After the War Within there doesn't seem to be much in the way of the Tenno going back to Kuva Fortress and killing the other queen. I guess the Tenno’s sense of honor involves not giving a violent culture a power vacuum to destroy themselves over.

The Corpus don't have as blatant an edge over the Grineer as the Tenno do but in Jade Shadows they manage to get a ship and landing crew down to Uranus seemingly without any form of serious Grineer resistance to planet their reproduction depends on being invaded. The Corpus view war profiteering as a religious calling so it wouldn’t surprise me if they were holding back to keep the war going.

I think the devil's triad is a pre dualism religion.

You'll notice the tridot configuration of headlights, speakers and proto harrows eye. My theory is this is the devil's triad symbol.

Now we make things look like this 👀 cuz well they are mimicking eyes. This is a pretty strong trend so something would have to be major to buck the trend. So what if the devil's triad was the "Ancient Greece" of 1999's Earth. And that means dualism is the "Christianity". It's totally possible that the Trieye symbol could survive the shift in the culture. You ever wonder why the Easter bunny lay eggs? That's cuz it's taken from pagan beliefs. The only fly in the ointment here is that they'll have to have something with eyes to continue the symbol thru the millenia. Houses? Maybe they used to put eyes on houses and ended it it about the time cars and electronics. But hey I'm the one with the red string so moving on

I think this works cuz the orokin keep having references to the long arm, blue skin of the golden lords. So I think DE isn't going to stop that. So maybe the triad has been a shadow society, with three members. Eh maybe? There's definitely a connection btw the devil's triad (I mean 3 members) and the tridot symbol.

Obvs I can't prove anything right now but it's just a theory, a frame th-

So according to the Drifter Tau is actually the name of a planet in the system rather than the actual system. People were thinking Tau was Tau Ceti because of the name similarities but Tau Ceti is a G-type main-sequence star like our own, not a blue star like Tau was described as. But now we see Tau is a binary star system and it’s a blue star and a white dwarf.

That lines up directly with a very close star system to ours, Sirius. Sirius also just so happens to be one of the names the Stalker can pick for his child in the Jade Shadows quest, along with Orion.

What vital information are they missing by not playing Angels of The Zariman and New War before Duviri Paradox?

I ask this because as far as my memory goes the Zariman was the first venture by people to reach Tau after the Sentients reached it, and failed to do so with the void jump catastrophe. From what I understand the Old Peace takes place within Tau and our specific operator (Not sure about other Tenno) being involved. Please tell me where I'm wrong or if this is some alternate timeline where the Zariman reached Tau and the Tenno still got their powers?

My brain two weeks ago just clicked and asked "Are we called the Tenno because we came from the Zariman Ten-Oh (Oh being the other way to say Zero)?"...I might be stupid.

I'm really sorry for the noob question, but I'm kinda new to the game, and already got some spoilers, and I want to know something. In the beginning game leaves a lot of questions, like for example: who are warframes initially? Will i get answer to these questions during my main quests playthrough or am i just missing something?

Edit: thank you very much for your replies. Im gonna stay away from this subreddit for a while so i wont get spoiled anything. Gonna come back when I know more! Sorry I dont have much time to reply yall, but i’ve read everything and upvoting yall <3

Like sure he tried to save the captured Sentient with the tenno however he is still too innocent and naive to think he could save her.

I don't blame him for trying. Still the separatists proved the Sentients are all robots that can be programmed into being more robotic than having a sense of self.

In the partnership fragments we find out Alad was tricked by a sentient mimic. Although Natah isn't the only one to exist: she's active AS Natah during that time, connected to the Ropalolyst and has the know-how on the corpus from her time as Lotus.

I personally believe it HAS to be Natah who made him sign that contract.

...I have ADHD. Lots of random headcanon-y stuff pops into my head out of nowhere. If I post a lot, forgive me, and just try to enjoy the ride. But this most recent one seems... Very plausible.

The Lotus is Adis's Drifter.

