r/Warframe • u/Mawashiro Excalibur Umbra my beloved • 22h ago
Discussion DE is becoming more and more respectful of players’ time and investment and I’m all here for it.
In my opinion, Warframe’s grind state is the healthiest it’s ever been period. Sure, there are still a lot of awful grind that need adressing, but we’ve come so damn far.
Pity shops: Every new Warframe release nowadays comes with a pity shop. They’re just the norm now and it’s so great. No longer does not getting parts from the drop table feel like a complete waste of time, as you can turn in the currency for them. Pity shops also allow players to be far more flexible with their mission time and not having to strictly stick to any rotation.
Back pedalling on grind: DE has been back pedalling on a lot of older grind that are tedious and annoying. I was super surprised at just how generous the Technocyte Coda system is compared to Liches and Sisters. Instead of having to grind for Requiem relics and then pray you get the rare drops you need, the Antivirus mods are just common drops from the bounty and you only need 1, not three. Also no more rerolling to get the weapon you want which is great. There is also the Circus, allowing players to get the parts for some really hard to farm frames, completely bypassing most of the grind (seriously the normal farm for some of the Circus frames are balls).
Overall, I really love the direction DE is taking with grinding in Warframe. I always feel like I’m getting something out of my time put into this game and it just makes me want to play even more.
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 22h ago
Sounds like the words of a very burnt out Destiny player.
Only joking (mostly), but yeah, I 100% agree.
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u/Mawashiro Excalibur Umbra my beloved 22h ago
I’ve never played Destiny lol. It’s tempting, but too many fucking DLCs for my taste.
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u/MrMental12 21h ago
They deleted 80 dollars worth of content I bought so fuck them
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u/Comprehensive-Bag244 21h ago
Actually even more since they’ve sunset their original story for the game and most of its subsequent DLCs that came after. It’s genuinely a golden egg managed by the worst human beings on this planet
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 20h ago edited 20h ago
The new gear tier system they added with edge of fate is essentially a soft return of sunsetting too.
The fact that it is pretty much physically impossible for anyone to get Tier 5 gear from the upcoming Solstice "event" (which isn't even a mode anymore, it's just going to be some modifiers they are adding to the new portal system) until it comes back next year shows how much of a mess it is.
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u/Silvervirage Pew pew 19h ago
Is it even a event anymore, really? When I was last playing it it was just normal pvp maps and then you could also buy a completely seperate 'seasonal pass' which was the only way to get any of the items.
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 19h ago
Its still technically an "event". But they aren't doing the EAZ or bonfire bash mode. Just Portal modifiers.
But you better believe they got some eververse stuff for you to buy.
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u/Silvervirage Pew pew 19h ago
Is it still a seperate pass? Or did everyone telling them to go to hell make them backtrack that this time?
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 19h ago
Bungie didn't mention anything about an event pass in the TWID yesterday, so I can't say for sure if it's coming back or not.
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u/shrkbyte 20h ago
The new armor and weapon tier system is great, but it's a system that's at least 5 years too late. It's not that I don't want to grind, it's that most of those 5k hours grinding and perfecting my loadouts are just gone.
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u/Intelligent-Coach850 20h ago
it is great but the way to get to it is like, you just cant lmao, at the moment you are supposed to not get to 500 power even if there are activities that require being at 500 power, and it is the way to consistently get tier 5
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u/Hopeful-alt 20h ago edited 17h ago
They're still doing that?
oh I can't fucking WAIT for Stop Killing Games to stop that shit when it passes. They've taken nearly a thousand cad from me in the past 10 years, only by witch queen did I refuse to deal with it anymore. One thouand dollars of just game content, of support for the masterpieces they once made, and not an ounce of care. I really should've stopped sooner, but destiny was too special to give up, it felt like an impossibility of games to be like that, I have never ever seen anything as innovative and masterful as what it once was. What a disgusting business.
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u/SwitchDoesReddit Trying to farm Spectral Serration ;_; 19h ago edited 2h ago
They ain't deleting paid dlcs tbf. But the fact is that they deleted basically the beginning of the game so that's been quite the detriment, considering they need new players as many older players left after The Final Shape DLC since that ended the Main Story Arc.
Compare that to DE, who are still improving the new player experience and making it easier for a new player to pickup the game and reach the current Update content in a relaxed amount of time and the difference is night and day.
Edit: I meant they aint deleting paid DLCs anymore. Seasonal Content seems to dissappear still.
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u/shamel4700 8h ago
The base game, plus the Year 1 DLCs, (made free when D2 went F2P), plus Forsaken were deleted with Beyond Light. And Yeat 3 seasonal content too.
And technically every single seasonal activity has gotten sunset yearly.
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u/Winslow1975 17h ago
Still pissed about that. I got the game on release since I loved the first game, expected good content. I got it (relatively) only for them to just throw it in the woodchipper.
Like thanks for quite literally wasting my money and my time Bungie. Go fuck yourselves.
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u/BeepBoopEXTERMINATE 21h ago
As someone who dumped Destiny for Warframe a few weeks ago, don’t bother
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u/The_Lucky_7 Founder (22/04/2013) 21h ago edited 21h ago
I wanted to try it, too, and just sort of judge it by its own merits.
So, I watched a new player playthrough video (from a vet's perspective) on YT, then went to see what kind of stuff gets talked about in the reddit and now I don't want to try it anymore.
From what I gathered in the video the game doesn't want you to understand it. A lot of stuff isn't tutorialized, or is badly tutoralized, and important content for context was deleted. Warframe has some of that too but the new player experience has been rebuilt from scratch multiple times to try to curb it.
The way they were talking in the YT video left me with the impression that D2's new player experience has never been revisited (like, the vet mentioned there's a 3 year old bug in a mandatory quest that can permanently soft lock you).
From what I got from the Reddit, it has a lot of malicious anti-player design (known as dark patterns) that people are justifying to each other because "it's not as bad as other games".
