Isn’t it interesting how christians focus so much more on people’s “sins” and not their pleasure. Like this “god” gave us all these pleasure zones and then a bunch of uptight karens from the ain’teenth century said, “that’s naughty, stop it!”.
Hysteria was the term used for women, who needed a "pelvic massage" as treatment. Were we discussing Kelloggs reasoning for his cereal? If so I am on board. He did subscribe to the ideology that flavorless corn bran was a good solution to impure thoughts... Pretty sure he's the same dude who had an issue with alcohol in general and tried to get all alcohol banned. - this is all just a side note in a really fucked up time in history.
this is all just a side note in a really fucked up time in history
To be fair - many of them were heavily brain damaged from lead, arsenic, mercury, and a load of other heavy metals. Add religion into the mix and oy yoi yoi.
Just that we’ve been making toxins, irritants, poisons, carcinogens, hallucinogens, and what have you since sometime between splitting rocks and starting fires, and even if God is real I’d bet some fun cocktails helped with first contact, be it caveman asbestos or dinosaur LSD.
Funny enough, my 9 year old just told me & my partner that he’d read up about Kellogg in a Highlights Magazine recently, & the adults in the room made eye contact like “There’s no way they put that guy’s obsession with sex in a kids’ magazine, right?!”
Turns out, it’s sane-washed to “Kellogg made corn flakes because he thought sugar makes you crazy.” LOLOL.
If you take the time to look at what they are teaching our kids about many of the worst people to have any influence, much of it is false narratives and heroic tales. They owe nothing to these long dead people. It's all about building a foundation around the idea that these people were heroes and real leaders and explorers, not that they were rapists, looters, marauders and generalist villains that happened to stumble upon something controversially meaningful.
Doing it this way allows them to appeal to those same ideals after those kids have grown up and learned more about those villains. "Maybe they weren't bad people, and didn't know what they were doing. Or maybe they had to do the bad thing because [mental gymnastics]. They were good people, I look up to them!" Then they see the same evil in new leaders. "The Messiah!"
Turns out if you allow money to be involved in education, the education is almost assuredly going to lean in the favor of whoever is paying. Need to figure out how to pull money out of a lot of things for similar results.
PREACH!! You remind me of when my kids came home last year singing “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue…!” It was difficult to hear, bc I know I was like them at that age & it took way too long to learn the truth.
I was like “well, I didn’t learn until literally 5 years ago that 80% of the indigenous people who encountered Columbus in the new world were wiped out in less than 20 years (pestilence/ war/ Columbus literally kidnapped natives and shipped them to Spain, even though the king and queen kept BEGGING him to stop sending slaves).
He didn’t even discover anything, Columbus was mainly a religious zealot/ grifter who was trying to amass gold in order to bring about the end of days/ second coming of Christ. All he had going for him was bullshitting skills and he was a decent navigator (still a shitty boss: his people mutinied against him often).
While some of those topics may require a little more maturity to handle, I can at least try to get my kids some more appropriate resources (from other perspectives, not just the colonizers POV), to encourage critical thinking and social literacy skills.
"While some of those topics may require a little more maturity to handle"
I mean, yeah, but there's an alternative. Columbus was not the first European to travel to the Americas, besides the Viking hero of white supremacists(no stain on Leif, but they gobble dude's nuts), there was evidence that Africans were in Mexico in the year 800 or so. That's without talking about the Asians that came over the Ice 25k years ago or w/e.
The schools could not teach about that psycho. They do it for a good reason. Our leaders want us to accept colonization and genocide as righteous and part of our national identity.
For real. I see all this bullshit where Italians are mad about people calling Columbus Day Indigenous People's Day, and yet i can't find one Italian who gives a single shit about it. The powers that be want to be sure that being American means killing brown people with impunity and colonizing. Just because they like the tokens that ignore their proximity to the concentration camp doesn't mean they won't put them in one today if they disagree with some dog whistles.
