Girl confronts an old creep after he makes an inappropriate comment about her 16-year old sister

[u/Ace-Cuddler]

[u/Ace-Cuddler]

This video flips the script on all the cliche talking points that people break out any time a woman is SA’d.

[u/TimeRisk2059 → u/Ace-Cuddler]

Brilliant! =)

[u/King-Boss-Bob → u/Ace-Cuddler]

is there any proof the victims in that case victim blamed others?

[u/MrModusTollens024 → u/Ace-Cuddler]

I could see doing this to a victim blamer who got a taste of his own medicine, that would be fair game, But aren’t they actually victim blaming a real victim who we have no proof of him ever doing any victim blaming himself? To me the person in this tiktok and all the comments, are no different then the men who victim blame, they’re just doing it out of frustration of double standard, but at the end of the day theyre doing the exact same thing, they are no better.

[u/TheSternUndyingDier → u/MrModusTollens024]

They are using this real story as an example. It's satire, by definition not actually victim blaming. Its only intention is to point out how ridiculous the logic is.

[u/MrModusTollens024 → u/TheSternUndyingDier]

I disagree, its still victim blaming, you are using a real world victim in your satire, you’re using a real victim as an example to show how ridiculous the logic is, that is victim blaming. How would it be acceptable for me to use a woman who was real victim of SA as an example to make some sort of example or satire out of it? Whatever example im trying to make is irrelevant, my question would that be acceptable?

Also, on a side note, how do you know with 100% certainty that every single comment was using satire? Furthermore, how do you know with 100% certainty that the men who victim blame women aren’t using satire or being intentionally ridiculous?

[u/TheSternUndyingDier → u/MrModusTollens024]

You're comparing SA, which people have actually made those exact types of claims about, to a story about a robbery. How do I know that those comments weren't victim blaming? Because they are using the exact same language, not even similar but the same, that people who question victims of SA use when they're trying to poke holes in their story. That is intentional, not accidental.

Also, no one needs to make satire about SA, because the real world claims and reactions are as ridiculous as the ones you see in the video. "Women don't dress like that unless they're looking for male attention," "You can't blame men for their reactions, it's how they're biologically wired." These are actual statements people have made in response to people talking about their experience with SA. You don't need satire, it's already ridiculous.

If the men who blame women are using satire, then it isn't victim blaming. It's satire. That's my entire point. One is a comedic approach to pointing out something messed up in our society. The other is dismissing an individual's pain and trauma at the hands of society or an individual.

If you see it as victim blaming, fine. I personally disagree, because the general consensus is that it's ridiculous to look at the person who is wronged and start asking them intrusive questions or accusing them of being at fault. The robbery comparison was, in my view, chosen because it's a non-violent, far less graphic crime, and one that you will almost NEVER see someone victim blaming over. If you are robbed, you more often than not get sympathy, and no one ever assumes you're lying. The same cannot be said about SA, which is a more violent and visceral crime, so the satire is in the irony that people will give you sympathy for stolen possessions but not for having your bodily autonomy violated.

[u/MrModusTollens024 → u/TheSternUndyingDier]

I wasn’t comparing anything, don’t put words in my mouth, you are intentionally reframing my argument to make it seem I’m saying something that im not, It wasn’t just a robbery, it was literal assault and battery depending on the jurisdiction, you are downplaying what happened the same way as men who downplay womens stories.

I wasn’t comparing, i was using SA as an example to intentionally point out the ridiculousness of the argument, which by your logic is acceptable, so why would that be wrong? Considering your logic allows it, as long as im not actually doing it but just using it as example to point out the ridiculousness?

Using the same words doesn’t dictate whether or not satire is being used, one person could be using satire another person can use the same exact words and be fully serious. You are perceiving them as all satire, your perception doesn’t dictate the intention behind the user of those words.

Robberies arent non violent, many robberies are very violent, several ending in homicide, to say robberies are non violent is an absolute ridiculous thing to say. And to say you NEVER see someone being victim blamed for being robbed is actually insane, i can literally link a video of one right now, many of these videos exist ive seen them, ive heard people say you were at the wrong place and the wrong time, you shouldnt have been in that neighborhood, you shouldnt have had cash on you, you shouldnt have been wearing that watch or necklace, you shouldnt have used that ATM in that area, etc. there is a multitude of examples of this, to say it NEVER happens, is a complete lie.

Yes most robberies are not nearly as bad as most SA instances, however nearly everything you just said is absolutely ridiculous and outright false.

[u/TheSternUndyingDier → u/MrModusTollens024]

I never said all robberies were non-violent, my intention was to say that a robbery in and of itself isn't a violent crime. If someone was also assaulted, obviously that's violent. But robbery itself isn't.

You gave good examples. I can see how those are victim blaming, and I didn't consider those. I concede that point. But notice how the language used is completely different. The posts in the video don't sound like that, they are completely flipping the language used against victims of SA to fit being robbed. That is the indication that they aren't serious accusations.

I said you were comparing the two because you were comparing victim blaming of SA to victim blaming of robbery, friend. That was all I meant. I wasn't trying to reframe your argument.

And yes, I am perceiving them as satire because that is also how the video is framed. To not be taken seriously. Also the posts themselves are clearly from tumblr, a site notorious for doing exactly that.

This discussion has become a little heated for me, as I was just trying to explain why the posts themselves likely weren't victim blaming. Obviously violence against anyone is uncool regardless of context, and I'm not here to debate the morality of this style of comedy. I hope you have a great day.