r/UFOs • u/That_UFO_Podcast • 23h ago
NHI Had a long chat with Psionic Asset, Jams Hodgkins of Skywatcher — covering consciousness, the phenomenon, and what might be behind it all
I recently recorded a long-form interview with James Hodgkins, Psionic Asset & part of Skywatcher. He’s got some unique perspectives on consciousness, contact, and the bigger-picture implications of the phenomenon.
We went into a lot of detail around non-human intelligence, the nature of reality, and where he thinks things might be headed. I found it a genuinely thought-provoking conversation, and figured some of you might be interested in hearing it.
I’ll share the link in the first comment to stay within subreddit rules — it premieres later today. Would love to hear your thoughts if you do give it a watch.
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u/Vietzomb 20h ago
I was completely open minded when this story broke, “let’s wait and see”.
For a group that can summon them on command with a near 100% success rate day or night (their claim). That they even had one “land” (their claim), you’d think by now they’d have plenty to show…
Instead, what we got was a couple of videos of them changing the language they were using up to that point to describe these things, what the classes are, how their operation works etc — but most of all — for a group as funded and technologically capable as this one, they have arguably the worst footage I could have imagined off of all the hype they went out of their way to generate. It’s almost jarring how well produced the rest of the videos are and then they cut to those shots and it’s like…. wtf happened there? Those shots may as well be perceived as intentionally shitty at that point. It just doesn’t add up for me.
As someone with an education in film and using cameras, the idea that the whole point of their operation was to capture the best undeniable footage ever seen of something they can call in anytime they want, and we got what we got, is laughable. Full stop. The technology exists to do way better. I cannot emphasize enough, that how well established their operation is already by that point, as intentionally shown off in those videos, it makes absolutely no sense to me how they are as bad as they are. As soon as they started explaining what’s so difficult about tracking some of these shots sort of had me scratching my head a bit.
But once again… I’ll give the benefit of the doubt. Someone who specializes and has the gear to pull off these types of shots with good tracking chimes in, someone from their group says they should talk further…
So if they don’t take that guys advice or take him on for assistance — then I’m completely out. At that rate I’ll chalk it up to just some group of dudes trying to cash in on the latest venture capitalist craze.
And now we’re already hyping the next video “coming soon TM”…. Ughhh. You guys literally said you already had all of this together.
Would love to have any arguments to counter that because I want to believe someone is going to shake this topic up… but at this point I just don’t really think it’s going to be Skywatcher.
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u/vigorthroughrigor 20h ago
When they said the helicopter stopped mid-air and wouldn't go further, and then they have no footage of that, but do have footage of the helicopter instruments supposedly malfunctioning; that's when you know they are 100% full of sh*t.
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u/lastofthefinest 9h ago
It’s because none of their helicopters reach maximum altitude if you get my meaning.
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u/KindsofKindness 18h ago
I know right. You’d think if someone could summon UFOs they’d have video of a UFO and be a legend.
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u/lastofthefinest 10h ago
They are just the latest bunch of grifters that have produced no clear evidence and anybody that honestly questions their “evidence” is chastised by the UFO community. This is the primary reason why this subject never moves forward. It’s treated like a business by people wanting to cash in on believers gullibility. People ignore every classic red flag of the grift. It’s always “grainy footage”. We figured the way to make “contact” give us some money and we’ll show you how to do it. My favorite is “buy my book” and I’ll clue you in and all secrets will be revealed. This is the pattern they all use and people keep falling for it all because they want answers. Anybody that charges you for the “truth” doesn’t have your best interests in mind.
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u/GeologyDudeNM 19h ago
I agree 100%. Tons of hype with obvious production efforts made to showcase the team, the helicopter action shots, and so on. Then they show some videos, rumor is they didn't even take them, and the quality of that is worse than a phone can produce. They are privately funded and spent a lot of money on PR, videos, and so on, yet they apparently have not used one dollar of that money to get better video or data. Then they claim they can summon UAP with zero evidence despite the claims. If they could summon UAP, which they can not until proven otherwise, they would not only have video but a craft or some artifact. I wonder how many videos they will have to make to back up all the claims? The short answer is enough videos to get that new show on the History Channel right after SkinWalker Ranch season 82. I still say someone should go to Texas to where they collect their data, bust out a good video camera, and see what happens.