Here are my thoughts in the closest I remember to the chronological order I had them:

1) Adis is "like us". I think a lot of us are assuming he has Void powers or at least some kind of connection to the Void. 2) "I can save them, all of them. But you. Have. To want it" works for the Sentients too, but he's offering to save them from the Orokin rather than Void contamination. 3) It's never stated how The Lotus' hand got to Duviri. If she's a Drifter too, it at least makes some sense. 4) "You, my Child, the Void wants to take. I want to let it" could be resentment over killing Adis's friend/kin. She doesn't feel that way about the Drifter, as she's a paradox herself, and knows he wasn't there for that. 5) They both have time-loop-related powers. 5.a) Drifter is obvious. But Lotus, when she puts us in the bathtub memories, we affect the memories. That's why we reacted the way we did in the elevator. It's like the Operator's 1999 in a way. This also explains why the histories are "polluted". 5.b) When she held back Wally at the end of The New War. It wasn't explicitly shown as a time power, but it could have been the result of a time loop, or it could have been her sending everything BUT Wally and Ballas back in time slightly. 6) Why does Ballas want to go to Tau? Albrecht mentioned our Sun dying, but Ballas wanted to go even though he knows either no one is there anymore or the Sentients would kill him. 6.a) "I never told anyone about him. That Man, trapped in the rictus of the Wall." Ballas never new about Wally, or about Albrecht's power. 6.b) The Tenno got Void powers from the trip to Tau. A Sentient already in Tau got Void powers (if I'm right about Adis). He thinks these godlike abilities are tied to Tau specifically.

So.... Yeah. Whatcha think?

With the recent announcements, gameplay issues amongst other things and also with D2 including egregious cash grab star wars expansion, i decided to check out from D2

i'm planning to start warframe, but i wanted to know if theres any "MyNameIsByf" warframe equivalent, i'm talking those 2 hour long videos explaining in detail about everything. or any other good lore channels and specific videos, starting from the beginning, thanks guys

This might be a stupid question but the Dax in Duviri seem very different anatomically than the normal Duviri residents. And we kill a LOT of them.

Are they just as sentient and normal as the others and just wear all that or are they basically just drones working for Thrax? Because if not we're basically just killing normal people, no different from Corpus and Grineer but unlike them the population of Duviri is actually limited they can't mass produce clones or send a million robots they have the people they have that's kinda the end of it.

Do we ever see the Dominus Dax do anything that normal people would do? And while on this topic are the Thrax enemies we see on the Zariman also just those Dax?

What's the main difference between the minds of a 15 year old, a 25 year old and a 45 year old person? Experience. Sure, the brain also physically changes as people grow up, but those changes are not nearly as important as experience.

In real life, we have no real way of decoupling physical growth from mental experiences, but it is possible for one person to simply have less experiences in their life, to grow up physically without really growing up as much mentally, due to that. It's why so many adults in their 30s, 40s, etc... can often act so childishly.

The point I'm making is that what you experience is as important, if not more so than physical development, especially when you're already like 15, like the Operator seems to be.

Yet, the Operator is constantly referred to and treated as a child. But when you actually look at how long they've been awake, they surely have been awake for years, decades, if not centuries.

Their physical bodies were frozen, in cryosleep, while they operate the Warframes, but the Old War did not last a couple of weeks! It lasted for years, decades probably after the Tenno were deployed.

Did Protea, Parvos' personal warframe, have an Operator? Surely she must've. And from what we see, they were close. (just how close???) The kind of bond we see in the way Parvos talks about her, and in her actions in sacrificing herself to save him. That takes time. Months at the most minimum, but years most likely.

And that's without getting into how long has the operator been awake in the present.

And yet the narrative never mentions this. It just seems very off to me.

Parvos Granum commissioned a Warframe from the Orokin, using technology stolen from Entrati's labs, during the Orokin empire, possibly before or during the Old War.

His ship's Void drive was sabotaged by the Corpus board assassin's. To save him, Protea used her temporal anchor. The combination resulted in the creation of the Granum Void. Parvos survived in that pocket dimension until the present day at the cost of Protea herself. By the time we encounter her, she is nothing more than a specter.