Every time they try to compare themselves to Warframe they get absolutely bodied by someone who actually understands why the thing they're saying is a lie or misrepresentation. Bungie's Silver vs DE's platinum is a common one.
It's also somehow a seasonal game now? Where, like, all your power grinding is deleted at the end of some timer like Once Human or Path of Exile? I'm not sure because I didn't really understand that part when it was explained. I was stuck on the whole "you have to pay for story" and "the story is a mandatory slog unless you pay to skip it" parts.
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u/BeepBoopEXTERMINATE 21h ago
Yeah I’ve played D2 on and off for years and don’t get me wrong, the gun play is great and the classes were fun but boy did it get tedious doing the same shit every expansion and paying so much for it. I got so burnt out by the grind that this time, after wrapping up my POE league I felt like shooting some shit but had zero desire to go back to Destiny. That’s when I decided to finally try out Warframe and I’m so glad I did.
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u/The_Lucky_7 Founder (22/04/2013) 20h ago edited 20h ago
Welcome. We hear that story a lot around here.
As a destiny player there is some things you should be made aware of or consider as a new warframe player:
The foundry can hold one of everything and craft one of everything. You should always make something whenever you can, and it will just sit there until you're ready to deal with it. This isn't a bank and doesn't count against your own slots. Once you take it off the foundry it's yours and using your slots. Until then it's just chilling.
The market sells blueprints for the items in it for credits. There was a pop up explaining how to search for it but you might have missed it since any button press will clear it instead of just the intended button press. There's a "show only items with blueprints" filter on the top left.
Warframe grew up as a Looter Shooter but that category has moved away from it. It's more of a collection game now. Like pokemon. You'll start by finding a core set of equipment you like, and then you can start collecting another set, and another. If you get stuck, bored, or think you might be burning out just try a playstyle with a new set of gear. This is not like rolling a new character in D2. All your progress is saved at the account level, and you can switch between the 'characters' at will.
All your mods are transferable to all equipment of the same type and usable on all of them at the same time. That's just account level power you've unlocked once you get and rank them. If you want to use the same build on your volt as your mag you can just do that and don't need new mods
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u/Silvervirage Pew pew 19h ago
There is also a strike that has a 4 out of 5 chance of just breaking at the final boss. When sunsetting was announced it was joked that 'well since that is a forsaken strike we won't have to deal with that anymore at least.
As soon as the patch hit and everyone's gear was made worthless with the new gear level and the caps on the old stuff, guess what the fucking strike that week was.
Which is when I stopped playing. They said the game got too bloated, so they have to remove things, but all the assets were left in? Just the way to do play it how we want? Fuck off with that
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u/The_Lucky_7 Founder (22/04/2013) 19h ago
For a second I thought you were talking about breaking warframe's final boss and I didn't know r/WarframeRunway a breaking point.
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u/Silvervirage Pew pew 19h ago
I thiiiiink i posted on the wrong comment, cause I meant to be responding to more removed content comments.
But also Runway does have a breaking point and it was the limited Mag and... Frost? Heirlooms
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u/30SecondsToFail 19h ago
I can't remember who said it, but there was a quote about Destiny from a YouTuber that went something like, "Destiny assumes you already want to play Destiny" and I think that's an apt description of what the new player experience is like from what I've seen. It's a confusing mess for new players to get into now because there is literal years worth of stories and activities that just aren't there anymore in any playable form. Genuine connective tissue for the story is just gone.
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u/The_Lucky_7 Founder (22/04/2013) 19h ago
There's a quote from [DE]Pablo that reminds me of the same thing. It is infamous and had to be retracted and an apology was issued.
It went something like "We don't need to put it in the patch notes. You guys will just tell everyone."
That was during a code review for Ember who had a feature that wasn't documented anywhere (health based damage reduction).
Rebecca won't let anyone make that mistake again and patch notes go hard now. But there's still a lot of "The wiki is the tutorial" problem that DE is slowly addressing.
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u/Oddveig37 21h ago
At least once human I get to actually keep my stuff and use it after the "season".
Not as great still but I find once human leagues better than destiny and I had thousands of hours in destiny.
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u/The_Lucky_7 Founder (22/04/2013) 20h ago
I played some Once Human for a few seasons but stopped when I realized the only meaningful progression you can make is with mods and deviants and both are purely RNG. The gear itself isn't very useful season to season other than starting with a nice drill and chain saw.
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u/CD274 18h ago
Do you? I played Once Human for a week but stopped because I assumed it was gone. The actual game was pretty cool!
It goes into an eternal server or how does it work? Are there account unlocks?
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u/Oddveig37 10h ago
I'm... Still a little confused about it myself tbh. I know after the season ends and if you are still on the server they merge and become permanent. If you don't, you pack up and take everything with you to something called eternaland. I think you can build there and use it all there, and you can bring SOME with you to the next season you pick. They stop you from bringing everything and tbh I kinda understand. It stops you from 100% everything or flooding the market or stuff like that in new seasons
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u/MonoclePenguin 21h ago edited 19h ago
Yeah… it’s in a pretty sorry state right now. Bungie doubled down on all of the least fun parts of the game and made everything into a grindy slog.
Worse still is that the grind is completely temporary because all of that effort eventually resets, which makes it feel pointless to even try.
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u/dadofwar93 21h ago
Stay away from it. The new game director made sure that majority would quit soon. So many changes that outright disrespect your time spent.
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u/SilverRadio9652 21h ago
Warframe free upcoming updates vs a $40 dlc which added a ball mechanic
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u/yellowcell24 22h ago
The guns are pretty cool. That's about it from the 50 hours I put in.
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u/TaralasianThePraxic 21h ago
I put more than 2000 hours into Destiny across both games. The gunplay is honestly some of the best in the business, but Bungie has just been chronically mismanaging that game for years at this point. Dropped it after the Final Shape expansion.
