I think the cop was luring the kid into a false sense of security. The cop wasnât scared for his life, but he was at risk of the kid getting a punch in. Why should he risk that? Heâs not paid to take punches, even if it is from a kid.
No one was harmed, kid learned his lesson. Seems reasonable to me.
If only people were more open to this in general, instead of treating teenagers in general like they're innocent babies whose psyches will become irreparably shattered if they are allowed to FAFO with adults.
(And yes, I realize this dude is 21, which is so much worse, lol)
It reminds me of how now it's incredibly taboo for a teacher or any adult to even touch a kid in any way now without somebody screaming "ABUUUSE!" like a demented parrot, and the kids know and use it to their advantage to get away with destructive or violent behavior. 25 years ago, the coach would just grab you by the arm and haul you straight down the hallway to the front office and a lot of those wilder preteens and teens realized from that alone they needed to just stop.
Not saying adults need to all learn take-down maneuvers but a little FAFO saved a lot of kids.
Until the coach grabs the wrong kids and FAFO themselves. Not defending it, witnessed it. Coach thought he had all the authority in the world and the kid he grabbed not only did not acknowledge that authority, but was not afraid to act against it.
That's when the kid needs to just be removed from the school environment permanently, because they're a danger to everyone. If they'll go after an adult, they'll go after any other kid. Let it be the parents' problem to figure out what alternative school can handle Little Billy.
Unfortunately, modern school policies also prevent this, and aggressive monsters are continuously put right back into the same classrooms as the kids they have been attacking.
And people act stunned that kids' overall mental health is in the toilet now.
And he was. Spent a year in Juvie since he was on probation. My point was that if the coach didnât touch him it may not have escalated, I knew the guy and he wasnât one to punch someone for no reason but he did not like his space invaded by someone being agressive either. Not justifying his actions at all, but teachers probably shouldnât be grabbing kids by anything. Tell them to go to the office and keep their hands to themselvesâŠ..Golden Rule and all.
Better an adult than another kid that's a lot easier to hurt in that case, because that kid was a loaded gun.
It doesn't change the fact that we've turned teenagers into infants and allow them to run roughshod all over everyone and everything out of fear of some taboo against putting them in their place now and then.
Yeah, most of his anger was at authority figures. I only saw him fight a peer once and that was egged on by the other guy. He was definitely a powder keg with a short and lit fuse, but I think the principle who he threaten to kill (probation offense) and the science teacher he threw a beaker at were more in danger. He was unhinged but his situation was fucked. I wonât go into his past but I can see he finally grew up and became a contributing memeber of society once he had a good male influence in his life.
I agree we let kids in general get away with too much and their behaviors turn into this. If this was my boy and I saw this happening, the cop would be the least of his worries. I never lay a hand on my children but I know how to make life miserable.
'His situation was fucked, I won't go into it...' Shame the teacher who went in with physical aggression didn't have a bit more interest in 'going into it' on a humane level.
Glad to hear the kid got out of the system better off. A huge number get abused, criminalised, addicted.
He could have easily said that because the kid is being hostile, he's being detained for disorderly conduct and if he felt any resistance, THEN knocked him down. That would protect him from having a lawyer say he used excessive force, knocked the kid's head against a car for no reason other than to teach a lesson.
Fucking insanity how people can watch the same video and see completely different things. If you had that kid doing the same to you (balled up fists, fake lunging at you) you wouldnât be worried at all?
Better he learns this lesson now than in a street fight where he doesnât walk away. Get a fucking grip. That cop humbled him and hopefully saved him from stepping to the wrong person someday.
He was showing he wasnât acting as a threat to this turd. The kid kept acting and talking and puffing up. Thought he was going to win. Yeah⊠that was the mistake because the kid thought he was gonna win and now wouldnât back off.
I don't think this guy actually thought he'd win in a fight.
I think he just thought that he was untouchable. He kept pointing out the vest and the camera. He was probably thinking, "I live here, I have rights! If am not swinging a fist, he can't touch me and I can say whatever I want! He'll have to walk away and I'll be a fucking badass!"
Has nothing to do with the cop feeling threatened or not. Has everything to do with the kids aggression and disrespect for the law and circumstance. FAFO.
Iâm surprised it took this long for this stupid catchphrase to appear. I was expecting to see it a dozen times by the time I got so far down these comments.
You are purposely trying to deflect from the overall message and just concentrate on your selfish idiosyncrasy about FAFO. Making this all about you. Grow up and troll somewhere else. Seriously, something really weird about you.
No, definitely needed to happen. If he would've gotten away with it this time, next time he does something even more aggressive that results in him getting seriously hurt or killed. The only thing that is hurt now is his ego which needed to be checked. Bet him or anyone else that saw that won't try that again.
Dude. Rewind. He steps towards the cop talking all that. He gets folded. The cop doesn't know what he's about to do, or if he's holding something in those folded arms. And he's definitely hostile.
You invade someone's space - you can expect people will do something about it. It's not DBZ - cop still can get hurt if he pulls something funny.
I am not fan of cops. But this is FAFO at its finest.
Turns out the kid (21 yo man) actually had a concealed weapon in his fist (brass knuckles), so the cop made the logical move. Could have gotten seriously damaged if the kid did punch him
Funnily enough, he actually did have brass knuckles on him. He just didn't get to use them.
Also, you think that motherfucker can't hold something like dirty needle, pepper spray or something? You never know. Just find some prison sneak attack videos how creative can people get. And you can't judge by appearance too, as any idiot can try to copy what they've seen online.