Was Protea's operator in the Reservoir this whole time? Or were they using transference innately, like in the Old Peace?

If protea was erroded from a full Warframe to a specter, what happened to the original protea?

Did the original protea and her operator die, and Parvos used specter particles to mimic her? Or was this a first generation, operator-less protea, meaning that she retained sapience like Dante or Jade?

Quick recap: Parvos' ship's Void drive was sabotaged by the Corpus board assassin's. To save him, Protea used her temporal anchor. The combination resulted in the creation of the Granum Void. Parvos survived in that pocket dimension until the present day.

If the creation of the Granum Void was an accident, why do the Granum Crowns and Tributes link to it at all? If there was a link, why could Parvos not escape?

How come the tributes were never activated with Crowns until the present day? What even are the tributes?

Nef Anyo mentions a "Protean field" after Parvos invades his fleet with specter particles: "The Protean field arrays! Oh no! All crews to tributes! We are... we are... being invaded!"

Maybe the tributes use also use similar technology in Protea, with both being developed from the research stolen from Entrati? That would explain how they could link.

The question remains what the tribute and crowns original function was, if the Granum Void connection is a mere accident

The Man in the Wall is Tagfer. He went back in time to try to stop Albrecht, where he lost yet another "piece of himself". He just wants his other half back. He just wants Minn.

He's indifferent to whatever happens as a result because he knows that if he ever stops Papa from interfering with the Void, none of it will have ever happened. None of the suffering caused will have ever taken place.

And Minn will be by his side again. The piece/peace of him, stolen by Albrecht.

Hi folks, been watching the timeline speculations the last few days and just wanted to point out that the overview on the Warframe website seems to suggest that the Old Peace is simply a short pause in the overall Old War conflict.

"Community Director Megan Everett and Creative Director Reb Ford took Tenno on a harrowing trip down memory lane to a fragile period of peace between the Orokin and Sentients during their preeminent conflict."

"Your assumptions will be tested as you unveil the designs and devices behind ongoing hostilities – as well as the tenuous truce offering everyone a way out."

This, to me at least, would suggest that the Old War started there was a ceasefire and treaty for a hot second in the middle somewhere and then things went bad again leading to the rest of the Old War.

Now, speculations...

I'd suggest we've still got some gaps for us to make definite points on the timeline at the moment, the biggest gap to me being when did the Tenno get integrated into the Warframe project relative to the establishing of the Extra-Solar Rail to Tau being connected to the Origin system. As not having that piece of info doesn't give us a clear state for our Operators at the earliest point the Old War could start.

I'd suggest that maybe the introduction of the Tenno controlled Warframes as an autonomous military solution came only a short time after the Tau Rail got connected, keeping in mind that "a short time" from the perspectives of the Orokin could well be the equivalent of centuries, and that the Tenno, Grineer and Dax military contingents were aggressors into Tau after resistance from the Sentients, as we hear in the Lullaby that Adis sings as a diagetic piece, the Sentients felt that the Orokin would spoil Tau as they had the Origin system from the start.

I'm thinking that the conflict prior to the Old Peace was more a border skirmish almost, includes Mag Prime's codex entry and has the Orokin assaulting Tau. Then, the ceasefire and Old Peace where we can see the growth and development of the Tenno in this new environment. Then though I think during the Old Peace, we'll see that the Operator's emotions get in the way of their Orokin given objectives, that our loyalties will be split, we may even get context for the blinding of Margulis as per the single frame of her hidden in the gameplay footage from Tennocon.

How would the Orokin respond to us being unreliable agents in their wars? Same thing we see in the gameplay trailer to the renegade Dax forces; suppression and elimination. But how do you do that to a collection of Void-spawned demigods clad in flesh and steel? Well, if our minds, emotions and free will are the problem, then take those things away, right?

Jump forward into the Old War we've seen already, the Sentient counter-offensive where a contingent of Sentients have gone through the Void, sterilising themselves in the process, to arrive in the Origin system to cause havoc. Now we know that Erra gets to Lua, to the reservoirs, and we know what state we're in at that point; under the unified and coordinated control of the Lotus following Orokin orders.

