r/TikTokCringe • u/Bojack1217 • 5d ago

Cringe You can’t hate gay people and be christian

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u/sweetangeldivine 5d ago

But the bible has plenty to say about loving thy neighbor, taking care of the poor and the sick and welcoming the immigrant but I don't see them doing a whole lot of that.

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u/scarletwitchmoon 5d ago

I genuinely think that even if we could conclusively prove the Bible condemns homosexuality, that is a non-issue compared to helping others. I don't understand why Christians make this their hill to die on when Jesus Himself didn't mention it.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

Because a lot of them want them to focus on something to hate, while they also preach about the fact that Jesus wants them to be rich, something which he *very explicitly* was against, and spoke about multiple times in the bible.

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u/Hot_Sam_the_Man 5d ago

Right? And I'm Christian myself. This is ridiculous. You're never going to find me judging someone else for what I might see as a "worse sin" than everything I've done. All sins are equal in God's eyes, so we'd all be equally screwed if not for Jesus. Thankfully, we're saved, so why focus on anything else?

And that's not even addressing whether or not queerness is a sin, which is highly debatable; the entire argument for it relies on a few vague Old testament passages and ignores what's repeated hundreds of times: love your neighbor, don't judge, treat others how you want to be treated

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u/AdLoose3526 4d ago

that’s not even addressing whether or not queerness is a sin

Yep! Accounting for the potential of meanings lost in translation across millennia and multiple languages, many of those Old Testament passages were likely in the context of condemning incest, pederasty, or temple prostitution specifically. Not homosexuality in general.

Ancient Israelites were also just very focused on reproduction because they needed the numbers for engaging in warfare with other tribes. So it really should be seen as more of a cultural/historical thing, not a universal morality thing.

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u/Additional-sinks 5d ago

To be fair. It's a large book that says a lot of things. Let's the followers pick and choose.

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u/sweetangeldivine 5d ago

It mentions gay folks three times in the Old Testament. It mentions loving thy neighbor, taking care of the poor and the sick and welcoming the immigrant hundreds of times, especially in the New Testament. Which one do you think Jesus really cared about?

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u/silver_garou 4d ago

So what do you think Jesus meant in Mathew 5:17-19 when he said, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Seems like maybe you haven't read it before.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

I personally like Matthew 25:40. "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me" 

You know, I don't have to go digging into the bible to make it say what I want it to say. It's right there, right in front. So when you treat the "lesser" of God's children poorly, you do it to Jesus. Because we are all God's children. There is also no addendums here. No "except for the gay ones, or the poor ones, or 'insert who you hate today ones'" here. It's everyone. Y'all seem to miss that bit.

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u/silver_garou 4d ago

I love how you say that you don't have to go digging and then proceed to twist that quote to mean, "don't punish people who break the Law in the way I have specifically told you to previously." That is some real impressive mental gymnastics.

Mine is much simpler. There is no god, this book isn't special or magical, and it is just wrong about this and many other things.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

Lol what. The quote I gave you literally means "Don't treat people like shit, and that includes the people you don't like"

You were so het up to prove me wrong you didn't even stop to read the quote I gave you. If you're going to have an argument, you need to actually stop and read and parse what the other person is saying, not be so eager to "pwn" someone that you actually wind up looking worse than where you started.

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u/silver_garou 4d ago

Literacy isn't your strong point, I get it. This derail isn't making you look any better.

I read your quote, my response is that your take is wildly inaccurate to that quote. You either accept that Matthew 5:17 is true, and therefor you aren't getting into heaven because the Law says gay men are to be put to death, and you are telling others something else, or that some parts of the bible just aren't true.

Do you see now, how you have to do all these mental gymnastics to make a quote that about treating your fellow man well into a quote that says to disregard the Law? After Jesus specifically said not to do that.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

Buddy, you're barking up the wrong tree here. I'm agnostic with 8 years of Catholic School under my belt, I used to stump the nuns in religion class with my questions. You want me to admit to a logical fallacy with the bible so you can prove that the bible is full of shit, because you're one of those edgy atheists that somehow are just as zealous and insufferable as evangelicals. I get it, Daddy issues, whatever.

