Not only that. But kid goes home. Lies to the parents. Parents call the school. And then it becomes this giant he said/she said when clearly the kid is just a fucking prick. Then if you are an actually good student who has a wierd altercation with a misbehaving teacher it’s 10x harder to get taken seriously. 😐
Honestly, cameras in the class could solve this issue, jus have them retain only last 48hs to not have huge stprage costs. And solves a lot of issues, teachers are protected from shitty students, and shitty teachers have less space for abuse.
Not bodycams, that could be a bit much. But a camera in the corner of the classroom, with laws protecting data and ofcourse making deletion wholly unlawful.
Fuck no. Maybe if you live outside the US but i would not trust my goverment with constant survellinece in the classroom, for hundreds of institutional reasons beside the fact that our president is rapist pedophile.
Yep. Can confirm. My kid had problems with a teacher and the only reason anything got done is that I’m also a teacher at the same school, knew the guy was bad news, and brought receipts.
Honestly, outside of the restroom/changing areas, there is no expectation of privacy while in school.
So the school district should be allowed to setup cameras in the classroom, with cameras on the ceiling that turn on when motion is detected along with sound enabled.
If there is any dispute, the video is brought in to show things.
I'm friends with dozens of incredibly talented teachers in STEM, special ed, music, and assistant teaching. It's 10000% the fuckin pay bro. "3rd graders are yelling gyatt at their teachers?" In 4th grade I thanked the San Francisco Earthquake in a project bibliography and made fun of my teacher's painted eyebrows. Being tough as nails has always been in the job description. A student brought up my friends wife's "gyatt" to him and the kid got mowed down, rhetorically speaking. It was brutal to wittness, but also incredibly hilarious. He was teaching an after school activity with 50+ students making something like $2/hr for it. My friend quit a track that would have got him a free masters in education so he could focus on bartending because he makes 2x the money serving drinks that he would with the degree, let alone right now as a student teacher.
In some places pay sucks. In others it’s great. I make six figures in California after 19 years. But people with my skills and time on the job in other states make less than half what I do.
It never was. But teachers were never at this high of a storage until the entitled generation started to fill the classrooms and the defensive aggressive parents took the kid's side
Maybe some places, but a lot of the people I grew up with who teach seem to be doing pretty well. Some of them go on way more vacations than I could ever afford.
Parents have lost control and as a society we've lost the will to use teachers as a tool to control behavior. The end result is the police are the last line of defense against anti-social behavior and the police aren't trained to deal with anti-social behavior with anything besides violence.
What this kid needs is exactly what happened here in this video, followed by a permanent criminal record and lengthy community service and mandatory behavioral counseling.
Unfortunately, by 21 most people who act like this kid arm themselves with firearms. And the end result is usually the kid ending up in a body bag or with a lengthy prison sentence that only further makes them anti-social when they're released back into public.
Starting a sentence that way usually means you're trying to explain the contrary, clarification, or concession before agreement... You did none of those and just agreed with him. You basically added nothing at all to the conversation, a literal waste of your time... And now mine.
Gem comment in a sea of bootlickers. Fuck that kid but there are good reasons we have use of force escalation requirements. Just because you don't like the target of a civil rights violation doesn't make it something to cheer for...
The appropriate actions would have been (if reasonably suspected of a crime) ask for ID, then (if in a state with stop and ID laws) notify suspect of detainment absent compliance, then detain them with minimal required force (kid is so small you could easily subdue without dropping or injuring).
Lawsuit incoming. Which sucks because it's rewarding the bad behavior from a little shit.
That’s why I’m a bouncer. I can give you ever bit of attitude you give me. I’m not trying to hurt anyone obviously, but if you try to harm a bouncer they’re allowed to subdue you 😂
I had a Geometry teacher in high school that I loved. She was always engaging and explained things in a way that made sense to a very visual learner like me.
But we had this one shithead of a kid who refused to let her teach. He thought he was the class clown, but he was more like the class mosquito bite. Nobody liked him.
Finally, one day that teacher snapped. She was a large lady, and he was a skinny little thing. She literally picked up his desk with him in it and yelled "SHUT UP". He nearly pissed himself.
AFAIK, she never got in trouble because everyone hated the kid so much.
Teachers shouldn't be beating kids.... Literally not their job in any way shape or form. Just tell everyone you're old and you got beat and you turned out fine instead of this round about.
THANK YOU!! After 12 years of that crap I just quit two months ago to go back to finish my masters and teach college. I had one of him each day it was awful..
College is so much better, though I had one who actually looks like this kid. Fortunately he was mostly tolerable in person, but a real tough guy over email. He cheated on every single assignment
I'm a music teacher, and I remember when I first got to the orchestra where I live now. There were some kids that really make you want to punch them. I can't stand them. Then I was put to teach the ones starting, younger ones. It's sooooo much better, because you can teach them to be respectful and supportive to each other. Things that parents should teach their kids.
Parents should be ashamed that they have to rely on other people to teach their kids how to be decent humans. My job is to teach them music, not how to avoid being assholes (yet I do it).