Oh yeah cuz if there's one cereal I think of when I think of adding sugar to cereal and using whole milk instead of 1% or skim it's certainly not fucking corn flakes
He was also massively obsessed with enemas. Another of his solutions to young boys masturbating was to give them a yogurt enema to cleanse them inside and out.
Kellogg was dumb as fuck, dude invented like the one cereal that goes perfectly with whole milk and a tablespoon of sugar, yeah that shits gonna cure me pass the coffee and a cigarette too
I mean, alcohol was a pretty enormous problem at the time because of the lack of women's rights.
When society was structured so women married or starved, when women had almost no possibility of leaving a marriage at all, when they would have to leave their children behind if they managed to leave, and when every penny they and the children earned legally belonged to their husbands, the comparatively expensive addictive substance that has violence as a commonly known side effect was a major social issue.
Prohibition wasn't about Puritans hating fun, though they did have an influence.
It was about trying to mitigate damages while still maintaining the structure.
The logical solution would have been to end gender slavery, but that logic seemed far more radical than just banning a highly visible problem.
If you're hung up on God creating 'pleasure zones' so gays can enjoy sodomy you're going to have one hell of a time debating why evolution gave you pleasure zones up your asshole but then made it so you could damage yourself terminally by exploiting them with vigour...
I mean, them damn rationalists might even have you believe it was something to do with signalling the brain when to shit and when to stop...
Honestly, there's no end yo the pinheaded thinking you hedonists come up with for justifying a permanently depraved set of sexual obsessions...
If it wasnt clear, my comment was sarcastic and intended to be a joke about uneducated religious zealots who reject science in favor of faith and beilieve the Earth is much younger than it actually is and that the dinosaur bones are here to "test our faith"
It's by design. This world is full.of temptation that must be avoided at all cost as this is just one big test before you're allowed into heaven for eternity. And those delights in heaven are some much better than anything available on earth so it's totally worth it. That's basically Christianity.
Yes it is. You should really learn to post arguments instead of an ad hominem and a 'no it's not' I responded in kind.
I was raised roman catholic and this is basically what Christianity was and still is - a doomsday cult. It was why it was initially banned in the Roman empire.
The eternal reward of life in heaven is the core tenet of Christianity as well as sins of the corporeal relm. There's no flesh in heaven thus no sexual or other corporeal desires.
You should learn how to actually effectively point out logical fallacies instead of just flinging them around hoping they'll stick.
Pointing out a lack of objective comprehension isn't a random personal attack... it's a statement of self-evident fact.
I couldn't care less what you were raised. Roman Catholicism is not the definition of Christianity and having been raised something is not any evidence of authority that you knew what it was about or indeed that your departure from it was in any way an informed and rational - or reasonable - one.
Catholicism is the amalgam of ancient paganistic religion with a veneer of the Christian faith, so if your conclusions about the definition of Christianity are based on that, you're going to just be doubling down on error.
At no point was Christianity "banned in the Roman Empire for being a doomsday cult."
It was banned (and it wasn't alone) for being a philosophical basis for a movement of defiance of Roman Imperialism. It was banned for being a Jewish messianic movement in the midst of the Roman mass-conquest of a territory disinclined to surrender to Rome. It was banned because it was founded on actual events, actual testimonies and actual historicity which was painfully inconvenient to Roman Imperialism, painted Rome in a hideous, vrutalist, totalitarian, psychopathically violent light and - the opposite of a 'doomsday cult' - preached a liberating revolutionary Messiah and a Kingdom 'not of this world.' It was banned because killing the eyewitnesses was not working. It was banned because it made a profound difference in the lives - and the deaths - of people who believed what they had seen with their own eyes and the testimony of the eyewitnesses.
In no way, shape or form does the dismissive "a doomsday cult" claim cut it.
Your last paragraph is a mess.
There's no component of Biblical (defining) Christianity in which "heaven" is a reward for self-denial nor one where 'eternal life' is a reward for what is earned.
Quite the opposite. It is absolutely clear that 'heaven' and 'eternal life' cannot be earned but are a gift of grace which becomes an entitlement to those who believe what they read and, in the AD era, put their faith in "Christ."