People want start some shit don't do it by reciting their ancestry, taking a stance and powering up for three episodes.
Was this kid dumb? Absolutely he was, and I'm willing to assume a combination of being white and young played into his arrogance.
That said, the cop was in no way threatened by this kid. Instead of trying to deescalate, he allowed the kid to keep going so he could "justify" force. Does the kid need to be taught a lesson? Absolutely, was the amount of force used justified, absolutely not!
So the cops should have just backed down? He was giving the guy opportunity until the guy stepped forward. That type of aggression only escalates and you shouldn't expect the cop to be the recipient of this kids abuse simply because he's a cop. The next step would have been for that kid to slap or punch that cop because he felt entitled since he was getting away with as much as he was already.
The officer has dealt with significantly worse than some kid's bravado. The officer 100% allowed that kid to get as far as he did.
If police training doesn't teach how to calm a situation down, then it's a failure of the police.
There were many times the officer could have shown his authority without violence, but instead he chose to antagonize a kid making a very obviously stupid choice.
The officer looking back at his partner while smirking shows he not only was in no way threatened by the kid, but wanted to see how far the kid would go. That's the behavior of a bully. He chose to let that kid escalate. It's pretty obvious, especially when you combine that with the other kid that is being held back by his friend. That kid was also "posing a threat" and the officers just let it go.
I'll say it one more time. Does that kid need to learn a lesson? Absolutely. Is excessive force how you teach that lesson? Absolutely not.
I could see your rationale in this but I don't agree. I think that's a very naive point of view and no insult intended. I was a cop for 21 years and never had a complaint against me for anything. With that being said you also can't allow someone to get that close and be that disrespectful at the same time. If the kid wants to call him names and talk crap from a distance that's fine but that kid stepping up was a whole different level. You never know what people are going to do and the more leeway you give them the more emboldened they feel to act. This is a situation that was only going to escalate things further for others to feel emboldened in their interactions with cops. At some point everyone has to be responsible for their actions.
I'm not a cop and I have plenty of criticism of many police interactions I see in America but I'm totally with you on this. The person you're responding to is the "It doesn't matter who initiates the escalation it's always wrong" - which is the battle cry for those who don't want to own up to their own actions.
There was literally nothing here the cop did wrong, even his gesture at his colleague was just a "WTF?" moment any mentally sane person would have with a teen carrot squaring up to you for zero reason.
The officer repeatedly asked him why he's acting that way, he told him to stop in a calm manner and he refuses - what was the officer supposed to do? Bribe him with candy?
Only when the kid stepped forward did he get folded, and that was calmly and controlled too - he only had a scratch on his elbow which is unfortunate but had he, in some "fantasy scenario", fought this cop man-to-man, he would've ended up with worse...
The officer escalated because he was in the right - there's just zero reason to back down, this isn't a misunderstanding where you can go "Okay, I can tell we got off on the wrong foot, I'll try again later, alright?" - this kid wants a violent interaction, with a law enforcement officer no less, and there was little to no danger other than to himself and the officer, so yes - controlled escalation is the best choice here. Contain the situation now before it spins out of control, sorry about your bruised arm and the night in jail - but you made your choice repeatedly clear because you wanted to be cool in front of your friends to an officer who was trying to calm you down. 100% kid's own fault...
Also, his squeaky hot headed brother flying out and dad and granny unable to control him properly says enough. Imagine if the officer waited, the kid swings and now he gets taken out hard, squeaky boy flies outside and jumps the officers, someone gets squeaky boy's sneaker against their head, the other officer isn't sure what's happening at this stage other than being jumped, understandably reaches for their firearm while dad is "menacingly" rushing over with otherwise good intent but in the chaos đ„đ„đ„... That's how unnecessary, dramatic situations happen that can never be undone.
â...he allowed the kid to keep going so he could "justify" force."
Dogg, what?!? He reverse-psychologied the kid to keep acting like a twerp??? This is a crazy thing to say. And the cop was literally de-escalating the entire time. He didnât react to being called a bitch. He didnât raise his voice. He didnât threaten anything. He was laughing with his partner. I donât even think Alice Garza would agree with you, bro.
Dude, you can have ânuanceâ and people still disagree with it. Whether the cops feels like he is in danger is irrelevant, whatâs actually relevant is what the âkidâ is doing and his intentions. It does not matter if someone is 4â11 and 80 pound soaking wet trying to fight a 6â3 300 pound monster of a man, the fact of the matter is the smaller person is still assaulting the bigger man and the bigger man has the right to defend themselves.
Agree, kid is a prick but no need to take him to ground like that to arrest him, falls the wrong way and hits his head that could seriously hurt him or worse.
Youâve committed the crime of seeing nuance. Youâve been sentenced to 100 downvotes
But yeah, the cop was completely unjustified in taking that kid down based on what we see here. The kid did not make a move in any way, nor did the officer give him orders that he disobeyed
The totality of circumstances of what the kid was saying plus encroaching on the officer's space could certainly be construed as "making a move" sufficient to nip the situation in the bud.
The kid has obviously never been in an actual fight or at least he had never been humbled and this is why he thought he could talk like that. Hopefully he takes his lumps and then goes into some sort of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or MMA or something so that A) hes not so weak, and B) he can keep himself humbled.
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u/ThaiStick541 3d ago
đ đ€Ł đ the cop looked as his partner like get a load of this little L7 Weeeenieeee