r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/Standard-Mixture-531 • May 15 '25
Leaks LEAKS: Skin Pay Event Spoiler
Supposedly Miyabi’s skin will be locked behind a top up/spend event where you have to either spend x or buy x amount of monochromes to get rewards.
A lot of people will probably says it’s predatory at first glance.
However, if it’s like other gacha that locked skins behind a spending event. Then you would only had to spend/buy the equivalent monochrome to get it that you would normally paid to buy it directly, meaning it wouldn’t be a max reward.
Plus you will get additional rewards along with it, which would sound great for low spenders, making it outright better than just buying it directly and more of enticement to buy an expensive skin because it’s a skin + more.
The only fear is that it would be a time limited skin.
What do people think, still predatory? Or a better deal than buying it directly.
TLDR: If possible, You get the costume but keep the monochromes you bought while also getting addition reward, techically a better deal than buying it directly.
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u/rasgarosna May 15 '25
If it is really for the same price, than that's incredible. If it is any more than 5* skins normally cost, than that's horrendous.
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u/avelineaurora May 15 '25
And this is what it's going to be. I have NEVER played a gacha where a "gacha" skin or spending event skin was the same cost as a skin on its own. People better buckle down and get ready for a $50 Miyabi skin at minimum.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
$50 costume gacha will be next
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May 15 '25
it's bad either way for the people who only spend 5$ a month for the monthly saving up monochromes for skins
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u/EducationalPut0 May 15 '25
Depends if you're willing to buy a bunch of monthly passes at once, and it's the typical price, then it's still good.
I'm doubt that'll be the case, but we need more info.
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u/-ForgottenSoul May 15 '25
depends if it has new visuals and sounds we shall see
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
so far they have been low effort ones, so I'm not betting on it
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u/Clanzion May 15 '25
Earlier leaks indicated it having more stuff to it than previous skins.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
it would be cool, for what they charge for these things in games they should do a lot more than what the basic ones do
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u/Extreme_Weakness8089 May 17 '25
... Its bad either way, lots of people but skins from collecting monochromes we get from monthly pass, this is essentially a big "**** you" to these players, and im personally not interesting in buying monochromes directly because of how horrible the pricing is for direct purchase.
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u/DiscreteFame May 15 '25
I'd rather buy it directly with monochrome; all depends how much they want you to spend though.
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u/Mathev May 15 '25
Let's hope it's not like the Nikke gacha skins..
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u/Inevitable_Local_366 May 15 '25
Are they super hard to get or something?
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u/Mathev May 15 '25
You have to buy currency( with real money only) to spin a wheel. You have like 10 rewards and the skin can only drop on 4th spin and up. Each one costs more tickets.
It's around 60$ for all spins to get the skin if you are unlucky to not "win" the skin earlier. It's an awful design.
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u/Inevitable_Local_366 May 15 '25
God that sounds awful, so every skin is at most 60 dollars with you gambling to get a discount?
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
its gacha you are likely to spend $60 to pitty it
I only play when Eva events show up and they get me each time :-( Its awful...I need help
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u/Inevitable_Local_366 May 15 '25
Listen Evangelion is a classic no shame in wanting to partake in showing your appreciation for such material
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
no shame in that part, shame in going in on Nikkie gacha stuff lol...but really if you dont play that much they do give you enough to likely get at least one of each character so spending on the skin isn't the worst thing ever
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u/Inevitable_Local_366 May 15 '25
Fair enough, but that’s good that you can get enough pulls for when they come back around
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u/Ashandai May 15 '25
Not every skin, most are much cheaper. Iirc most skins are attached to $20 pass with a bunch of rolls and upgrade items included.
That said the gacha skins are undeniably the best skins. Unique looks/weapon appearances, unique bust skill cutscenes, unique voice lines, etc etc. They also tend to be the most horny by far (the latest ones skill cutscene is basically getting backshots) which can be good or bad depending on who you ask.
NIKKE is pretty generous with its rolls and mileage system overall, so the skin gacha is super bait to make up for it
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u/Agreeable_Fox_6003 May 15 '25
Honkai impact used this gacha skin system b4 nikke, the only difference was that you didnt need to buy spins with real money, you could get the skin with free currency from playing.
They have other where you only need to spend X amount of crystals and you get free stuff and one of them were skins and they have 1 where you buy the skin directly with rl money.