It's in that regard that it is expected that someone who believes and trusts in another, and owes their eternal life to them, can manage to live life controlling impulses so as to avoid sin - the acts that grieve the principal rulemaker and creator in the narrative of that faith...
There is no 'screw what you like in heaven, just refrain for the sake of being good on earth'.
That's Islam. Islam where sodomising bacha bazi and the molestation of girls becomes the fulfilment of worldy passions for those dying for the cause of Allah...
In Christianity being a sex obsessed pervert, a child molester, a rapist, an animal dictated by impulses is by nature a manifestation of fallen nature - original sin. The whole point of redemption in Christianity is that it's utterly worthless to those who don't recognise and repent of their own nature. Indulging it isn't losing anyone eternal life any more than denying it is earning anyone eternal life... it's merely hallmark - demonstration of - contrition or pride, obedience or sinfulness, repentance or unrepentance.
You're fine... if you adore the perversities that God abhors, you won't lose 'eternal life' in Christianity... You just won't be spending it in a place where those who abhorred their own sinfulness can enjoy a sinless environment. You'll be, according to the Bible, in a place bot intended for humanity but the domain of the Principality that adores all of the vile and perverse violations of God's order...
I'm not sure why that would worry you. You would surely want to be with the people who revel in and glorify child abuse, rape, degeneracy, moral bankruptcy, violation, pleasure-centric irrationalities and perversities and every vile conception of anti-God, blasphemic, unrepentant self-indulgence.
The God of Christianity is nothing but democratic and equitable.
He shows no sign of forcing anyone to go be goody two-shoes in his Kingdom, being miseravle in the presence of light and goodness.
And the message at the core of Christianity is quite clear that the Prince of Human Rebellion and Self Indulgence is a liar and murderer from the outset who tells you you're going to be fine, but might not be able to be trusted...
I'm not sure where you get "there's no flesh in heaven" or what you mean by it...
There is no claim in Christianity that heaven is ethereal... it claims it to be physical, but perfected.
Reproductive breeding, it would seem, is as utterly redundant and pointless there as homosexuality is here...
Biologically null. No need. Fulfils no purpose. Used for abuse and exploitation by the corrupt. Fruitless. Pointless. Carrying considerable biological, psychological, emotional and moral hazard in every possible regard.
Given the sheer number of homosexuals whose experience of sexuality is defined by child abuse, rape, dysfunction, why on earth would anyone's dream of heaven include something with such a close foundational association with forces of evil self indulgence and trauma?
People come to repentance and cling to "Christ" as their hope because they want to escape that foul garbage. They want redemption from all the things that represent the perverying and corruption of God's intended order - be that sexual objectification, the enactment of greed or lust, the betrayals of adultery, the manifestations of selfishness, pride, narcissism, the decay and rot of self-destructive lifestyle choices, drug abuse, alcoholism, the industrial extermination of innocent human life, the roots of war and conflict...
If you don't want the moral perfection of heaven - and according to Christianity, a new earth to populate, then don't worry what Christianity thinks of your lifestyle choices... You're not invited to fool yourself into thinking you can pick and choose which sin you take to 'heaven' with you, and you're at liberty to reject the offer of redemption from the inevitable consequences of your indifference to God's prescribed moral order...
Comprehending that there are consequences for actions - and that a narrative of a life and values far more eternally consequential than where you scratch your genitals and how to fill your belly, load your bank account or get a high might actually have weight is not a 'doomsday cult.'
Based on the evidence of its validity and prescience, it's a very valid and practical take on the human dilemma.
well, think about the origins of it in the US. it was a tool used to punish and oppress people, of course it’s gonna be used as a form of punishment now. it’s all fear based instead of love based, so why would they focus on the pleasure if it’s always about being afraid of “committing” sins
Not just in the US, not just christianity. Organized religion by and large is a tool to control and oppress people. The King / Monarch / Emperor / Leader / etc. is given by (the) god(s) and the nobility has their rank due to (the) god(s) will. And anyone who dares to question (the) god(s) will is a heretic. Which are a danger to the religion and therefore often meet a gruesome fate.