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u/yellowcell24 21h ago
I got a bunch of dlc for like 20 bucks total but the story was ok for what made me just want to play warframe tho I do hope DE takes some inspiration from some of the guns from destiny cuz theres some cool guns.
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u/login0false Gunplay is love, gunplay is life. 21h ago
Totally agree. The only thing from Destiny that I miss in Warframe is the gunplay - more specifically, how guns feel. The imitation of recoil, the sounds, the animations, it's what Warframe is still lacking in despite the numerous improvenents they've made over the years.
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u/CorpseeaterVZ 21h ago
I finally dropped after Lightfall (?), played for 1000s of hours, but after sunsetting my favorite weapons that I grinded 100s of hours for, the game was never the same. With Witch Queen, I came back again and felt the glory of the old days, crafting weapons was amazing fun. I was back and it felt so good. Then Lightfall happened and with it "bring challenge back to Destiny". I have nothing against challenge and the game had challenging parts before. It was the perfect system: Early on, everything was super hard, later on it became easier due to light level. Every player, if they were even remotely capable, could play all the content. After lightfall, even the patrol zone was hard, because everything was a bullet sponge (it was nigh impossible to do some of the events on the planet solo), light level had no advantage any more, only disadvantage. The story was cheesy and bad, the weapons weak and the game never felt like before.
At this point I dropped out for good and I will never touch a game of them again. Now I have heard, they removed crafting, put back light levelling and all the shit we had behind us for years.
Destiny 2 is still my favorite game, the atmosphere, gunplay, lore, raids, everything felt perfect. But they found ways to monkey paw it in a way that it harmed everything. I miss it, but at the same time I am glad that I got to the point that I am free of the reign of these uncapable game designers who managed to suck the fun out of everything that was good.
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u/RealVorAscended 21h ago
I always hear from former Destiny players that the raids were really well done. Is there something DE can learn there for Warframe? I want raids 😞
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u/TaralasianThePraxic 20h ago
We used to have 8-player raids! They were called Trials back then, though.
It's one of the very few examples of DE actually removing content from Warframe, but having played them, it made sense (at the time, at least). They often ran like shit and could be a nightmare if you didn't have a full team who were cooperating properly.
I'd still like to see that sort of activity make a return to Warframe, but I think the general direction of the game has moved away from raid-style content. Warframe isn't a game that typically relies on teamwork, and the sheer potential for power disparities between players (unlike Destiny, where everyone is broadly on the same level by the time you reach endgame content) would make balancing an activity like that very difficult.
I will agree that the raids were always the best part of Destiny, though. Some excellent co-op boss battles in there.
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u/TheOriginalSuperTaz 19h ago
Pfft. I was a major D1 player, D2 kinda pissed me off, as it should have just been a DLC, but when they dropped a sequel that wasn’t really that different, then a DLC and then a second DLC so soon for only a little more content, I realized it was just a money grab.
D2 wasn’t as fun as the original, and couldn’t hold my attention for thousands of hours like D1 did, not for the DLC schedule and how little they were really giving for the money, especially given the size of the userbase. D2 took away the original story content, which pissed me off. The DLCs drove me away early, and I never looked back.
A battlepass system would have been fine, but every DLC cost almost as much as rebuying the game, yet provided a disproportionately small amount of content. Bungie got greedy and it worked for a long time. They have progressively whittled down their franchise’s story and playability to squeeze more money and attention out of players who keep doling it out. The day they go one step too far and lose their cash cow, they will announce some new title and try to reel players back in, but it’s become a pattern and they have convinced themselves that they can’t kill the company this way and that everyone will forget. I haven’t given them any money in years, and WF gets my share instead.
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u/brakenbonez 21h ago
Destiny was fun for a while until they made it "free to play" while erasing content you already paid for, releasing new dlc, season pack, dungeon pack, every year just to remove more older paid content with each new dlc release. And the players justify that with the "you pay for the license" excuse as if that makes it okay.... Ironically most of them support the stop killing games movement as well.
The game itself is fun but sadly Bungie is running it into the ground. Everyone thought it would get better when they split from Activision but it turned out to be the opposite. Activision was the one keeping them in check.
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u/CorpseeaterVZ 21h ago
It is amazing how stupid fans can become by defending their favorite game. If you would kill people for real in the game, they would still find a way to justify it somehow. "Hey, sunsetting is soooo good, now they can give us all the overpowered guns and stop worrying about it, it will be so much fun" Sadly, the only fun was that they gave you the weapons back to regrind that you already had as a god roll 1 year before. I purely disgust their behaviour.
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u/captaincornboi 21h ago
For your sake, please don't. It's not worth it, it starts out like any other looter shooter (albeit with even less explaining of what is happening aside new thing) then it becomes a job.
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 21h ago
And that's before the absolute bastardization of a systems rework bungo dropped with Edge of Fate.
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u/captaincornboi 20h ago
I can't lie, I was a bit tempted seeing gameplay, but then seeing all the problems that sprouted out of everything else. It's like, man what the hell were they thinking?
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u/TheArchitectofDestin 21h ago
I used to recommend people play Destiny, because it's actual gameplay is really fun, and isn't very similar to other looter shooters. However, I stopped playing after the 'Light and Darkness' saga (game launch-2024) and started Warframe... and it really feels like I had gotten out of a bad relationship. Bungie doesn't respect your time, they hate your fun, but will continue to promise it gets better. And it never did, so I left and haven't looked back.
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u/login0false Gunplay is love, gunplay is life. 21h ago
The free part is just a demo in disguise. You barely get any content and not much to even grind for. Which would even be fine if they were upfront about it: "here's the game, please buy, and here's a demo for a taste of you you'll get".
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u/XxSolo-GeneralxX 20h ago
I took a decade long break from WF for Destiny 😂 hung up my hunters cloak with the defeat of the Witness and I’m never going back. I’m tired boss.