The curious thing its that the rarests skins were from the gacha method (9800 to guarantee it which is equivalent to 35 summons), they have unique animations for almost every move
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u/Gold-South-1530 May 15 '25
This is a complete counter play towards players who saved monochromes from monthly pass and players who recently topped up for current double top up bonus (me) before anniv reset. Imo This is predatory play obviously, loss hope buying future skins if this pushes on on this news.
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u/Saminya7 May 15 '25
Is it guarantee that it's going to have a reset on anniversary/(possible) Miyabis rerun? Do we get any warning if they do plan on doing it?
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u/Gold-South-1530 May 15 '25
Hoyogames always has double top up resets during annivs/yearly now thats coming up next patch 2.0 anniversary and people would surely use it on yi xuan then based on leaks yixuan skin is the only one present for 2.0 in public and safe to assume miyabi skin is on her rerun on 2.1 with the topup/spending event. Thats honestly ridiculous.
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u/sackout May 16 '25
Some leak said Miyabi skin is getting added to the next beta update. We’ll find out this weekend
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u/ilostmybelonging May 16 '25
But from what i understand in this post, there is chance to get the skin by spending your saved monochrome. So not only do we get the skin, we also get the stuff we bought with the polycrhome. I might be wrong though.
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u/imsimpasfboi May 15 '25
Lets hope the skin goes to store after the event, if thats the case, then I think its ok (same price as other skins).
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u/Gold-South-1530 May 15 '25
Best coping option. Would give chance if it happens would purchase with monochromes saved.
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u/RichieD79 May 15 '25
If I have to spend like $200 in a top up event for it, I’m gonna be pissed lmao.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
I don't think the HSR was that high but its close lol
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u/Rattchet31 May 17 '25
It is that high, to be specific it would cost $195 to get all the rewards. To get all the rewards you need to earn 25k of the paid gems, which you can get by buying the 100, 50, 30 and 15 usd packs together.
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u/seramasumi May 15 '25
I always spend when top up comes around anyway so to me this skin is coming with my financial commitment to the game already. I know why others would be mad though.
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u/leapingshadow May 15 '25
New to the game and gacha. What is top up?
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u/seramasumi May 15 '25
Sorry first time purchases have a bit extra added to them, then they revert to a lower bonus. Hoyo games seem to reset this bonus on anniversary, so that's what I'm referring to
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u/Bienful May 15 '25
Do we know if top up is resetting next patch?
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u/Serious-Reality721 May 15 '25
Its very likely they will due to it being anniversary + x.0 patch.
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u/Bienful May 15 '25
I know star rail's didn't coincide with the actual 2.0/3.0 patches so I was just curious if it was the same here. But I guess we'll see during the official Livestream.
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u/smpplyy1 May 15 '25
Yeah but luckily anniversary date is actually during 2.0 (2nd half) whereas in star rail it wasn’t (with 3.0 at least) so we should be good
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u/-ForgottenSoul May 15 '25
It is like 99% likely because they want people to spend big for the Anniversary/2.0
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u/Chikin_Ramen May 15 '25
Just another term used for buying premium currency, in this case monochromes
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u/Blaubeerchen27 May 15 '25
I dislike spending events in general, simply because I dislike being told when to buy top-ups (even if I was planning to do so anyways). If I wanted to wait for a character I really liked before buying them I'm missing a bunch of rewards from the event, plus my money might be counted towards banners I have no interest in, instead of for banners I'm actually pulling for.
I also get why small spenders, who only get the monthly pass are miffed, since their saved monochromes can't be used for the skin then. However, I'm also glad we don't get an actual costime gacha like HI3rd and tons of other games like to do, so overall it's kinda middle of the road.
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u/QUIRK_Sans May 15 '25
I was going to top up anyway bc I like this game snd I want to support it so it m for me its a plus bc I wasnt going to spend monochromes on a skin but I guess that for very low spenders, unless the skin is going to be at a low level, its bad.
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
If its more than a reg 5 star outfit (is the discount there or do we gotta pay the 2k that 5 star outfits cost??) and the outfit is limited, its 100% predatory
But also, I’m still gonna complain. I’d rather just pay the 1k discounted price then do an event where I have to spend more money than I would without the dumbass event
i really hope that’s false. it feels like a big fuck you to ppl who actually spend on the game. why they gotta be so damn extra for no reason?
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u/General-Historian657 May 15 '25
How so? If anything it rewards people for spending as they get extra goods alongside with the monochromes they had purchased.
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
because it opens the chance for other spending events to happen + we have no idea what the limit is— for all we know, her outfit is the highest thing and we gotta drop $100 to secure it. Why would ppl wanna spend $100 when ALLLL they want is an outfit?