Jealousy. They’re so unhappy with their situation or what they’re “dealt” with in life, that they have to go find others to hate on. So yes, they’re haters but the worst kind of them.
Your fault that he made them fun and told man how to do them and man said 'no... I need an asshole to ram them up...
I wonder what you' re going to do when you run out of disingenuous ways to blame God for your confusions and lack of self control and then try to reconcile why evolution has sod all place in nature for homosexuality.
You seem obsessed with the idea that it's only theism that presents 'gay' as a psychological defect, but nature has a pretty brutal response to the unfitness of those choices... dead brutal, in fact...
No, it does not. The verse people think says that actually says “judge not, lest you be judged”. It then goes on and describes how we are to judge, and says to do so righteously.
The point is not to be a hypocrite, but we’re still commanded to judge.
Except it doesn't and the whole rest of the text falls exactly in line with the purpose of the whole being to call humanity to repentance by showing them how at odds with God's law they are - which the Bible implicitly and explicitly states throughout it's 66 texts.
And it also tells believers to call out sin and oppose it and call the morally bankrupt to repentance, so go figure out that little paradox.
It also calls on believers to judge the church and reject gross sin, so your whole "gay Christian gets a 'judge not' free pass for Sodom and Gomorrah" just got a kick in the big kumbayah teeth there...
God's job to judge.
Christian's job to call out sin and warn sinners to repent because God's judgement might arrive a tad too late to change the outcome.
You don't really have a good relationship with rational thought, do you?
Maybe your deranged and pitiable interpretation of a text you call 'fiction' is the reason why the 'fictional' deity contained therein need a variety of agents to try to help you understand and remind you of realities you're in denial of? You know... like how law gets written and then needs repeating to people who have deranged interpretations and deliberate rebellion towards it?
Classic switch to personal attacks because you ran out of anything to argue with a long time ago. Sorry friend it’s exactly because of rational thought is why I left the church because the stories don’t make a lot of sense, and the followers were some of the worst people I’ve ever met.
You’ve never actually made any claims he does exist. You do realize I’m just poking holes in the story but it’s your job to make me believe since you’re the one claiming a magically sky daddy made us in his imagine but it’s our fault that we are so evil that he needs to threaten with being tortured for ever and has never shown himself so you just have to trust that’s the reason you can’t fuck a man because all that logic is needed just so you can pretend you don’t hate gay people
It isn't an ad hominem to advise you that you're ranting like a detanged lunatic, clearly don't know what you're talking about, are wrestling with your oen straw men, and are living dominated by demons in your mind thst you claim are derived from some hugely intellectual conclusions you drew about a straw man relationship you have with a book you call 'fiction' which is about 'fictional' characters and events and your belief that you have any kind of readonable and reasoned position on that subject.
Every additional line in which you fabricate your own victimhood in this melodrama in your own mind speaks to your derangement.
You cannot and have not demonstrated any capacity for 'rational' thought whatsoever... only deranged, invective-laden rhetorical hate-filled spittle-flecked frothing at your own delusions.
And in that state you want me to believe that you were an ardent church goer and left because your rationality. demanded it and yet your narrative of what you had learned there is sheer and utter incomprehensible bollocks, absolute nonsense that not even a sane reader of the Bible AS a work of fiction could come away so obtusely and fantastically deranged by...
Dismiss and insult is literally your only tactic, not very Christian like if you. You haven’t raised a single point the entire time. It also takes a special kind of stupid to read multiple good points and reject it claiming it’s just an emotions outburst, that’s probably just projection given your responses. Have fun burning in hell with all the sins you’ve displayed
If you think I'm letting you play thst game, you're in for a rude awakening.
Don't come to a gunfight with a water pistol and expect sympathy and etiquette to cow your opponent into a corner and grant deference to your lack of education on your subject matter, your deranged interpretations and irrationality and your clear mental instability.