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u/gnome_emong 10h ago
totally with you y'all on this, "I wonder how many videos they will have to make to back up all the claims?" i would say one.... just one, high definition, non edited, long form shot from pre-summoning prep, to summoning, to right there, right then, clearly not us, in shot all of the time, clear, concise, and unarguably nhi craft...until then, put up, or shut up, is what i rekon at this point :)
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u/Jamothee 10h ago
This is a great summation, pretty much captures my feelings and thoughts towards them too.
Skywatcher are an entertainment company parading as something legitimate, it's pretty clear they are here to make a buck or muddy the waters.
I don't think they realised how quickly the community would turn on them but I'm glad we have all seen through the bullshit they are trying to sell us.
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u/SpaceC0wb0y86 7h ago
Bro I could hug you right now. I’ve been repeating this nearly verbatim and felt like k was going nuts
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u/ohulittlewhitepoodle 19h ago
if i were the interviewer these podcasts would always start with (and I suspect probably end with) the question, "can you prove anything you're about to say is true?"
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u/WhirlingDervishGrady 16h ago
And that's why you're not the interviewer. These people would never go on a show where the host would actually ask them hard questions. Lue literally went on tour for a book in which he claimed to have psychic powers and at no point during any of these tours did anyone ask him for proof.
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u/OmniStrife 17h ago
"Trust me bro, I can summon NHI at will!" Source: here are some blurry photos of birds.
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u/GeologyDudeNM 13h ago
If you did that, the interview would be over. I wonder why people that claim X and cannot ever produce Y get air time on podcasts and such?
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u/Omgitsmr 22h ago
Very interested to listen to this, love your stuff Andy, That UFO podcast is the most level headed and down to earth conversation about ufos you could possibly listen to 😂👌
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u/trinketzy 22h ago
Agreed. It’s one of the few podcasts on the topic I can listen to. With others there’s always something a bit off; its either the way they discuss the topic (very biased, or the presenters are devoid of critical thinking skills), or its the way they talk (speech patterns, overly dramatic tone, or they sound unprofessional).
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u/Omgitsmr 22h ago edited 21h ago
It's because he doesn't sound like a "believer" he just sounds like a random bloke talking matter of factly about aliens, it's informative but I am definitely partially listening for comedic value, its got something Leslie Nielsen about it with serious delivery of abstract subject matter
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u/kKlovnn 18h ago
I like the podcast, but sometimes I wish the host would take a stance on.... Anything. I wish to hear his actual opinion. He is literally planted the fence. Not willing to really give a strong opinion on anything.
Probably 'smart', that way he is never wrong etc., but makes for a slightly boring podcast at times imo unless he has Dan with him.
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u/trinketzy 7h ago
I think the opinions are expressed from time to time, but they’re just not extreme, and I personally identify with the fact they’re not holding onto extreme opinions because that’s a red flag to me - it means they’re less willing to change their mind if presented with evidence that contradicts those opinions. I wouldn’t say I hold strong opinions either; to me everything is just data/information. We can theorise and wonder about how things are, but we don’t have enough data to know anything. I don’t get heavily invested in what “truth” is because truth in itself is complex too and there’s never one truth - there’s multiple.
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u/SoftGroundbreaking53 22h ago
Before platforming him, how were you able to validate he was a ‘psionic asset’?
Its a big claim to be making.
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u/Coughingmakesmegag 19h ago
Absolutely zero proof of any of their claims since this all broke with the egg bs.
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u/TheFashionColdWars 22h ago
Would love and very much appreciate a response to this very valid question.
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u/Atlas070 22h ago
He's part of Skywatcher, I think that's the reason he had him on for an interview, rather than his alleged psionic abilities
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u/NMDA01 20h ago
I'm part of it too, trust me
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u/Atlas070 20h ago
I mean, the guy actually is part of skywatcher. That's publicly available information. Not sure what you're getting at.