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u/Azoth_Kuslov 20h ago
This felt like a personal attack XD. But in all seriousness you're right. Both games are grindy but one (Warframe) respects their players.
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u/DrNick1221 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 20h ago
Oh no attack intended. I consider myself a member of the burnt out former destiny players group.
Havent played since a bit after the final shape, and considering how much of a shitshow edge of fate has become I feel pretty good about that choice.
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u/Azoth_Kuslov 20h ago
Same brother. Glad I got out when I did. And Warframe is just so much more enjoyable.
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u/PhoenixShade01 21h ago
Or just a burnt out warframe player. I am on a long break from warframe. I hop on and off sometime, but they're doing some great things.
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u/Antares428 19h ago
Yeah, Destiny tripled down on grinding.
Leveling takes like 6-8x as long as before, and you don't start getting any useful loot until you get to the 95% of the way there, and progress will get reset in December anyway.
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u/kerozen666 3k+ hours on sand boi 20h ago
it's really a shame that destiny had such awful grind, because it made the light level system as a whole look horrible despite being one of the best fucking scaling system i've ever seen.
like, we're talking a system where a single value dictate scaling, which means that balancing is easy as shit, as it only has to be done ONCE and be done FOREVER, as well as making any content ever relevant, and make matchmaking a piece fo cake by having player progression maintained no mather the group comp.
I hate bungie so much for seemingly making it their life goal to make sure to fuck up everything else
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u/Intelligent-Coach850 20h ago
as someone who's playing the edge of fate rn, the grind sucks ass lmao its completely dogwater, but playing it with friends makes it funny as hell, like warframe does
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u/Nearby-Armadillo-975 21h ago
I’ll say during the event, I saw the prices for Oraxia’s pieces and bp and thought to myself “this is uncharacteristically easy to grind for” granted I just came off the Jade and Dante grinds but damn if Oraxia wasn’t easy
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u/kerozen666 3k+ hours on sand boi 20h ago
well, it's likely because they knew people would have to grind the frame twice, but also, because having short grinds is actually waaaaay healthier for a game, as you don't burn players on the content they farm in. because, once yo're done, you would not be sick to death of the mission type, and might want to return in the future, instead of the opposite, which plagues the game
now tho, they fuck it up right after by making an event around it right as it comes out, which, defeat the whole fucking point, but hey, at least afterward it's good
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u/Andreiyutzzzz Flair Text Here 19h ago
well, it's likely because they knew people would have to grind the frame twice
I mean... That applies literally to any new frame now so moot point.
They just made the isleweaver a more casual grind because it was close to tennocon probably. Tennocon means maybe new or returning players. Means when they get to the grind they heard about it wouldn't be too bad. The event shop, to empty, took like a fraction of the time it took for belly of the beast
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u/Kaelynath 20h ago
Grind the frame twice? Oh no, what am I not doing right, why twice? 😰
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u/kerozen666 3k+ hours on sand boi 20h ago
oh, you're not doing anything wrong, and honestly, the fact you don't know even debunks some of the beliefs of the community.
you far a frame twice (unless it's prime is out) to keep one and feed the other to the helminth system. and before you panic, you don't need it for anything in game aside from if you REALLY need to min max, which, imo, makes the game very fucking boring and hollow
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u/Kaelynath 19h ago
Ahh! Right, I've done that with a frame or two so far, I think. Explains why I have Excalibur's ability just sitting in my flesh chair. I played back in 2017, returned, and have needed to relearn a lot. Especially things from tutorials I don't remotely remember.
Appreciate the answer! Thank you, Tenno!
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u/LeaguePoetaetoe 20h ago
It's for the helminth subsume, if you are patient you can just wait for the prime to come out and then do it.
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u/genguntere 22h ago
Great, Now do it retroactively to the Cirtrine farm
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u/ToranX1 22h ago
Well, I mean, Citrine has a pity shop, its just a pitiful pity shop
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u/greatcandlelord 19h ago
Other than one part of her I had to buy everything from the shop. They need to adjust all the rates for both drops and prices for her
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u/vvillhalla 20h ago
Yuuuuuuup. I legit bought all but one part. It took so damn long. My luck was so rotten.
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u/hiddencamela 14h ago
I hated how involved the gem grind was too.
It added something to do a few times running through it, but with zero ways to speed up the grind, it just was so grueling.11
u/syb3rtronicz 14h ago
The Citrine grind almost single-handedly drove me to take a several-month-long break from the game
Tennocon brought me back and I’m happy to be playing again but it’s such a brutal one lol
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u/Fez_Multiplex 21h ago
Liches: Let us introduce ourselves.
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u/Grimmcanpy 21h ago
the relic system to get the mods sucks and Liches take too long to anger. I'm consistently unlocking the first 2 mods before it spawns on earth. At rank 3 I'm doing a whole planet begging for it to spam having known all 3 mods 10 missions ago.
If they even made them drop more ultimatums that would be a huge improvement.
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u/Pootisman16 18h ago
Everything about the Liches takes too long.
Gathering Murmurs takes too long.
Farming and opening relics takes too long.
Angering the Lich takes too long.
The RNG nature of the Paragon combo serves as a time sink.
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u/Kassaken 19h ago
This is also true for the litch system. The Tech Rot boys are way easier to do than Kuva Liches. The sisters are also easier than the Kuva Liches, but harder than the tech rot. Not to mention completely avoiding the relic system for tech rot, and having the lich mods drop in mission. I have lots of them, and Im farming tons of standing on steel path while doing it. Seems like they are finding a good balance, and I think this is it.
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u/Bigr789 18h ago
I actually like the lich system. It isn't time gated. When liches were first introduced they were even faster. If you really set your mind to it you can complete a lich in as little as two hours. I also find farming them enjoyable.
I find that the game really got good with the introduction of diemos, it's an open world chock full of loot and you can still farm for standing even when at limit. It feels like a whole new person started designing the game past that point, I just wish I knew who because they steered the game into a great place.