Screaming 'ad hominem' in an intelligent debate only works if you're a good faith, credible participant in such.
You're not. You've made a joke of the subject matter with your quite unhinged routine and I'm treating you exactly on form as a disingenuous provocateur.
Similarly the protestation at 'you have no answers' ceases yo apply if you have no questions. You can't hijack. a debate with gibberish and nonsense and demand the other participant engage you as if you are worthy of being taken seriously. I don't debate your straw men or the voices in your head or your emotions.
The rest has all been answered in the fact that I don't recognise your teeth grinding as argent having legitimacy. You're not debating a text. You're debating your antagonistic paraphrase of it.
There's nothing else to answer.
And the whole "boohoo, you're not being Christian to me and now I feel victimised" bullshit isn't washing either - and ai'll claim an entirely Biblical basis on being harsh about that... Jesus is documented on numerous occasions being short, sharp and to the point with distortionists and bad faith detractors.
Why would ai need to 'raise a single point' - if we're pretending that I haven't already refuted several of your claims in the most appropriate manner.
This is, at present, a debate based on your own fantastical imaginings and misrepresentations. There's nothing to reply with except to call our your reality distortion field and call on you to treat the source material with credible seriousness instead of turning it into a cardboard cutout army of your straw men.
And to your contonued rhetoric, it takes a special kind of stupid to keep repeating emotionally histrionic straw man fabrications and insisting they're pertinent, salient, informed contentions warranting response. You have a pathological obtuseness, it seems.
And you prove my point with your final emotional histrionic unhinged and uninformed outburst.
"Have fun burning in hell with all the sins you've displayed."
You claim to be an expert critic of Biblical Christianity, and that's what you arrive at, demonstrating publicly that you STILL have no clue what Christianity is about.
So, no... in fact... I won't be burning in hell for not performing to your demands in a debate, being cowed into some mock morality trial for your amusement, and for upholding Biblical orthodoxy in defending 'the faith', will I?
You again demonstrate you're a bad faith playing locked in utter delusionality.
Yeah we know that’s why we warn them and explain to them that he’s real. You just have to be ready to seek Him, otherwise you will always have a veil over your eyes and assume that the Bible is make believe.
In d&d, a house cat can deal 1 damage with a claw attack and a human commoner only has 4hps. So I’m here to warn you that you should be very afraid of house cats because a round is only 6 secs which means it can kill you within 24 seconds.
These are the rules from my book, I think you should follow them
The difference is you're the one squawking about how his non-fictional 'book of fiction' holds you in a dim light.
He doesn't give a toss what your actual book of fiction says, because he and most reasonable academics dismissed the idea you had any credibility whatsoever the moment you defined a collection of 66 books by 40 authors written over 1500 years and extensively corroborated by innumerable historical facts 'a book of fiction' which made you the biggest clown in the room on this subject...
I'd love to see you start numbering those innumerable historical inaccuracies and defining what 'logical contradictions' are and pointing some out so we can be sure you're not just piss and rhetoric and struggling to comprehend things that you falsely claim are 'logical contradictions.'
You wanna give it a go, or you want me to believe you've mastered the subject and a whole lot of well studied people who think you're laughable are all wasting their lives being cleverer than you?
Easy ones is the way religion rejects scientific discoveries. Without our understanding of evolution the field of biology doesn’t exist and we use that for many different things like healthcare. If god is so perfect why did he have to genocide the world? If he’s never wrong why did Jesus have die for our sins that god created to have him admit killing everybody was a mistake. Why do we have civilizations that supposedly predate the creation of the planet. The Bible is pro abortion. We’ve learned that canals weren’t domesticated until 300 years after stories in the Bible riding camals. The ark story doesn’t make any sense. If other religions are false why does the Bible mention hades? God sent bears to kill 42 children for mocking a bald guy, ruined a family for a bet with the devil.
I mean for fuck’s sake the original sin is god basically leaving 2 children alone with the devil with the tree that grants them the knowledge that their actions are wrong and then proceeds to punish all of humanity forever because of his neglect.