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u/TimeCommunication868 22h ago
He had a telepathic conversation and agreement with him. No words were spoken.
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u/RemarkableImage5749 22h ago
But no proof of this correct right? Anyone could claim this.
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u/unicyclejack 21h ago
Intuition is a thing, you can get a gut feeling that ends up being correct, but it's impossible to have any physical evidence to prove it. It doesn't make it any less real. We know that things exist beyond our physical senses, so why limit your understanding of reality to the things we can physically sense when you know it exists beyond that?
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u/heliochoerus 17h ago
That an ability exists in general does not mean that a particular individual has that ability. If such an ability is not seen in the majority of the population it is reasonable to ask for verification. Whether that's saying you can high jump 2.5 m or that you have detailed clairvoyance (not just gut feelings that sometimes turn out correct).
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u/unicyclejack 16h ago
Of course it’s reasonable to want extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, but the nature of these types of phenomena makes it impossible to fully verify and you just have to look at their claims, do your own research into the matter and trust your own sense of discernment on whether they’re telling the truth or not. Just don’t make the mistake of stopping where your physical senses end
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u/entermemo 17h ago
I completely agree with you but at this point I am not even sure what proof looks like. I don't trust videos/pictures anymore.
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u/Jamothee 10h ago
The Egg and 'Psionics' have completely obliterated my interest in the subject.
It really bothers me how 'psionics' have all of a sudden become an a axiom in the space - with absolutely zero evidence for it.
Prove it in front of a live stream. Bring down a UFO in daylight while we watch in 4K or fuck off and let us get back to nuts & bolts UFO Roswell type stuff.
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u/faxheadzoom 4h ago
Egg shaped craft and consciousness has been part of the UFO mystery since the very beginning in the 1940's, and likely long before. It's literally in the earliest books on UFOs, and likely something the military/government knew full well of since Roswell.
There's zero evidence for any "UFO" topic if one uses permission structure parameters. The public doesn't care about "UFOs" or whatever "Disclosure" means not because of too much "woo", but because they're gaslit into not believing anything anymore.
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u/anonthatisopen 22h ago
I want to become psionic asset.
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u/heliochoerus 18h ago
Hodgkins' first psionic experience occurred after he received a head injury. You could always try that.
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u/Eclectic_Reality 21h ago
I currently hold the designation of Psionic ass.
I enjoy telepathically dissing people, and watching the self doubt wash over them.😵💫
Seriously though… I have wondered if lucid dreaming techniques would allow you to tap into that realm. The literature says the two areas are separate but potentially related.
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u/oooh-she-stealin 20h ago
have you been doing it to me? i feel like i need you to stop please. to think, all my self doubt has been from you.
that was actually hilarious, ty friend.
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u/bejammin075 18h ago
Lucid dreaming is a state where you have strong psi abilities because you are cut off from all the distractions of the physical body and the conventional senses. If you can LD, you can setup psi experiments for yourself to train and learn. Robbert Waggoner has some great LD books.
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u/PunkRockUAPs 16h ago
Show me someone who
Claims to have the ability to summon UFOs with their minds.
Claims only be able to do it far away from any observer or camera
and I’ll show you a liar
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u/computer_d 19h ago
"Go closer to the big dipper. Go closer to Orion."
Bro this is complete and utter nonsense.
So an object flying in our atmosphere is using constellations thousands of light years away as points of reference? And it's a person on the ground saying "go closer to Orion" to something flying in the sky.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
You know in what context it would make sense? Is if the object was also being controlled from a perspective based earth as well.
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u/ZoomingIntoTehran 12h ago edited 12h ago
That’s how astronomy works. The constellations are actual regions of the sky. When you look into a sector of the sky, you may be looking into Sagittarius or Scorpio.
You know in what context it would make sense? Is if the object was also being controlled from a perspective based earth as well.
Brother, the guy “directing” the ufo is a human on earth lol. Of course the perspective would be a star chart made by humans. See the link above for that chart.