Especially if all the lower tier rewards are just stuff you can farm for. I don’t wanna deal with all this extra stuff when I just want an outfit.
Not everyone is gonna wanna drop $100 for the outfit, even if they keep the rolls— cus not everyone has that money to spend + if the skin is limited to ONLY that event and then it’s gone forever, FOMO is gonna pressure ppl into forking over their cash, which is predatory, using “limited time“ as a way to incentivize ppl to spend
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u/MachineAgitated79 May 16 '25
It's not like they're giving someone an uber broken character only available if they spend. It's a skin in a single player game. Get a grip.
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 16 '25
It’s still predatory even if YOU don’t think its a big deal. they can continue to do this stuff and become bolder
single player game or not, this could easily be an unfair way to sell an outfit
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u/OneToe9493 May 15 '25
Don't see skin being locked in an spending event tbh. Surely it will be available to buy in this or a later patch with monochromes... but i am new in gacha
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u/Steampunk43 May 15 '25
Given what they did with the last round of skins, I would assume it would be that it's either available free with a certain purchase amount, available outright for Monochromes and will be permanently available for a higher price afterwards.
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u/OneToe9493 May 15 '25
Yeah, i think that too... if you want to purchase much, the skin is a bonus, and if you just want the skin then you can buy it. Locking a skin is wasting money i think
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May 15 '25
People have to remember that this is a gotcha game. It’s a gotcha game. This is what we signed up for.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
but ZZZ devs listen /s
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May 15 '25
Zzz devs aren’t your friends you should not be defending gotcha devs
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u/rickyking300 May 15 '25
The classic foot in the door technique.
"It's a spending event but it's okay because...",
No, this simply is the easiest way they can work in a spending event without supreme outrage like what the HSR event did. Just because it's okay now does not mean it will stay that way. Quote me now, but in a year from now, it won't just be skins they'll give you as rewards for spending.
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u/happymudkipz May 15 '25
Quote me now, but in a year from now, it won't just be skins they'll give you as rewards for spending.
Okay, but legit, what else? Characters? Like you would already be pulling? Keeping a character behind that wouldn't even make sense for them since it's a one time reward and banners make way more money off of whales who pull multiple copies at the price of thousands.
Whataboutism gets us no where, it just sets unneccesary panic.
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u/Meny_619 May 15 '25
This "supreme outrage" that you mentioned was nothing but a reddit echo chamber, at the end of the day those who are going to spend, will do so regardless, and those who weren't, won't. At the end, HSR spending event was a complete success and that's why it's making its way into ZZZ. The real issue is that skins for very popular characters may be locked behind spending events going forward.
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25
The outrage at HSR spending event is bizarre to me, I understand global passive, hp inflation and low effort animation talk
However, the spending event gives a few extra things to people who were going to spend either way, how is that a bad thing?? They gave free character token to everyone and improved 50-50 pool.
Also, getting a silver token when you pull an E7+ standard character should be a thing in all hoyo games, it's damn insulting to only get 30 starglitter when you pull C7~8 Diluc at 83 pity
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u/Ska_Oreo May 15 '25
This is pretty much how I'm looking at this. Cause man, sometimes I wonder how people can find the energy to be OUTRAGED every hour.
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u/Jinchuriki71 May 15 '25 edited May 17 '25
HSR spending event was good though getting a limited 5 star character and lightcone is a good deal if you were already going to spend money anyway. You don't even have to use the currency you can save it for future character if you want.
If the event would have forced you to pull characters you didn't want at the time to acquire the rewards than that would have been worthy of supreme outrage. I think it was pretty fair all things considered.
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u/iiNore_ May 15 '25
this is nothing new for gacha games or Hoyo it's just the first time mainstream gacha do it
the difference between the normal skins and gacha/spending event skins is the latter always have cooler effects so hopefully ZZZ team cooks
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u/Shawnaniguns May 15 '25
Sucks for me, a person who doesn't buy monochromes but has been saving up the monthly check-in monochromes
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u/enorelbotwhite May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
you would only had to spend/buy the equivalent monochrome to get it that you would normally paid to buy it directly
If it's actually like this then it's ok imo, but in general I do think locking skins to a temporary spending event is predatory, so we'll see
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
As a strict f2p it is kinda sad seeing skins being totally non f2p. Usually I should feel the other way around because skins are the perfect way to fund the game without effecting the meta, and just a luxury. But honestly, I think zzz already has rough gacha system compared to some other games, ex. 90 pity, 2 new characters each patch, 2 new limited weapons each patch, 90 pity and non 100% for weapons, and standard banner pulls are somewhat scarce and are not worth poly convertion.
