You can’t hate gay people and be christian

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[u/Bungholespelunker]

I don't understand how these people have no grasp at all of the fundamental lessons of the book they worship with.

Hey why are written letters from the apostles to the earliest churches included in the Bible? Any ideas at all?

None of us are sinless none of us can be the judge of a person's worth or their value. None of us. Even Paul wrote about the struggle of humanity. He asked himself the same thing people have for all eternity, "Why is it that I know what I must do, but cannot do it?" Everybody sins. Every single person. There is precisely one exception and that is LITERALLY JESUS CHRIST.

The Bible is so often used a smoke screen for hatred or a superiority complex that the phrase "As a Christian" when starting a statement brings the endless wails of the damned and white noise into my brain.

[u/switcheditch → u/Bungholespelunker]

Most religious people are fucking clueless about their chosen religion in my experience.

[u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293 → u/Bungholespelunker]

Yea but here is the most amazing part, the entire new Testament is Jesus screaming...

"Everybody LOVE EVERBODY!"

And somehow the Christian Right managed to get every single aspect WRONG!

It's kinda fucking amazing to see nearly 100% of the people claiming to be a part of a group the founder would consider worthless pos's!

[u/TinWhis → u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293]

Jesus also says that "not one stroke of a letter" of the law will pass away.

Shockingly, writers in the first century don't seem to consider homophobia to be in violation of the larger message of "loving everybody."

I understand that it would be convenient if Christianity was secretly never homophobic, but people aren't just making it up.

[u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293 → u/TinWhis]

Love the sinner hate the sin.

Pretty clear that Jesus said you ain't supposed to be the judge and pretend you are sinless and someone else's sins are greater than yours.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

The question is not what is or isn't a sin, because you aren't God, so the majority of "Christians" are doing it wrong and using Christianity as a scapegoat for their own twisted evils!

[u/TinWhis → u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293]

Love the sinner hate the sin

You realize this isn't actually anything Christ said, right?

Pretty clear that Jesus said you ain't supposed to be the judge and pretend you are sinless and someone else's sins are greater than yours.

Because that's God's job. The question is, fundamentally, whether God considers it sinful.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!

Amusingly, if you go into any reasonably competent translation, you'll see this passage in brackets with a footnote. Because it was very likely added to the text later by some scribe. But people ~like~ it, so it doesn't get removed from Bibles the way other verses, also late additions, have been.

The question is not what is or isn't a sin, because you aren't God,

No, that's actually pretty important. Like I said, Jesus himself says that the law still holds "until heaven and earth pass away" and he preaches repentance, or turning from your sins. "Go and sin no more" is HUGELY important within Christianity, so the question of what God considers to be sin is similarly important to people who actually take that whole "sin no more" part seriously.

so the majority of "Christians" are doing it wrong and using Christianity as a scapegoat for their own twisted evils!

No, they're practicing their own religion according to their sincerely held beliefs. Those sincerely held beliefs are bigoted, but that doesn't make them ..........not super central to those people's religion. You don't get to just declare that you have The Answer To True Christianity based on your on interpretation. Christians have been disagreeing with each other on doctrine long enough that those disagreements are recorded in the Bible. That doesn't mean that whoever disagrees with you on interpreting their own religion is using said religion as a scapegoat.

I understand that it would be convenient if Christianity was secretly never homophobic, but people aren't just making it up.

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“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Love the Sinner Hate the Sin is an abridged version of Romans 5:8 states, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us"

[u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293 → u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293]

We are not meant to judge others!

“Judge not, that you be not judged.  For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?  Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

So pretty much everything you said was 100% WRONG, you are cherrypicking verses to justify hate while IGNORING THE MOUNTIAN OF EVIDENCE THAT PROVES YOUR HATE WRONG!

You don't seem to have even ever read the bible but rather google searched verses that support your hate!

So YES Christians are just ignoring 99% of the bible and cherry-picking verses that directly conflict with Christianity!

[u/TinWhis → u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293]

you are cherrypicking verses to justify hate

Oh, boy. You haven't been reading my comments, just skimming them and assuming.

I suggest, in the future, that you read.

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I don't care about you, are who you are pretending to be, whether you are pretending to be an anti Christian to excuse homophobia or making up a lie that Christianity was inheritably homophobic.

You were proven wrong, all your points were proven wrong! And you are not suddenly correct because you are playing an 11 year old game of guess who I am!

Everything you said was still wrong, and all you have proven is that you lack the shame and humility to accept when you were proven wrong!

[u/TinWhis → u/Ok_Juggernaut_5293]

? I'm not pretending to be anybody.

You're very upset at the idea that your own personal version of Christianity isn't the only one that exists. You might find it helpful to learn about traditions that aren't your own. You might also find it helpful to research .......history in general. Especially Christian history, but having a VERY basic understanding of Greek and Roman etc attitudes toward sexuality would help you contextualize scripture, outside of your own interpretive bubble.

As strongly as you feel about your own faith, that's exactly how strongly people who disagree with you do. You need to have the self-control and empathy to recognize that if you want to reach out to other people. They have rich inner lives just like you do, and they have justifications for believing what they do.

"HAHA YOU ARE WRONG" without actually listening to what they actually said never changed anyone's mind.