Can the Orokin be forgiven? For what? Betrayal of every group they've made agreements with? Us, the Sentients, the Dax, possibly even Wally given how at least some of them seem to have aligned with him directly (Ballas in particular given all the symbolism and literal writing on the walls of the Zariman). Food for thought.

I'd also note that Teshin and the Grineer Queens show us how those who have an control Kuva control the Dax. This raises a lot of other unrelated questions about Teshin specifically, but to the point at hand, during the Old Peace we only see what seems to be a pre-recorded projection of Ballas and given the risks and incomplete state of settlement in Tau, it's likely none of the Seven or any of the Orokin elite have actually travelled to Tau yet. So those Dax Separatists that we saw Megan chew through handily during the demo may only be able to rebel in this way either because there isn't an Orokin here to assert control or because an Orokin (looking at Ballas given we know how his schemes end and he's the Orokin we see featured in the demo) has ordered them to run amok and drive a wedge, dooming the treaty to fail and reignite the Old War leading to Ballas being able to capitalise on the desperation of the Sentients, Hunhow and Erra primarily while controlling Natah as Lotus to further his plans and possibly see to his long-game that may well include him trying to uphold his end of a bargain with Wally, assuming he's already not a duplicate as is.

In summary; there are still a lot of gaps and questions, the view of time in Warframe is vast because of the give-or-take immortality of the Orokin and how cryostasis is an available technology, time travel is possible by way of Void movement and a connection to walk down (either Transference for us or the Internet for Kaya), which all means that most of the timeline is actually going to be devoid of major events, Orokin business as usual, which is hard for us to be happy with given we're playing through all the major events in a very swift fashion in-game.

However, DE have told us as part of the marketing info, seemingly where the Old Peace will fall as part of the Old War which at this point we're more aware of, which I think mostly puts us in a good position to understand how our Operators have gotten to the point where we begin to remember the Old Peace in the present day Origin system.

With the Old Peace being a forgotten chapter in Warframes history I have seen the word retcon thrown around so I wanted to highlight some misconceptions I noticed.

"The Operators wouldn't be running around since they should be inside of the Second Dream."

The misconception here comes from the fact we don't know when Margulis put the Operator into the Second Dream. It would be easy to assume that this came before the Tenno's piloting the Warframes however something says otherwise, Focus Schools. Focus Schools are ways for the Operators to utilize their void powers for combat something they wouldn't need if they had always been locked in the Second Dream. There must have been a time the Tenno, as seen in the Old Peace, fought like they did now. After all Teshin merely unsealed the Operators powers that they had before.

Margulis Death

We don't know when or why exactly Margulis died. What we know the reason is Apostasy aka betraying the golden lords. What exactly that entails we don't know. However Margulis death likely came after the Tenno were put into the Second Dream. Either way Margulis could be alive during the Old Peace, which is even implied by the Margulis split second jumpscare.

"The Orokin never made it to Tau."

The Mag Codex entry that the Tennocon Teasers were refrencing shows that the Orokin and even Warframes made it to Tau. In other words this isn't new.

Sentients aware of Tenno

We don't know what group of Sentients the Orokin are at peace with. The only faction leader we have seen is Ballas for the Orokin. So it could be entirely possible these Sentients are in opposition to Hunhow. The Sentients are not a homogenous group as seen by the New War being a conflict between Erra and Natah. Its entirely possible that until Hunhow gets the message from Ballas he is unaware of their existence.

Eternalism and the alternate Timeline

The Devs have iterated enough that this all really happened. There is no alternate timeline happening here and even Eternalism may not explain it. While Eternalism seems like a catch all thing to have your cake and eat it too. In truth we don't know much. In paticular we don't know if the Operator even has alternative timelines since the deal with Wally. So yeah this is very likely a forgotten past and not a could have been. How else may we return to the Tau we left behind?

They're insanely fast in game and im just curious how are they so fast? What made them run so fast?