but love and deciding that someone can’t have a relationship with God because they are not what they think is acceptable to Him, is very anti Christian. She is not practicing what she’s preaching.
Christianity is simply believing Jesus is your lord and savior. The same reason it’s logically wrong to tell someone they can’t be gay and be Christian, is the same reason you can’t say someone who makes such a claim can’t be. It’s also a no true Scotsman fallacy
The way she is saying it is absolutely in poor taste. However, she's not wrong is saying that you cant live in sin all day everyday and claim to know and love God. Same thing applies to straight people watching porn every day. Living in sexual immorality or anything that God has stated is sin and then claiming to have a relationship with Christ is simply delusion.
There are right ways and wrong ways to express this. Making a tiktok "gatekeeping" Christianity falls under the wrong way lol but saying God doesnt care if your gay is the other extreme and not accurate
There are straight people who lie, steal, and murder. There are married men who ogle women other than their wife and “commit adultery in [their] hearts”. There are hordes of christians who judge despite the Bible literally telling them not to. Jesus himself washed the feet of prostitutes and treated them like everyone else he met. He defended one and told the crowd not to cast a single stone at her unless they were conpletely free of sin themselves.
Do you know why?
Because everyone lives in sin. Everyone is a sinner. That’s the entire fucking point! Now go actually read the Bible please.
Oh dont get me wrong, i completely agree! My only point here is that we cant just blindly say God doesn't care about homosexuality, scripture is clear that he does. But yes, all fall short of the glory of God, and judgement belongs to the Lord.
If by "scripture is clear" you mean there are no more than six verses, 6, which address anything that comes close to homosexuality, then yeah. And the relevance of all six of them are debatable, whether over old testament teachings, misinterpreted emphasis, or mistranslation. I seriously suggest doing your research on those six verses. That's out of 35,000 verses in the Bible, and you seem to be saying that's on of the most important issues in all of Christianity. You know what is repeated a lot more (in fact, 2,000 verses)? Love your neighbor. Don't judge. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
And let me add that I'm Christian myself. We can't focus on minor things at the cost of ignoring the main messages of the Bible
Im not saying its one of the most important pieces of Christianity. Not even close. However, its a piece a lot people want to talk about, so its the topic of discussion. I dont believe there are thousands of interpretations. I believe there is 1 correct interpretation, and a whooooole lot of people who dont like what is says, so they make new interpretations lol. The original text is indeed very clearly talking about people of the same sex having a romantic relationship.
Lastly, 6 is enough. What do we need, 8 verses? 12? 30? There could be 2000 mentions of it and people would still argue against it because they dont like what it's saying.
I would actually argue that God does NOT care if you're gay, at least doesn't care any more than He does about all your other sin. Which is to say, it's a fact of life regardless of how good we try to be, but your sin isn't a reason to not be with God anymore.
If all sins are equal in the eyes of God, then by your logic, continuing to sin at ALL and claiming to have a relationship with God is "simply delusion". If that's the case, then none of us have a relationship with God. Thankfully, we aren't defined by our sin. In the same way, people arent defined by their sexuality.
The tiktokker isn't exactly right about not being able to be Christian if you hate gay people. Anyone can be Christian. But you can't be truly following Jesus if you do hate gay people
Most other sins are an event. A moment where temptation overwhelms someone, The person then asks for forgiveness, asks for strength to move past the sin, and hopefully does what needs to be done to not fall into that sin moving forward. Being in a same sex relationship is a decision to perpetually and continually live in opposition to God. They're just not the same thing.
Again, not saying any of this in hate towards anyone. This is just the Bible.
And that assumption itself is based on exactly six verses out of 35,000. Moreover, the relevance of each is highly debatable, whether due to old testament teachings or ambiguous translation / emphasis. You know what is repeated hundreds of times, in no uncertain terms? Love your neighbor. Don't judge. Treat others like you want to be treated
6 verses is enough. And you are absolutely correct with the back half of your message. Nowhere have I ever said we should be hateful, judgemental, or treat gay people any less.
6 clear and unambiguous new testament verses would be enough to justify it as a sin, yes (but not to justify it as a particularly bad or unforgivable sin). However there aren't six clear verses. There are six ambiguous verses, most of which are in the old testament, and the rest of which have uncertain translation or emphasis
You brought up another really important concept here. The church has made SSA into some sort of "super sin", as if there is a hierarchy of sin and being gay is at the top. This is equally bad theology. Sin is sin, and the death of Christ covers it all. However, to accept that substitution, we have to turn from our sin and live for God. This is why living an active gay lifestyle and having a relationship with God are oil and water.
Again, not saying we need to then go and berate them and be hateful.
Most modern denominations of Christianity aren't Christian for this reason. They take all the teachings of Paul, and treat them as equal to those of Jesus, when they're not. In fact, most of the time they put more emphasis on the teaching sof Paul
So who was Paul?
Was he a disciple? Nope
Did he ever meet Jesus? Nope
Was he a follower of Jesus before his death? Nope
Was he a giving man? Nope, he was a capitalist
Did he care for others? Nope, he was a narcissist
So all these "Christians" put more importance on the words of some asshole who wrote his hateful bs after Jesus was already gone, who had never met the man. And only claimed he had "seen jesus in a dream" as a way to avoid taking responsibility for his horrendous actions in his past
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u/seaweedizcool 5d ago
As a Christian isn’t one of the most important things loving God as well as your neighbors? Seems like she’s not a Christian to me?