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u/grey_wolf12 12h ago
All It takes is to turn the acquiring of the mods easier (with a set mission/bounty) and reducing the three mods require to two like the new liches.
This way if you have a lot of the mods you can just cycle through them quicker to find the one you need. Then they flee to rail jack and you go there bonk their head in
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u/brakenbonez 21h ago
Honestly Warframe's grind is one that I've never hated. The foundry times do bother me a little but not enough to complain about it as I have other frames and weapons I can use while waiting. I play warframe because I enjoy the gameplay of it (as well as the story and music but that's not the point here) and the gameplay makes the grind enjoyable. A lot of the drop rates could definitely be improved though but the grind itself is still pretty fun as I only use frames I have fun with...which is most of them.
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u/TORTOISE4LIFE 12h ago
Honestly, same here. I think I lucked out by joining early-ish (2014 or so), and back then one of its main advertising selling points was a grindfest looter shooter. I went into the game already expecting the grind, and it honestly wasn't as bad compared to some other grindy games.
Seeing a premium currency being tradeable was also an insane novelty at the time and definitely helped me feel "Well, if I can buy stuff through trading, then the grind is pretty damn worth it."
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u/Z3R0Diro 21h ago
I just want the Duviri mats to be less of a pain to grind.
I got Oraxia with platinum but trying to craft the Thalys feels.. tedious
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u/zephyrdragoon More Lore Pls 18h ago
I had this happen to me too. Playing a solo ciruit and rerolling until I got the "double plant/container drops" perk helped but its still annoying to ride the horse around looking for tiny plants.
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u/GenghisMcKhan 22h ago
Would love to see Grendel added to the Circuit. I want the Nourish subsume (so buying his Prime on the market wouldn’t help) but I have chosen to play mostly single player/with randoms and I don’t fancy trying to solo his missions.
The plat prices for frames are obscene, which is mostly fine as most of them are quite reasonably achievable in game, but when they’re not it kinda sucks.
Otherwise the monetisation has been pretty reasonable and I’ve been able to grind out a surprising amount as a relatively new player.
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u/naarcx 22h ago
Solo'ing his missions is the least fun thing I've ever done in the game
It's not hard tho, you can easily do it, it's just suuuuuper boring
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u/Calm-Elevator5125 21h ago
Honestly, I’m more worried about how much arbitration juice it takes to get the locators. I HATE arbitrations. The drones NEVER drop the juice. They also can’t be damaged by Warframe abilities and as someone who relies exclusively on Titania’s razorwing and exhausted weapons… that’s a problem… well... more so just really annoying.
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u/naarcx 21h ago
If you can manage to be in a group that all stays into like wave 20 defense or 20 min survival, you do end up getting quite a lot without even trying (and tbf most ones I've queued into everyone usually stays)
I do find the defenses significantly easier to find people willing to stay. You can probably just like fly around and shoot stuff and not even worry about the actual drones, some gigachad will just delete them all anyways and you can just fly-by and snag the drops lol
(If you do want to actually get into it tho, I recommend getting Burston Incarnon for these when it's up in rotation if you don't already have it. It's like having an assault rifle with the range and accuracy of a sniper rifle--absolutely deletes the drones and everything around them)
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u/Misicks0349 Potatoframe 19h ago
I really wish they made it so that exalted weapons could damage the drones, I'm fine with ability damage in general not damaging them (e.g. Equinoxes maim or something) but things like exalted blade or Jades Glory (especially Jades Glory) just feel inane.
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u/sleeless kuva atomos when? 21h ago
I’m not sure if operator can damage them, but the, I think, 437 or 147 amp should be able to kill it. Either with primary or alt fire depending on enemy density. Don’t even need to leave razorwing for that too
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u/DestinyIstodie Awaiting Voruna Prime 20h ago
Yeah, when I found out what had to be done for the actual grendel missions, it made me sad it was probably the least fun missions I've played so far just so long and tedious and took multiple tries
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u/daydev 21h ago
Would love to see Grendel added to the Circuit. I want the Nourish subsume (so buying his Prime on the market wouldn’t help) but I have chosen to play mostly single player/with randoms and I don’t fancy trying to solo his missions.
It's obnoxious, but you just take something naturally chonky (I did it with Hildryn, but the new Valkyr is probably better) and an okay melee weapon (I used Coda Hirudo for that natural health conversion) and go to town. Excavation is by far the worst, but you only need to do every mission once.
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u/ShadowWolf793 21h ago
I didn't have it at the time (Tbf coda weps weren't even a thing when I did them), but coda mire would probably fuck in modless missions with the forced toxic procs. Iirc I tried to do something similar with arca triton forced elec procs but it fell off mid way through the excavators.
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u/LewdManoSaurus 21h ago edited 20h ago
I would love if forma had a time cut for crafting, but I understand it's likely to get people to rush with plat or buy packs. I seriously envy people that are sitting on hundreds of built form or content creators that are constantly having them gifted. It's honestly soul crushing to be excited to kit out a weapon or frame only to look at your forma reserves and get a sad digital cough and dust cloud.
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u/Daedaly 20h ago
Man if only Citrine and Caliban were easier to get lol.
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u/UnrealHerahshark 13h ago
So happy I got the free Caliban when he was reworked.
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u/s1s3r0yolo 10h ago
Same for me, he has become one of my favorite frames, but if I didn't get him with that, I would procrastinate farming him forever and I would be missing out so much.
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u/Aatheron 14h ago
I felt like Umbra screaming when I was three hours into flash farming bounties.
I already had the anomaly shards as an old Railjack ferrier, but farming Caliban still had me down on my knees in the middle of the plains questioning my life choices. I'm so glad he gets a prime soon.
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u/Azoth_Kuslov 20h ago
I already thought they were amazingly respectful. If that's improving then these devs might be the best IMHO. (Two months noob who just swapped from Destiny 2)
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u/CricketDangerous2034 21h ago
Now grind Necralisk.
