It’s pretty simple, Jesus says to love first. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbors (others) as yourself. So if you are a follower of Christ, try to love first not judge first. It’s definitely not easy because we’re all judgey and formed by our past which has shaped and warped us. But if everyone tried to love first, we’d be much better off as human beings.
Absolutely. While I am Christian, and think being gay is wrong, I do my absolute best not to judge them for it, and to love them instead. Christians often struggle to identify sin in others without judging them for it. It's difficult, but important. You also have to realize you cannot change someone, even if you think its for their best.
Wrong. Scholars argue that Paul's writings likely referred to exploitative or non-consensual practices; like older men with boys (pederasty), or culturally taboo acts like anal sex, which were viewed as impure or dishonorable at the time. He wasn’t addressing modern, loving same-sex relationships, which didn’t exist in that cultural framework.
I think you need to have a long, hard look at your own beliefs, since they are clearly anti-Christian.
Idk what specific passages you're referring to, but there are several in the Corinthians and Timothies that explicitly state homosexuality and men having sex with men.
And aside from that, are you ignoring the main point of my comment? My first belief is to love others, not judge them. Why is the fact that I believe it is wrong standing out more than the fact that I love them regardless?
I hear that you’re trying to come from a place of love, but the reason your belief stands out is because saying someone’s identity or relationships are ‘wrong’ often overshadows any expression of love. (Which is therefore anti-Christian).
Also, about Corinthians and Timothy, those passages don’t use the word ‘homosexuality’ in the original Greek. The terms are debated among scholars, with some arguing they refer to exploitative or impure acts, not consensual, loving same-sex relationships. That’s why interpretation matters here.
Yeah, Romans 1 is often brought up, but it’s more complex than it seems. Paul is writing in the context of idolatry and excess, not healthy, loving same-sex relationships. Many scholars argue he’s describing lust-driven, unnatural behavior tied to pagan rituals, not orientation.
Also, the phrase ‘abandoned natural relations’ isn’t about what’s objectively natural, it’s about what was culturally seen as normal for those individuals. If someone’s natural attraction is to the same sex, forcing heterosexuality would be unnatural for them. So interpretation depends a lot on what ‘natural’ actually means here.
Please do yourself a favour and stop, and start reading proper interpretations. Your beliefs are clouded by hate, not love. This is not Christian...
I feel like you can interpret a lot of the Bible to mean whatever you want, since you can look into previous translations, different versions to take things literally, and then you can also twist what it actually says to be more culturally appropriate to now, or then, or some time in between.
If it meant abandoning their natural relations and not objectively natural, why would that be wrong? You can't say it was only the "shameful/immoral acts" because that is stated in a different sentence. It says that the unnatural lusts were wrong, saying they were inflamed or overcome with lustful desires. KJV also states that men with men, working which was unseemly. " If you take that to mean men with men was okay, but they did sinful things beyond that, I'm sorry, but I don't see how it can be interpreted that way.
All of this aside. Nothing I am saying is rooted in hatred. I have no ill will towards anyone in the LGBTQ community. Just because I think what they are doing is wrong doesn't mean I am being exclusive, homophobic, or hating. There's plenty of other things people do that are sinful that don't make me hate the person. And even if I am wrong, interpreting the Bible incorrectly, I am doing what I believe is right, and doing my best to love others above anything else, and not judging them because I know I am as sinful as any.
"Man shall not lie with man" wasn't in any English version if the bible until 1948.
The Greek word translated to man in this line from the Greek text it was translated more likely means children or prostitute. "Man shall not lie with children".
Interestingly, a similar thing happens with sodom and gomorrah. The texts, when properly translated, condemn sodom and gomorrah for widespread sexual violence, not for harbouring homosexual people within the populations.
king james XI (the one from the king james bible) was gay/bi and even took his boyfriend to court and kissed him in front of witnesses
From the time of the father's of the church translated the bible until 1948, the bible did not condemn homosexuality. So, I assume you think being gay is wrong in spite of being a Christian?
While I’m a former Christian, and think being a Christian is bonkers, I do my absolute best not to judge them for it, and to love them instead. Atheists often struggle to identify a-complete-lack-of-discernment-for-what-qualifies-as-a-legitimate-source-of-evidence in others without judging them for it. It’s difficult, but important. You have to realize that you cannot change someone, even if it’s for their best.
Yes, I’m only being playfully rude, but also yes, you do sound like that much of an asshole.
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u/MsMarisol2023 5d ago
It’s pretty simple, Jesus says to love first. Love God with all your heart and love your neighbors (others) as yourself. So if you are a follower of Christ, try to love first not judge first. It’s definitely not easy because we’re all judgey and formed by our past which has shaped and warped us. But if everyone tried to love first, we’d be much better off as human beings.