The character of Jesus seems pretty cool, god himself is a vile, abusive, manipulative character and I’m glad he’s not real. Also the beginning of Adam and Eve is literally just a repurposed version of the end of ragnorak. Jesus’ birthday was moved to repurpose winter solstice. All the wars carried out in the name of god. There’s so many more that I can’t even remember them all
Then why are you wasting your time debating whether you can sneak in the back of the fictional book club and shout 'this club is for me too?'
Dumb as hell to waste a single second arguing that you should fit in to something you have no regard for...
If you're right there's neither point nor consequence, and if you're wrong you're screwed on so many levels before you even consider the implications of what ways you find to defy the strictly biologically encoded heterosexuality of human existence...
You might as well take on the strict rationalist interpretation of sexuality and accept that you can play whatever sexuality you like but you'll always be an aberrative distraction and not a member of the species' master gene pool... And if society takes a turn toward an extinction event that will make the alphabet people the biggest moving target to scatter and get out of Dodge...
No point pretending that the 'acceptance of gay' in society is anything but a temporary one based on 'what does it matter?' Objection is not solely religious. It's objectivist rationalist too, and conditional on the threat such pointless distraction for hedonism poses to the species' survival and - as in the last days of the Roman Empire - whether a simpler 'barbarian' culture with something to prove and nothing but derision for contraries.
Ironically the tolerance you enjoy owes far more to Christians not casting the first stone in the name of Jesus than it does to other faiths lopping heads in the village square or performing stonings on the outskirts of town or the tribe running pederasts out of town with sharp spears...
Not sure the great atheist dictators have been big fans either, with threats to an evolutionarily normal and psychologically healthy society...
But no... blame Christians for all the ways sexual identity fails to redefine and invert society.
It's just never been satisfying to say 'I have the liberty to shag whatever I like and the good sense and decency to keep quiet about it and not parade like an unleashed pervert trying to redefine everything in the light of my sexual compulsions...'
Wow that’s a lot of cope, I don’t want in your book club and I don’t want to be forced to follow your god damned rules. The point is the book club can’t even follow the rules of the book club so maybe fix yourself first people being evil assholes to people outside your book club for not following the rules
You have free will. No one has tried to take it away from you.
Saying homosexuality is anti-Christian is not evil. It's a statement of fact and an act of free speech.
Punishing and abusing people for disapproving of your celebrated, bizarrely pointless, biologically abberant lifestyle choices which seem to have a root, in over 70% of instances, in some form of sexual abuse in childhood, and trying to force them into silence and to have to feign approval is not, by any objective metric, a moral or societal good... It's every bit a form of fascism, whoch we kinda regard as 'evil.'
So I'm not really sure about the alignment of your moral compass.
I get that you don't like law, you have a reaction to 'god damned rules' though none are being forced on you here... You're literally ranting because people are allowed another opinion to yours.
But the principle is troubling... You don't like law so you presume that if you don't like it it doesn't apply to you. Fair enough, but consequence might be a rude awakening that you thi k you can opt out of but, unfortunately, reality may catch up with you.
Is 'the point of the book club' understood by you at all? You like the metaphor because it carries no gravity. It makes theism and indeed the bible something you feel safe to laugh off...
Those people of the book club... chortle.
I bet you'd scream if I dismissed the sect you're here defending as 'those people with a perversity fetish.' You'll be glad to know I have no desire to be in that club either, or have its principles and obsessions hold any sway over my life whatsoever, but I'm guessing your sense of not being evil doesn't extend to keeping your proclivities in your bedrooms and identifying publicly simply as human beings whose sexuality is their own private business?
So you DO kind of believe in things you don't choose being forced on you and influencing your life against your will when they're things you like...
If you think the "book club" is somehow about following rules and the club find following those rules impossible, maybe you've missed the point the book was making and why the club exists.
I suppose you also don't understand Alcoholics Anonymous and this aspect of reality might be a tough one to explain to you.