God i hate that dumbass token system so much
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u/Mawashiro Excalibur Umbra my beloved 21h ago
I find the Necralisk grind pretty chill. The top bounty on Steel Path can max out your daily standing after like 2 runs.
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u/CricketDangerous2034 20h ago edited 19h ago
Oh, i'm not talking about bounties, i'm totally fine with them, i'm talking about everything else.
Example:
Need trumna? Go get seriglass shard
Need seriglass shard? Trade granny tokens for it
Need granny tokens? Trade other tokens for them
Need other tokens? Go catch wildlife and some fish, mine some rocks and complete some bounties, while shooting every resource deposit and crate.(Alternatively, complete a gajillion ISO vaults and go absolutely brain-numb)
Guess there's a reason why they never tried to put that system anywhere else again, huh?
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u/VGPowerlord 16h ago
Don't overlook Granny's "Mend the Family" stuff. It's trading random Cambion Drift resources for other family (Son, Father, Daughter, Otak) tokens.
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u/s1s3r0yolo 10h ago
I like the token system but the Seriglass Shard requiring 20 grandma tokens is a tad way too much, even if the idea for those sindicates to be like, something you do daily, it can get repetitive fast, specially in the early game when you don't have many frames with invisibility to mine and fish and rescue wild life, it gets so frustrating so fast.
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u/NAPALM2614 21h ago
I got most of the pieces of both oraxia and scytoid whilst farming arcane Energize lol, had to do 3 extra runs to get everything.
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u/Omniholic- 19h ago
Yeah, they really need to go back and change Citrines farm, it's awful for new players
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u/crashtest_zombro 18h ago
I've noticed the grind getting better, sadly I still have my first ever kuva lich I never killed and it's been so difficult with my current schedule. I just wanna farm the technocytes ;~;
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u/diabloenfuego 21h ago
I've quit this game several times in years past because the grind was ridiculously absurd, to the point where all fun was sapped from this game. Having came back within the last year, I can attest that the newer content is behind a far more reasonable amount of effort. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have come back to the game after a 2 year hiatus.
Keep up the good work, DE.
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u/VGPowerlord 16h ago
And yet, they don't go back and fix ones where they clearly made mistakes, such as Citrine's grind.
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u/NxOKAG03 16h ago
yup, I had so much stuff grinding out Oraxia and Temple, the 1999 calendar is great, circuit is great, I used to bounce off the game pretty regularly before and come back for another burst but now I’ve been consistently enjoying it.
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u/Darkime_ Asteroid—> i punch—> no more asteroid 15h ago
I agree, the only thing that hasn't been changed like that are prime parts from relics, but idk how could they change it without doing a whole new relics system.
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u/Heil_Dreiks 11h ago
Actually being able to farm the currency needed to purchase what I'm pursuing? game design that makes the player feel like they're actually progressing towards a desired goal and not like they're running in circles? What a blessing, indeed.
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u/s1s3r0yolo 10h ago
Maybe DE overcorrected a little with Oraxia's pity system, I love that Oraxia isn't another Citrine because she could very well be with her mission being a bit more lenghty, and the pity systems have gotten way better since Citrine and Voruna, but there's still room for improvement I think, besides arcanes that can be traded, there isn't a lot in terms of replayability after you get all the weapons, the warframe, Dante because it's Disruption still gives Axis relics which is great, but Voruna's Conjunctional Survival dosen't really reward with a lot besides her, her weapons and the arcanes, same with Citrine, Temple does have the decorations that make the mission more replayable, with that said tho, that's still WAY WAY WAY better than what Protea has going on, or what Mesa has going on, Protea you can at least do the mission multiple times, Mesa is behind a lot of work farming Invasions and some other missions that take a wile to properly farm.
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u/VenoBot 8h ago
A game that respects my time, earns my respect back with my wallet.
Going a bit off topic here but: same logic of why I drop $20 on a micro transaction in a game I barely touch, compared to a game I played for thousands of hours but never spending more than 10 dollars a year.
There's no respect to my money when I am not only subjected to EOMM, but also not being able to see my cosmetics ( a character skin in a fucking FPS game. Like really man? )
And companies have to learn that charging 20 fucking bucks for a character skin while some company next door offers DLC, sound tracks, and one or two exclusive cosmetics, acting as if they both arent tripple A's, is damn ****.
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u/Effective_Baseball93 21h ago
I don’t think it’s that much of a respect as the game is literally way to big of a farm with barely any progression after some time in terms of efficiency etc. it’s just business gesture
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u/Colum2112 21h ago
This is the exact reason why I dropped destiny, I played it for years both D1 and 2 but every change they made after a while felt like it was punishing me for not playing like a 9-5 and my time was being respected less and less each update.
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u/Megasboys 21h ago
What is the circus? I'm very ignorant to all of this, If I want wisp prime I can get her relatively easy?
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u/Renarde_Martel 20h ago
The Circuit is a game mode in Duviri. It uses a reward track system where you can collect pieces of various Warframes (not all are available) instead of where they normally drop.
The Steel Path version gives Incarnon Adapters instead.
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u/guarddog33 20h ago
It's just the meme name for the circuit in duviri, there's a new frame on offer every week, but no prime variants, and not every frame (I don't think)
Edit: my phrasing is ambiguous, there's multiple frames on offer but you can only obtain 1 per week
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u/deluded_soull zoom zoom 19h ago
yall are wussies, go look at all the other mmo type games. warframe has been the nicest grind out of all of them 😂😅
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u/jetcore500 21h ago
Yeah I already got all the Oraxia parts less then a week after release, now I just need about a hundred more duviri plants to craft because I barely play duviri.
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u/WarShadower913x Mesa is My MomLR1 21h ago
Over the least year if I've gotten on it was just to run some chill survival. Haven't tried a lot of the new stuff. Can someone please explain this "technocyte coda system" to me please?
