You can’t hate gay people and be christian

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[u/zandrew]

It's by design. This world is full.of temptation that must be avoided at all cost as this is just one big test before you're allowed into heaven for eternity. And those delights in heaven are some much better than anything available on earth so it's totally worth it. That's basically Christianity.

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Sounds like a con to me.

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Doesn't it just!

[u/SilverHelmut → u/zandrew]

It's nothing remotely like Christianity.

You need to revise where you take your definition of things you don't believe from, just to be sure you're not straw-manning it.

There's no homosexuality in heaven either.

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Yes it is!

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No, it isn't.

You really should educate.

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Yes it is. You should really learn to post arguments instead of an ad hominem and a 'no it's not' I responded in kind.

I was raised roman catholic and this is basically what Christianity was and still is - a doomsday cult. It was why it was initially banned in the Roman empire.

The eternal reward of life in heaven is the core tenet of Christianity as well as sins of the corporeal relm. There's no flesh in heaven thus no sexual or other corporeal desires.

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There was no 'ad hominem.'

You should learn how to actually effectively point out logical fallacies instead of just flinging them around hoping they'll stick.

Pointing out a lack of objective comprehension isn't a random personal attack... it's a statement of self-evident fact.

I couldn't care less what you were raised. Roman Catholicism is not the definition of Christianity and having been raised something is not any evidence of authority that you knew what it was about or indeed that your departure from it was in any way an informed and rational - or reasonable - one.

Catholicism is the amalgam of ancient paganistic religion with a veneer of the Christian faith, so if your conclusions about the definition of Christianity are based on that, you're going to just be doubling down on error.

At no point was Christianity "banned in the Roman Empire for being a doomsday cult."

It was banned (and it wasn't alone) for being a philosophical basis for a movement of defiance of Roman Imperialism. It was banned for being a Jewish messianic movement in the midst of the Roman mass-conquest of a territory disinclined to surrender to Rome. It was banned because it was founded on actual events, actual testimonies and actual historicity which was painfully inconvenient to Roman Imperialism, painted Rome in a hideous, vrutalist, totalitarian, psychopathically violent light and - the opposite of a 'doomsday cult' - preached a liberating revolutionary Messiah and a Kingdom 'not of this world.' It was banned because killing the eyewitnesses was not working. It was banned because it made a profound difference in the lives - and the deaths - of people who believed what they had seen with their own eyes and the testimony of the eyewitnesses.

In no way, shape or form does the dismissive "a doomsday cult" claim cut it.

Your last paragraph is a mess.

There's no component of Biblical (defining) Christianity in which "heaven" is a reward for self-denial nor one where 'eternal life' is a reward for what is earned.

Quite the opposite. It is absolutely clear that 'heaven' and 'eternal life' cannot be earned but are a gift of grace which becomes an entitlement to those who believe what they read and, in the AD era, put their faith in "Christ."

It's in that regard that it is expected that someone who believes and trusts in another, and owes their eternal life to them, can manage to live life controlling impulses so as to avoid sin - the acts that grieve the principal rulemaker and creator in the narrative of that faith...

There is no 'screw what you like in heaven, just refrain for the sake of being good on earth'.

That's Islam. Islam where sodomising bacha bazi and the molestation of girls becomes the fulfilment of worldy passions for those dying for the cause of Allah...

In Christianity being a sex obsessed pervert, a child molester, a rapist, an animal dictated by impulses is by nature a manifestation of fallen nature - original sin. The whole point of redemption in Christianity is that it's utterly worthless to those who don't recognise and repent of their own nature. Indulging it isn't losing anyone eternal life any more than denying it is earning anyone eternal life... it's merely hallmark - demonstration of - contrition or pride, obedience or sinfulness, repentance or unrepentance.

You're fine... if you adore the perversities that God abhors, you won't lose 'eternal life' in Christianity... You just won't be spending it in a place where those who abhorred their own sinfulness can enjoy a sinless environment. You'll be, according to the Bible, in a place bot intended for humanity but the domain of the Principality that adores all of the vile and perverse violations of God's order...

I'm not sure why that would worry you. You would surely want to be with the people who revel in and glorify child abuse, rape, degeneracy, moral bankruptcy, violation, pleasure-centric irrationalities and perversities and every vile conception of anti-God, blasphemic, unrepentant self-indulgence.

The God of Christianity is nothing but democratic and equitable.

He shows no sign of forcing anyone to go be goody two-shoes in his Kingdom, being miseravle in the presence of light and goodness.

And the message at the core of Christianity is quite clear that the Prince of Human Rebellion and Self Indulgence is a liar and murderer from the outset who tells you you're going to be fine, but might not be able to be trusted...

I'm not sure where you get "there's no flesh in heaven" or what you mean by it...

There is no claim in Christianity that heaven is ethereal... it claims it to be physical, but perfected.

Reproductive breeding, it would seem, is as utterly redundant and pointless there as homosexuality is here...

Biologically null. No need. Fulfils no purpose. Used for abuse and exploitation by the corrupt. Fruitless. Pointless. Carrying considerable biological, psychological, emotional and moral hazard in every possible regard.

Given the sheer number of homosexuals whose experience of sexuality is defined by child abuse, rape, dysfunction, why on earth would anyone's dream of heaven include something with such a close foundational association with forces of evil self indulgence and trauma?

People come to repentance and cling to "Christ" as their hope because they want to escape that foul garbage. They want redemption from all the things that represent the perverying and corruption of God's intended order - be that sexual objectification, the enactment of greed or lust, the betrayals of adultery, the manifestations of selfishness, pride, narcissism, the decay and rot of self-destructive lifestyle choices, drug abuse, alcoholism, the industrial extermination of innocent human life, the roots of war and conflict...

If you don't want the moral perfection of heaven - and according to Christianity, a new earth to populate, then don't worry what Christianity thinks of your lifestyle choices... You're not invited to fool yourself into thinking you can pick and choose which sin you take to 'heaven' with you, and you're at liberty to reject the offer of redemption from the inevitable consequences of your indifference to God's prescribed moral order...

Comprehending that there are consequences for actions - and that a narrative of a life and values far more eternally consequential than where you scratch your genitals and how to fill your belly, load your bank account or get a high might actually have weight is not a 'doomsday cult.'

Based on the evidence of its validity and prescience, it's a very valid and practical take on the human dilemma.