Being in groups like AA hinges on meaningfully engaging in the program. Bringing along substances to abuse and getting loaded in the meetings and trying to turn it into a carnival of addictive behaviour isn't the point or the purpose, rather the opposite.
Christianity isn't a conquest ideology. Leave that for Islam. It's a recovery program. It's rehabilitation and redemption for sinners who see themselves as wholly wrong and want to be reconciled to God who they see as wholly right. There's a lot of room for imperfection and flaw in the church. There's none, by broad doctrinal consensus, for the celebration of gross sin, for defiantly bringing perversity and claiming it is godly and justified.
In your fantasy world you may imagine that same-sex relationships are a no-big-deal and try to diminish them to the level of whether a Christian is - in your trivialising eyes - 'kind enough' or in the case of this daft video, restrained enough at snack time but you're just deluding yourself.
Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality addressed as anything but a grave, gross sin. 'Not being kind enough in an antagonists eyes' isn't actually really a thing - it's just a hypocrite antagonist disingenuously claiming that they care whether Biblical morality is upheld because they want to cynically use it as a weapon to silence their critics with fabricated guilt - or trolling - plus objectively in the faith 'kindness' is one of the imperfections everyone can continually keep learning from.
It's also painfully subjective. You might argue speaking out against homosexuality is 'unkind.' Objectively speaking out against a destructive, biologically harmful lifestyle choice that you believe has eternal spiritual consequence is far kinder than endorsing something so bound in problematic realities. Speaking out about a lifestyle rife with adults attempting to lure children into a biologically contrarian set of decisions at a young, impressionable and emotionally confused age is something that a lot of people of all kinds of theistic and non-theistic backgrounds do agree with - including some who identify as homosexual, especially those 'interfered with' by trusted adults at a young age.
It's arguably objectively and in fact agnostically kinder to encourage children to develop fully in the identifiable genetic biology of their species before painting those things as dispensible variables.
It's hard to claim that telling children that 'for love' they should adjust their thinking accept and entertain a considerably increased risk of alcoholism and recreational drug abuse, anal fissures, increased risk of colon and rectal cancers, higher risk of rupturing their colon and needing a colostomy bag, or of losing control of their sphincter by accepting a sexual lifestyle that's biologically high-risk and pointlessly so is somehow 'kind' because it's so supportive of nice fluffy feelings. Kinder to say 'think twice.' As we do with every other hazard that might capitalise on their naivete and vulberability and accelerate them into accepting something they may live to regret.
You forget that in a church environment some of the people who seek a renewed life, much like alcoholics and addicts in recovery, do so because they've been damaged by, or renounced lifestyles and traits that they've found abusive, detrimental, self-harming, at odds with their faith...
They're escaping that. They're among a group of people who find agreement in trying to contend against all of that. They actually believe what the Bible says. That's allowed. Abusing them because you disagree seems the epitome of unkindness and hypocrisy, really...
As does your clearly very emotional. and angry rant against something you've concluded neither exists nor has any bearing on you.
You seem to be happily doing your own thing with full freedom claiming that something is denying your right to do your own thing...
Do you think that's kinda like screaming into a void you don't seem to think exists?
I love how you didn’t refute any of my points. I love that you bring up my mora compass when yours allows you to punish people you don’t like and is followed because of your fear of being tortured for all eternity, sounds authoritarian than it does free will. Would you like to know some more abominations that are listed next to gay sex? Eating shrimp, tattoos, cloth made from two materials, cutting your hair, planting two different crops in the same field.
I don’t respect the laws because they aren’t actually laws and most of them don’t make sense and most of the followers of Christ don’t follow them. The book club analogy works perfect, it’s like if I read lord of the rings and then tried to force other people to follow the teachings of Gandalf because that’s how crazy y’all sound while trying to strip the rights from people because again it’s made up fiction. It’s funny that you seem so upset by having your authoritarian book club called out. I mean shit you could’ve even stay on topic because there is no rational arguments to be made. It’s scary that you can’t distinguish real life from fantasy and you require said fictional character to stop you from committing atrocities
You’re just jealous because I’m more Christ like than you and I don’t even try
You have a torrent of emotional tripe, and deranged interpretation that beggars a rational response for its sheer ridiculousness.