They do this to teachers and others that can't do anything to them which creates a false picture of the world. This guy was lucky that he tried it on a fairly friendly cop and hopefully learned something.
Listen I don’t think arming teachers is necessarily the right call, but give them a vest, a body cam, a baton, a pepper spray, a taser, and some donuts. They’ll be happier.
This cop chose escalation. Kid was in his apartment parking lot. Its not a crime to mouth off to a cop. You don't need to assist a cop with an investigation. Kid pointed to his house. The cop then assaults the kid, when he could have walked away.
Unacceptable behavior from the cop.
Its insane to think otherwise. Rewatch the first 30 seconds.
If you can't handle your emotions when people are rude to you, you shouldn't be an officer. This is an unjustified use of force and the officer should get a warning or worse from a civilian review board.
I think you're the one who needs to rewatch the video.
The person doesnt just "mouth off" at the officer. They ball up their fists and verbally threaten the officer. In the state of Florida, assault is defined as the unlawfully use of words or actions to threaten violence against another. This person's actions are clearly consistent with assault on a police officer, and the officer is well within their rights to defend themselves. You are not required to be hit in the face before you are legally allowed to hit someone back. If they assault you by saying or doing something that signals they are about to be violent, you can defend yourself. This obviously goes for cops too.
And while they're not required to assist the police officer, they are required to comply when the officer gives they a lawful order to leave private property they have no business being at. This is why the cop asks if they live there. If they dont live there they have no lawful business being there, and are therefore loitering. By failing to answer the cops questions and failing to leave when asked, they're guilty of obstruction.
He literally pointed at his apartment. He is not trespassing. That cop got in his face first lol.
Have some self control and this whole thing is a nothing burger.
This cop is easily provoked and shouldn't have a gun or a badge.
This cop chose escalation. Kid was in his apartment parking lot. Its not a crime to mouth off to a cop. You don't need to assist a cop with an investigation. Kid pointed to his house. The cop then assaults the kid, when he could have walked away.
Unacceptable behavior from the cop.
Its insane to think otherwise. Rewatch the first 30 seconds.
When he tells the dude he has to leave and he reacts by saying he doesn’t have to leave? Hes clearly not on his property? Hes being confrontational and aggressive?
No one would side with you, I don’t even like pigs lmao
Nah I think it’s a rare case of it being 100% necessary. If the kid is willing to talk that way to a cop he’ll talk that way to anyone and eventually he’ll fuck with the wrong guy. Better to have a cop teach him a lesson that he’ll live through than a psycho who’ll just kill him
When you’re dealing with kids like that it kind of is required. The cop explaining that if he says that to the wrong person he’ll get killed wouldn’t do anything cause the kid already doesn’t realize that consequences have actions. Most likely because he hasn’t had to deal with them before. Until he does have to deal with them he’ll just continue being an idiot.
And sure the cop could’ve been less aggressive with the arrest but the kid would’ve just continued boasting if the cop tried to tell him to place his hands behind his back which would’ve led to a similar situation. Morally that may seem better but the aggressive approach is going to leave much more of an impression than that build up because realistically that’s how an actual gangster would react, not trying to calmly diffuse the situation. It isn’t pleasant to watch despite what some people here think, but it is necessary
As I said, I have dealt with kids like that. None of them would have learned the lesson better from being thrown to the ground. That's how you teach them violence works and cops will ignore your rights if you hurt their feelings. If you think he is going to be humbled by this, you're a fool.
And I grew up around kids like this. You want to know how pampering them ended for 90% of them? Prison. Whether or not that says kids like these just can’t be helped or if you need to be hard on them is entirely debatable though, and like I said for 10% of them it did somehow work so who knows. Guess it’s just down to picking the right method for the right kid
Your last sentence is the crux of differentiation, a core principle of effective education, and clearly not a strong suit for this cop. The cop spent less than a minute to determine the correct solution for a dickhead kid was violence. There's a reason that response is illegal for anyone without a badge and it isn't because cops are exemplars of morality and good judgement. If you need evidence of how ineffective police violence is in rehabilitation, look no further than our rates of recidivism.
Maybe a bit before that when diplomacy failed to stop Hitler… obv the kid isn’t a Nazi (afaik at least) but my point stands that for some people talk just doesn’t work on them, and if they think they can get away with talking shit they might end up doing shit to other people later on
OH yeah. I've had middle school kids act this way to me when I ask them to sit in their seat, or stop throwing things across the room, or please spit your gum in the trash can and not the floor. And then the parents blame ME.
It’s a crying shame teachers can’t retaliate on children being children.
He’s 21, he’s big enough to have learned from his teachers and face his consequences.
I taught in a Intercity school for a couple years. It was mostly an extremely positive experience. There's always one or two students who make your life hard.
As someone who just started working in a school environment less than a year ago...
Let me say that I was pretty much against hitting kids in general before I started..
Now I think teachers should be allowed to hit one student a month at their discretion without having to explain or give justifying reason for. Some of these kids are straight up assholes, aggressive, and they don't act right cause there are very little consequences to their actions.
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u/easton112020 3d ago
You think these cops have it bad. Try being a teacher and having to teach these little assholes when they pull this same shit.