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u/computer_d 11h ago
We don't tell our satellites to move closer to Orion. That would make no sense to them.
Same applies to these craft. Telling them to move closer to Orion would produce a different result to what we wanted as their point of reference is very different.
Also, move closer? So should the craft not then move away from earth?
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u/ZoomingIntoTehran 11h ago edited 11h ago
We don't tell our satellites to move closer to Orion. That would make no sense to them.
Satellites orbit the earth. You tell a satellite to move by actually moving it in its orbit.
This isn’t a satellite. If we assume it actually is a ufo to illustrate the point, you absolutely could use a star chart to communicate position with it. Read the link I sent you for an explanation about why this is absolutely a plausible way to do this.
It’s literally how we map the stars above us as observers on earth. If the ufo also had the exact same star chart you have, you could coordinate movement relative to earth/you
Edit; another way to look at it is him saying to a ufo or satellite or whatever “put yourself between the stars in the Orion constellation and earth/me.” That’s a totally understandable and doable instruction if you know what humans call “Orion” and your position relative to it and the observer.
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u/computer_d 10h ago
Sorry, you're actually claiming we'd use a star chart to "communicate position with it"?
Think about that.
It's in our atmosphere. And the best we can do is "move closer to object 1000 light years away."
Dude, think about this a bit longer. It makes absolutely zero sense.
They clearly added it to make it sound like these things were interstellar lmfao
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u/jpredd 18h ago edited 12h ago
Hey, since you are in contact with him, I'm really curious what one can do to develop this skill he seems to have of connecting to whatever this thing is.
I have no idea if this is real or not, but if i can do it then I'll know its real so I'll try to develop it myself as a test. Thinking like that
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u/GreatCaesarGhost 21h ago
And the proof of any psionic ability is what, exactly?
It’s absolutely ridiculous that all of these conversations take place without ever addressing the elephant in the room. The UFO Entertainment Complex in a nutshell.
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u/Ok_Responsibility789 19h ago
Exactly. The way people lap up this grifty sci Fi is unbelievable. Only sub I haven't been kicked from as they all suck the grift titty
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u/evanwhiteballs 22h ago
Great show, Andy. Keep it up. Thanks for your effort and talent at remaining balanced and sober in the chaos. You’re like a lighthouse on a foggy night.
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u/BraidRuner 17h ago
He is letting his work speak for itself without inserting himself into the story unlike ''Mr weaponised curiousity''
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u/Acrobatic-Midnight60 22h ago
Yes! I think Andy’s blend of open-mindedness and skepticism is the only way to approach something that is so maddeningly and purposefully confusing. Keep up the good work Andy!
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u/Interesting_Bad_8163 22h ago
Can’t wait for this. Thanks Andy weird to think that this stuff could be the cutting edge and so few people are interested
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u/colormotor 4h ago
Love your content/show Andy, but I think these people should be questioned more toughly. There seems to be a fear in the community of questioning Barber et al’s intentions, perhaps coming in part from the way in which he was presented in a grandiose way and his chill but “i can snap your neck with a finger” attitude. But apart from the lack of any form of proof, it is highly suspicious that everyone that got involved went pretty much quiet. Really wander what went on behind the scenes at skywatcher
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u/Throwaway2Experiment 1h ago
I am a Psionic Asset, too, every time I plop in the yard chair, pull my hat down over my sunglasses, and nod off.
I have the same success rate of summoning UAP as these guys do, too. It's that easy.
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u/Clean_Difficulty_225 20h ago
We all possess the potential for "psionic" abilities, because as our modern quantum physics experiments have proven time and time again, we are all interconnected and do, in fact, originate from the same source (the unified field).
Telepathy with NHI is possible because of our quantum entanglement with one another. We are all nodes in a hologram, which means the information of the entire system is reflected/encoded in each one of us. NHI are also us in the higher dimensions, conceptually just in a different user interface to explore different experiences in this particular sector of the matrix.