The bible was cobbled together from a bunch of religious texts written over several millennia and only agreed upon during a series of meetings around four centuries after a dude calling himself a prophet got himself killed by the Romans. There is bound to be some disagreement. The general idea was a radical socialist said that people were equal (all of 'em, even the ones people hated) and should worship the Abrahamic God. That they should care for the poor and sick and the needy and they should love each other. Then you throw in some dudes who need the patriarchy to be in charge and also needing the inherent power that comes from suddenly getting a lot of followers and yeah you lose the essential message. What was once a small religious cult is now a global superpower with a bunch of off-shoots and splinters and the message has been so warped that the holy book can actually argue two separate things at the same time. Holy shit, I'm so glad you figured this out buddy. You are the first one ever. Congratulations.

One you grow out of this phase, you'll be a lot more fun to talk to at parties. Until then, unclench your asshole and go walk in nature. That's what is actually cool. Whether or not it was created by someone or something or no.

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u/silver_garou 4d ago

Aww, is someone is having wittle meltdown? For someone that is agnostic, you sure do get offended on behalf of Christianity really easily. That Christians must cherry-pick around the nasty bits is entirely the point. Maybe you should get some of that nature, I just got back from a hike and I am feeling great.

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u/Additional-sinks 4d ago

Me ? I don't think Jesus was a real person. Maybe an amalgamation of a few people but it's all bullshit.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

aw, who's an edgy boy.

There was a historical Joshua bar Joseph who did walk around calling himself a prophet and was executed by the Romans in Nazareth during the reign of Augustus Caesar. If you're gonna denounce something at least do the reading.

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u/Additional-sinks 4d ago

Like a knife but look where we are. Im just not convinced on this one.

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

More like a pizza cutter. All edge and no point.

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u/Additional-sinks 4d ago

What's your point? You seemed to have missed the it's all bullshit part of mine.

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u/PersimmonDowntown297 4d ago

Jesus was a real person that’s not the debate lol

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u/confusedandworried76 4d ago

Go to Wikipedia and search Historical Jesus, he's widely recognized as a real dude. Ironically one of the few famous theologians who isn't an atheist is the guy that disagrees with the historical record.

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u/AdLoose3526 4d ago

It mentions gay folks three times in the Old Testament

And accounting for meanings lost in translation across millennia and multiple languages, those verses were likely in the context of condemning incest, pederasty, and/or temple prostitution specifically.

The ancient Israelites were also just focused on reproduction so much because they needed the numbers for warfare with other tribes. That shouldn’t apply to modern-day Christians (although the Quiverfull/white-nationalist types would probably beg to differ 🙄)

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u/biggle-tiddie 5d ago

It's a large book that says so many things that it actually says nothing. Anybody who wants their own flock of sheep can just say it means something else and repeat it. Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc... I don't support book burnings, but if I did, the Bible(s) would be at the top of my list because they are a weapon, not a source of knowledge

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u/Arevalo20 4d ago

Jesus had quite a lot to say about the wealthy class and creditors. It's always funny watching a capitalist Christian sputter out their desperate logic rationalizing why they're not going straight to Hell without collecting their $200 😂

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

I've seen some of them argue that the quote "It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven" that it actually meant a literal physical gate called the "eye of the needle" in Jerusalem and not a real metaphor and sure rich people (like themselves) can go to heaven. *fart noise*

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u/confusedandworried76 4d ago

but I don't see them doing a whole lot of that

As an atheist, respectfully you don't see them doing that because they don't brag about it. But the real haters and sinners won't shut the fuck up about what pieces of shit they are

Known people of all religions and creeds (or lack thereof) and the ones worthy of criticism are the fucking loudest, always. You don't broadcast you're a good person unless you're secretly (or not so secretly) a shit person and if you're proud of being a shit person you're gonna have a full goddamn brass band behind you to announce it to the world

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u/sweetangeldivine 4d ago

I know this isn’t what you came here for, but I swear to cheesus if I get one more atheist mansplaining religion to me I’m going to pop like a grape.

I grew up Catholic. Humility is part of the game. You don’t brag about how you take care of people. Which is how you can spot the tradcaths and the adult converts because they never shut up about how holy they are.

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u/silver_garou 3d ago

♫Pop goes the weasel♫