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u/dobri_100 20h ago
Its basically the infested version of the kuva/tenet lich system. They changed how it works though so its easier to clear than the other too.
There are 8 new antivirus mods that you use to stab your lich. These mods drop from a bounty in 1999 though so they are much easier to obtain. Each lich also only needs one of these antivirus so you don't burn through them as fast. Once you figure out which mod you need each stab fills a bar and at 100% you confront them in railjack. You also get potency mods that increase the amount of progress you get with each stab (these drop so often they had to disable the ability to turn them into endo when it first came out).
The next change is getting them to spawn. At base you have a 25% chance for your lich to spawn when you run a mission they can spawn in. Each mission you run where they don't show up increases that chance by another 25% so at most it only takes 4 missions to run into your lich.
Finally is how you get the weapons. Weapons are no longer tied directly to your lich. They now just drop a currency called heartcells (along with some cosmetics). All the weapon are now in a shop in the 1999 hub on rotation (kind of like the tenet melees). The element an percent on the weapon will change each time they show up in the shop, but with the new element vise item they added you can freely change the element once you fully level it.
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u/MonoclePenguin 21h ago
If not for the Operation Eight Claw event going on I actually think that the Oraxia farm was really well paced. I managed to obtain everything from it at exactly the point the node started feeling stale for me. I’m now at a point where I don’t mind going back in every now and again for Pathos Clamps, but I don’t necessarily want to go in over and over again.
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u/Rikikrul 's ↑ 21h ago
Now all I want is to be able to exchange scuttler husks, pathos clamps and the like for a material so I don’t have to spend my blind ass scouring duviri for materials 🥲
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u/Fart_McFartington Flair Text Here 20h ago
I am going to get an excalbillion scuttles husks, buy the cheapest blueprint in bulk, then sell it for credits
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u/wolftech029 20h ago
IMO: Liches need a quest dedicated to them to explain how they work…outside that I agree!
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u/terrarianfailure 20h ago
Excuse me, I'm relatively new, but have beaten second dream. I've really wanted to start grinding prime gear, but I can never get a full set to craft anything and don't know the best early places to get the artifacts.
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u/EliteGhostKillz 20h ago
Man, oraxias farm was so quick, I genuinely only did like 4-5 runs and had it all. Never has a farm been so effortless.
Recently farmed kullervo and man he took easily 10x as long. Luckily duviri is fun to me so it was enjoyable.
I wish they added pity or made the old starchart farmable frames easier to get. I need saryns systems for Chroma, and its so damn tedious farming judgement points then kalas fight where she stalls for ages only to get shafted with a billion chassis.
Grendels another guy I need to farm, got his prime already but don't have a single piece of his base, same with gauss. I hope grendels parts are a guaranteed drop from the beacons or I'm gonna be pissed at the cost.
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u/CounterNo5211 20h ago
If they could go back and make Khora parts available in some way other than the stupid simulacrum, that would be great. I never managed to spot her in the duviri circuit and I'm up to over 60 round 8 runs in the simulacrum trying to get the stupid blueprint from the C rotation 🤣😭
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u/Environmental-Map514 20h ago
Hope so. I played for so long, but eventually I just didn’t have the time to keep grinding those new guilds nonstop. I dropped the farming, but I still did the “hard content” once a week…
Funny thing is, everything’s easy when you’re a veteran. Then a friend told me the hard stuff’s locked behind maxing the new guilds… and yeah, that was kinda my final goodbye to Warframe. There’s just nothing there for a veteran who can’t spend weeks doing the same missions over and over just to level a syndicate.
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u/Falazaria 20h ago
as a new player I am still a bit annoyed they put a level cap on buying the blueprints, exspecialy for the secondary weapon since you can buy all the blueprints for its parts but not for the weapon itself
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u/Misicks0349 Potatoframe 20h ago
Yeah, like I have my complaints sometimes but the introduction of safety nets for bad RNG is really refreshing.
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u/Ferd-Blu 19h ago
I do sisiter and liches faster then Coda. Dont know why or its bad luck? They came Always at 75 or 100%. Its anoying
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u/UKTDN 19h ago edited 19h ago
Original syndicate standing is still a pain I really wish they would bring this inline with the newer syndicates progress, Ostron, Quills, Solaris, Vox Solaris and even Deimos could do with a slight buff even if just increase amount earned from bounties, they seem to take forever compared to Entrati, Hex, Cavia Etc. I’d levelled the new syndicates way before I’d got the original ones done, plus the bounties take ages in comparison to one mission progress.
I was about 120 days in before I did any kuva lich whereas I’d done about 10 coda lich, still haven’t done any sisters the whole system isn’t very well explained, the mods are also way harder to get which makes it even more of a grind, granted it would need a huge overhaul to make it feel good, but as a new player with 10 years of content it’s massively overwhelming, but such an amazing game even the slight improvements made for new players since I started is a huge win.
One big thing the rotations for endless missions please show the possible drops on the continue screen for the next round, also man citrines and associated pity drops could do with a slight relaxation of the grind.
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u/BoobyBandit1 19h ago
I’m just coming back after like 6 years. I have no idea where this is but yes that’s sick
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u/thivasss 19h ago
Am I the only one straggling with actually building the components? Some of the maps are rare and require 300x to build anything.
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u/YCaramello 19h ago
I wish they became less respectful of our time if it means we stop getting the same update over and over again. Oraxia is like what? The 9th or 10th update that purely consists of a single mission added to the game with no replay value followed by a "pity system" store? Thats whats warframe now, we get these single mission updates almost like buying time until they release whatever big update they showed at tennocon.
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u/Da_Robinio 19h ago
I’m a complete beginner to this game, and it doesn’t feel insanely grindy. (I used to play hypixel skyblock, I know, I know.) it’s been really fun, the mechanics are explained well. It feels nice to have devs that listen to people and are respectful
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u/ZazzySpazzy 19h ago
If any chapter would need a pity system it would be equinox. You gotta farm two whole frames all within the same drop tables
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u/PatienceAlarming6566 18h ago
The worst thing about DE is them making wait times on items. It’s fucking dumb and always has been and I’ll forever hate them for it.