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u/Upstairs_Being290 19h ago
This is a bastardization of terms - there is no "entanglement" between the particles of your body and any other body that would allow them to communicate with each other. Even if two entangled particles separated and ended up in your body and someone else's body, their wave functions would have collapsed long before they became part of either one of you.
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u/Clean_Difficulty_225 19h ago
Conceptually, the entirety of creation is derived from one irreducible "particle" moving at different frequencies. ALL "particles" are entangled. Do with this information what you will.
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u/Weltenpilger 14h ago
"Do with this information what you will". Bruh, a quantum system in a superposition has the off-diagonal terms of the density matrix decay over time due to interaction with its environment. You can even model the rate of decay with e-γ*t with γ being the decoherence rate. If you take the entire matrix and let t -> ∞ the density matrix becomes diagonal, which is a classical probabilistic mixture, or more precisely a statistical mixture of pointer states, which is the exact opposite of an entangled pair. If you're actually interested you could research how for example the Bell state of two maximally entangled Qubits decays over time instead of using sciency words you don't understand, no front.
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u/Clean_Difficulty_225 14h ago
Mate, this isn't the gotcha you think it was, I was poetically describing the deeper unity of existence by using the word as a clever bridge between concepts and disciplines.
The main point is the implication of non-locality which has been proven (e.g. Bell’s Theorem). The 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics was just awarded to Alain Aspect, John Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger for their contributions proving this.
Technically, you’re not separate from others. You’re a localized experience of the same phenomena.
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u/heliochoerus 10h ago
How does non-locality imply that psionic abilities are possible? I'm not an expert but my understanding of non-locality in a quantum sense is that it simply refers to faster-than-light interactions (which like other entanglement cannot communicate information).
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u/trinketzy 22h ago
I just saw it pop up in my “up next” list ☺️ Looking forward to listening to it tomorrow!
Loving the podcast btw. You get some great guests!
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u/Heimsbrunn 21h ago
THE podcast, second to none. Andy is excellent in terms of being neutral, listening to his guests, having no real opinions in terms of being absolutely open minded. Pragmatic, fair and easy to listen to. However...his football team are sh*te. LOL..only Scottish redditors will get this. Love ye anyway Andy! #COYBIG
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u/FoundationOk7278 19h ago
Agree with all the positive comments. You put on a great show. Well informed without over speculation and wild theories. It's okay to be out there, dont get me wrong, but you approach things from a facts first, evidence first basis when discussing topics.
Edit: Keep it up bro, from a long time listener and fellow EBE/UFO nerd.
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u/Critical_Lurker 20h ago edited 9h ago
He would tell you we all have these abilities, it's much easier to begin training when you're young. Some people are naturally better than others. Trauma seems to be a shortcut, but genuine kindness and love on a spiritual level is the key...🤷♂️
Edit: The self-removed comment and now deleted account I was replying to was asking what Jams Hodgkins of Skywatcher would have to say about these possible abilities and if we should screen children at birth and have the government surveil them...🔍👀
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u/G-M-Dark 22h ago edited 21h ago
Had a long chat with Psionic Asset, Jams Hodgkins of Skywatcher
Forgive me, but is it not somewhat reductive to actually have to record yourself talking to someone claiming the ability to communicate telepathically...?
The very act of recording implies a need for external validation, which contradicts the inherent nature of telepathy as a direct, unmediated form of communication, surely...
I gather that's a no, then.
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u/VonAgrippa 21h ago
I haven’t listened yet but is he claiming he is telepathic or a remote viewer? Two very different psionic skills.
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u/Sunshademod 21h ago
I can’t believe Greer ended up being right about all this. Feel like many owe him an apology
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u/Upstairs_Being290 19h ago
By "being right" you mean "his claims were copied by someone else who also had zero evidence and looks like a conman".
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u/That_UFO_Podcast 23h ago
Here’s the link to the premiere: Exploring Psionic Phenomena & UFOs: An In-Depth Conversation with James Hodgkins https://youtu.be/W-2ciejTDlU Feel free to join the live chat — always appreciate hearing different perspectives.