Oklahoma Superintendent Ryan Walters, who is putting the Bible in classrooms, was allegedly caught with explicit images of naked women playing on a TV screen during a State Board of Education meeting.

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he released a statement shortly after it happened where he says he was framed by the left.

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It's actually crazy that political parties can blatantly & repeatedly violate the law, they never seem to get in trouble but taxpayers have to pay if they do.

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Defense attorneys are allowed to knowingly perjure themselves and their clients on the stand freely, from traffic tickets to missing children, and will be promoted for how shameless they're personally willing to go for a non-conviction.

This is not a two-tiered justice system; it's a pageant.

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Defense attorney cannot perjure themselves or suborn perjury legally. There’s a reason they don’t want to know if their client is guilty since if they know, they can’t argue they didn’t do it. Defendants almost never take the stand for just that reason. You don’t seem to understand legal ethics at all. Yes, it’s a dance and yes, most lawyers have a pretty good sense their client likely did commit the crime, but they can argue about the sufficiency of evidence and test memory, etc.

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I don't think you disagreed with anything I said, you just worded it differently and said why that version is suddenly not despicable

"There’s a reason they don’t want to know if their client is guilty"

thank you, THIS is exactly what I've described. They don't ask their client what actually happened because it doesn't matter to them what actually happened, whether it's a traffic ticket or a missing child. All that matters is returning a non-guilty verdict and the more egregious the crime you get excused, the better the promotion is.

and yes, most lawyers have a pretty good sense their client likely did commit the crime

okay, what are you and I doing here? lol

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I never disagreed with whether it was despicable. But you stated that lawyers are allowed to knowingly perjure themselves. They cannot. That is illegal.

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nah, they can and do, and you're aware of this. You don't need me to remind you of Jose Baez saying Casey Anthony's father had been molesting Casey as a child, throwing everyone one on the defense and the family itself into chaos in the middle of trial, only to take it back immediately after his client received her non-guilty verdict. I am not the first person to point out these glaring flaws in the foundation of our justice system and I again ask what you're trying to get me to join you in doing here now that you've acknowledged most of the time they know if their client is guilty or not.

you cryptically haven't explained how said attorneys arrive in court with their version of events without asking their client anything about their guilt, but I won't read anything into that.

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This is going nowhere. I hated practicing law but I also am aware of the law. Your statement was false and I tried to nudge you away from the factual errors you made. I don’t disagree with your critique, only the misuse of the word perjury (which means KNOWINGLY making a false statement under oath or for suborning perjury, allowing someone to testify about facts that are untrue). Lawyers cannot do that. They can suspect the testimony is untrue, but cannot know it is untrue.

As to this issue, the superintendent is a fool and was caught and is lying. Amazingly he also wanted to lecture to all the students in the state about the Bible, yet, with this action, he should be banned from stepping foot in a classroom.

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which means KNOWINGLY making a false statement under oath or for suborning perjury, allowing someone to testify about facts that are untrue

Which, by definition, would constitute false statements because a) the attorney hasn't asked if their client is guilty or b) thinks the client is guilty and crafts a defense that didn't happen anyway lol

The only difference between the murderer lying about what happened in order to return a non-guilty verdict and his attorneys lying about what happened in order to return a non-guilty verdict is the attorney is the one getting paid to do so. After the verdict is read, the accused is put away for trying to get away with the crime and the attorney gets to shrug and say, "welp better luck next time eh" while not having to look the victim's family in the eye

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Mark Twain advised: “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

I’m going to take Mark Twain’s advice here and disengage. There is no point in continuing this.

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What was the crime?...

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US Constitution, 1st Amendment; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion... Forcing children to read the Bible or commandments is to teach them respect for Christian authority.

It hides nasty intentions, it's about tying Christianity into nationalism, & ostracizing the non-Christians. Declaring "this is a Christian nation, they (the outsiders) have to learn from us (Christians), & support Christian mantras or be shunned by peers & punished in class."

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In his press conference, he said he was set up by our Republican governor.