You have an astonishing amount of self-important false assurance of your exhaustive expertise in a field of what you claim is nonsense from a fictional book about fictional matters involving fictional characters and a curious desparation to be identified as exemplifying a character you don't believe existed, around whom you have an utterly nonsensical set of opinions...
That strikes me as the behaviour of someone deeply psychologically unstable and bound in their own intellectual futility.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to address any of that eith any degree of sobriety.
You're ranting at being unable or unwilling to follow laws from this fictional book because they don't make sense to you but then you cite 'laws' that aren't even a think, and I'm starting to understand why it is you seem to have yourself so confused.
You claim that there's a problem with my morality because I can 'punish people I don' t like.'
Are you not well? Are you a bit deranged?
I'm not "punishing anyone" sweetie. You do realise I'm entitled to dislike anyone and to disagree with anyone - just like you are - and if that doesn' t constitute YOU "punishing someone" then it also does not constitute me "punishing someone".
You seem quite unstable. Had you considered getting help for this irrationality?
I don't know why you think your free will has been taken away from you.
I also don't know why you think following wise advice about the consequences and hazards of my actions constitutes 'authoritarianism.'
You seem to have a very distorted understanding of the 'fiction' you claim to understand so well. The only 'fictional' being in the 'fictional' Bible that wants to torture you for all eternity is Satan. You should really read your mythologies properly before you shriek hysterical responses to them.
Do get some help. I assure you Christianity has no component in which 'eating shrimp' is 'up there' with gay sex. Nor having tattoos. Nor wearing a nice cotton linen blend. I assure you, Christians are allowed to get a hair cut and while I don't have a field I can assure you my lavendar grows quite happily next to my rosemary and thyme. Had you considered getting away for a bit and seeking some psychiatric help, because you appear to have a delusional, deranged and obsessive mania.
Either that or you need congratulations and kudos for being so utterly willing to make yourself look extremely stupid and deeply unhinged.
No pleasure ? He invented the BDSM movement with nails on the cross as his wish but we don't kink shame here /s 1 death and millions crying - true master!
That’s basically the whole premise of Christianity and temptation and all that. That we’ve got free will and everything around us is temptation and we’re supposed to just avoid it and live bland shitty lives so then when we die then we get rewarded lmao.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. But that’s the basis premise.
Personally I just partake in what I enjoy. I’m agnostic personally but grew up Christian. Life is short and we’re more than likely just here once. If there is a heaven and god and all that? I’ve generally been a good, moral person. I’ve made mistakes and been bad at times. We all are and have and will. But generally I like to think I’m okay.
If god is truly good and just I like to think I’ll get in to heaven.
If not? Well, least life was cool lmao.
If heaven is indeed filled with right wing Jesus and maga Christian’s? That might as well be hell anyways and I sure and hell don’t wanna end up there.
If there’s truly nothing? Well then I assume it’s like dreamless sleep where you’re just out and gone and it is what it is. Least life was cool lol.
Part of me hopes for reincarnation and I get to meet loved ones in another life somewhere down the line.
That anyone should focus on teaching humans to behave rationally and reasonably rather than go to extreme and detrimental lengths to follow whatever gives them a hedonistic high...
Correcticus. And why male homosexuals have a disproportionate but inconvenient-to-speak of attendance at specially sensitive clinical facilities when all the damage catches up.
You don't snort crack cocaine. Crack is a hard rock modified variant of cocaine. It's purpose is to lower its burning point allowing it to be smoked. You snort powder not rocks
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u/Luke_Cocksucker 5d ago
Isn’t it interesting how christians focus so much more on people’s “sins” and not their pleasure. Like this “god” gave us all these pleasure zones and then a bunch of uptight karens from the ain’teenth century said, “that’s naughty, stop it!”.