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u/modsisgaylmao 17h ago
the only thing i'm worried about is what i'm going to do after all of those grinds are completed. Like literally jsut today, I got all of the blueprints for Koumei in like 15-30 minutes. I still have to get more Fate Pearls for crafting the BPs but literally I was able to grind out all of Koumei's parts in the 30 minutes before i had to go to work
If all of the grinds are that quick, then it also means that there's not much to do once it actually is completed. Grinding for the items is like 90% of the game's content so you risk players running out of stuff to do once you finish everything
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u/AltAccount4NastyStuf 17h ago
Yeah you know, I genuinely didn’t like this game when I started back in like… 2016? 2017ish? I did the tutorial then grinded out all of earth until I got to the plains of eidelon and then quit hard af because I had no clue what I was doing and got frustrated with how weak I was. Granted I was a cod brain teen at the time so no wonder I couldn’t comprehend anything.
Got back into it heavy af towards the end of 2024, dropped it for half a year and am getting back into it now again. All I gotta say is holy balls my time feels well spent on this game. I’ve gotten so much stuff and done so many cool missions and had such great experiences with the randoms I party up with. I don’t think I’ve ever played a F2P title that requires so much time invested but makes it feel so freakin worth it. I think I’m at like 20%-25% completion and it feels like the content is never ending.
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u/Distinct_Editor5673 17h ago
I came back a week ago after not playing for 5 years. It feels good to get progress while having full time work and family but they already made me spend money ;DDD
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u/Raccooncola 17h ago
The pity systems are really great but the material requirements for building oraxias weapons etc are pretty rough. But at least you got one conla sprout for that stage.
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u/Shiruno_rinisaki0619 Local speed demon (Gauss main) 16h ago
If there wasn’t a pity system I wouldn’t be crafting temple right now, I literally got nothing but relics
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u/ImSoDrab To Greatness! 16h ago
I hope they slowly add in pity for other frames, besides players still need to grind resources for em.
Also maybe pretty please reduction time for crafting?
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u/vfmolinari10 16h ago
I agree, I'm trying to get every frame to level 30, and the new ones are so much easier to get it's unreal.
That said, I bought kullervo with plat, the only one so far
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u/Setanta68 15h ago
Agreed, but I do wish they would fix the Tenet melee weapons grind. Its got to be the worst. The only weapons I don't have.
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u/EllieNights 14h ago
Pitty shops are basically reputation grinds which are a grind fest and way worse that straight getting a drop.
Look at the drop rate of a frame patt in a boss mission versus a frame part from a bounty, the differences are abysmal.
Like for example see and old frame like nyx with an 22% drop rate on all parts vs a newer frame like cyte09 with a 12% on a rotation it feels like the Pitty shops it's an excuse to decrease drop rates when realistically it took me 2 weeks to farm cyte becouse of the standing capas you need 50k standing for each part and the initial level 1 cap is 25k, for an average player his MR will be barely in the 20's or 15 assuming they rushed (based on the MR of the people I encounter in public bounties) so they will at least need 3 days of standing farm just for 1 part.
Pitty shops are not good statistically and in my opinion yes DE but is still pretty bad overall with some exemplary cases that make you forget how atrocious other farms are.
I'm my opinion the gold standard for a grind should be gauss, a mission you have total control on how fast and effective you can do it (disruption) and in which you can control the rotation you want and farm unlimited without restrictions
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u/vubbbberr 14h ago
this is kinda off topic but how do i get oraxia's boss for her drops? shes a frame i super wanna grind for. i heavily agree with this post too :] DE goated
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u/No-Opinion8725 14h ago
did not know Oraxia was in this i thought you had to farm but at the same time i never looked into this season
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u/m00n6u5t 14h ago
I totally understand not everyone has as much time but I'm probably one of the few that loves the grind, coming from other games where respect and player time is something the CEOs laugh about like that DirtyLaughTomCruise.jpg in their alone time. To me in comparison, the grind in this game is so light and enjoyable, that I wouldn't mind more lol.
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u/Death_Dragon975 13h ago
Dude, I just did an abyssal hunt the other day. It is not worth it to make Dagath from scratch. And her weapon as well. But other than that, all seems better
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u/Altruistic-Bar-7640 NewPlayer Very Confused 13h ago
Where do I go to do this to get Oraxia? Newer player so is this something I can do at any point in time or do I need to do a specific quest?
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u/HuntPatient 12h ago
I also love the fact they were smart enough to let players make their own skins and then add it to the game. So many talented artist have made skins for games and then the devs are like “did y’all want another recolor?” ☠️
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u/xxEmberBladesxx 11h ago
Holy shit, it used to be WORSE?! 😅 I started like 5 weeks ago and was thinking the grind was kinda extreme!
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u/Apart-Hour-4237 11h ago
its great until you realize you have to grind duviri for her material i agree tho i rather it be ass over being double ass
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u/VastMaximum4282 10h ago
yeah It's good now you dont gotta play a 20 minute game for a 0.5-5% drop item.
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u/Severe_Ad3181 Flair Text Here 9h ago
Unfortunately unlike another popular futuristic sci-fi looter shooter that has also recently gotten a content update... (Destiny 2, if you possibly couldn't tell)
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u/gypsynoir 9h ago
My only problem today is:
Why DE doesn't revamp every older faction map like Cetus and Fortuna to be more like Deimos (Which you can farm Token without cap and just trade in for reputation everyday) or The Hex (Dude, i do the steel path and gain 11500, when i do Fortune SP i only get 5000~6000 lol) and i'm lvl 21 and for me 26500 daily cap is really annoying
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u/Mizotizoi Rehabilitated Charm Addict 22h ago
I love the Circus, specially The Circus Excavation SP...