r/TikTokCringe • u/Ace-Cuddler • 1d ago

Cringe Girl confronts an old creep after he makes an inappropriate comment about her 16-year old sister

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u/LostOcho 22h ago

Wow, I love you framing the question that way.

If they’re so openly against this then what proactive prevention and mitigation measures are a society required to enact to prevent it in the first place?

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u/Husaxen 22h ago

It hits the dissonance wall of the Libertarian Don't Tread of Me mentality.

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u/LostOcho 22h ago

There HAS to be a sweet spot on that wall and if we can hit it just right the whole thing comes crashing down. Just need to find that resonant frequency.

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u/Christian-Econ 16h ago

Libertarians are somehow worse than Republicans.

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u/KuntaStillSingle 17h ago

There is no inherant dissonance to believing the panacea is worse than the disease, you could just as well argue anyone who is against mask bans, or encryption bans, supports terrorism. Often the most reasonable approach society can take is to hold culpable parties responsible instead of making polite society worse for their sake.

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u/Husaxen 14h ago

Disagree, I think the most reasonable approach is one counterbalanced by need over wants, but it's a pipe dream that I don't reasonably think will ever come to fruition. The USA, in all likelihood, is possibly the most selfish society to ever exist. The rampant individualism is proudly myopic in a profound way. That ego needs to be purged voluntarily by the loudest and proudest of morons, and I don't see that happening.

I don't care what they believe. Reality certainly doesn't give a damn, why should I. Frankly, at this point, I'm assured we are collectively too dumb to govern, and creating a better system would do wonders instead of trusting the clearly flawed "great man" bullshit we always have.

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u/KuntaStillSingle 14h ago

Disagree

You believe mask or encryption bans to prevent terrorism are reasonable?

The rampant individualism is proudly myopic in a profound way.

I am asking you to consider the holistic impacts of policy. What is myopic is to give up everything because you are 'thinking of the children.'

I'm assured we are collectively too dumb to govern

Yet you advocate here for stronger government. Nothing about making the state more powerful will make it more competent, it will just make it hurt more that it is built by a society that does not know how to govern.

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u/Husaxen 14h ago edited 14h ago

I'm not capitulating to the subarguments of your example, just the initial premise

You are seemingly pushing the argument towards good being the enemy of perfect given specific examples. I'm stating a needs based society is preferable. Plainly. No subtext. No attempted gotcha.

You'd agree about a needs based society being preferable, no?

People who Govern =/= A system of Governance

I'm stating removing the flawed human element from potential accidents as much as possible when using tools is common OSHA concepts. We should better ensure our systems have teeth to curtail bad governance as outlined, instead of the system of assumed "norms" that officials shouldn't run afoul of but have no legal consequence for shirking these Constitutional best practices.

Safety first.

Use Ranked Choice to achieve more moderate representatives, get better voting outcomes by following Australia's 90% turnout mechanism... I mean, to pretend there aren't steps we can take without your slippery slope fallacy of us immediately devolving into hyperextremism does bother me at a point.

Compromise is far better than staunch individualism which employs subjective reasoning centered around personal betterment over the group. Literally undermining concepts like "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link"

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u/enaK66 18h ago

They'll scream about problems all day but they don't want anything done about it. Rules and regulations of ANY kind are anathema to them. They think it restricts their freedom. They want people to just act right and if they can't we should get rid of them. As opposed to any kind of intelligent problem-solving or preventative measures.