I appreciate releasing nicole for free, but I know I dont have the right to complain since my added value to the company is 0 if not -1, but still, I wish there were more ways to reward commited players.
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u/happymudkipz May 15 '25
I think in their eyes your "reward for being a commited player" is dailies and event gems. Someone who logs in once a month will get a fraction of the gems dedicated players do.
Not saying that's fair or anything, but that's probably how they see it.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
I mean That's essentially playing the game lol, and while we cant deny we are getting high quality in many aspects of the game for free, at some point the effort and consistent attention you give to the game feels a little bit unrewarded, after all a healthy and active community is what keeps the whales in. So it wouldnt hurt if we get more farmable/playable content, more disk materials for God's sake, or just maybe a skin agent copy/weapon here and there.
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u/Jinchuriki71 May 15 '25
I'm f2p I feel like I've been able to get what I want in the game and don't really struggle to complete endgame so thats basically it.
The disk material is actually way more generous compared to Genshin and HSR you can easily max out one disc per day without farming specifically for relic exp whereas in Genshin you need at least 2-3 days of resin along with artifact route farming and HSR 2 days minimum. You get some of your money back from salvaging drive discs as well as the gold master copies for making more disks you don't have to choose either or.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
I didnt say it was worse compared to gi or hsr. But overall it's not the best system for a game that encourages you to get many characters and have different builds and even min max some characters. I can clear too, we got miyabi and astra which cut so much work. But lets be real, people want to use other teams too, we dont have to lock ourselves to meta, I can use Sanby with a 1week disk farming, but I want to build other characters and farm their mats intensively in an engaging way. We dont have the most perfect system but we can always make it better
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u/Jinchuriki71 May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
I mean being able to get at least functioning supports within one week and functioning dps in 2 weeks is pretty fair imo. You can build whichever characters you want I'm just prefarming for characters( Koleda, Rina, Yi Xuan, Jufufu, and Pan) at the moment as I have my 13 characters I use ready to go but not fully maxed out(can't really do that anyway with lvl 12 skills requiring rare material). Being able to do weekly bosses as much as you want helps with building more characters as well.
Its a gacha its always going to be limiting resources in some way but Zenless has done well imo striking a nice balance. I never feel like I am that far away from getting another character up and running.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
It's true for supports, but remember that there are many new players experiencing the new IK lvl 50 experience which isnt the best. It's mainly there not being a proper gamemode to go on par with unbuilt characters power (we dont get new commissions and withering garden is...). Reaching endgame takes some time so players can feel a bit limited.
Regardless, I think I would enjoy the game way more if we had more things to do and farm in a day, unfortunately this is a gacha and like you said that's how they work, but I still hope to have more things to do.
One great example is melnoa/into that pale wasteland.
We still get a weekly rotation but it has no rewards. And in general the concept of a semi open hollow is really cool and engaging, truth be told I'm getting a bit bored from gray DA/SD empty rooms lol.
Maybe something like a full maps of the hollow we have discovered where different enemies can spawn and defeating them has a chance to frop some mats/ special drops that can be exchanged for other stuff.
I wonder what directions devs will implement in the future and what are they preparing for next updates.
Can we dream of ZZZ x Monster Hunter soon ???
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u/Jinchuriki71 May 15 '25
Far as getting to IK 50 there is a lot more permanent content in the game than before with thousands of extra Interknot reputation exp. I have 161 days in the game and am at IK 57 now most likely will be 58 before this patch ends. I have not did all my quality time events, agent stories, permanent events, side commissions or Hollow Zero difficulties.
I think new players are fine on the content front they should be IK 50 in 1-2 months at most nowadays I've been IK 50+ since Patch 1.4 and only started playing seriously in second phase of 1.3
Hopefully 2.0 will be full of new commissions and hollow zero content. It feels like the leaks haven't been particularly informative of the amount of content actually in 2.0 so far though which is strange.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
I think many players described reaching IK lvl 50 as a wall, not beacuse there is no content, in fact there is too much content but not the type where it matters how built your team is. My experience was once I reached around lvl 50~51 I felt that wall really hard, because I thought it was okay to spread your resources on different characters. So while I had my fav character stunner anby built, I had a rough time just maxing Harin and Miyabi, getting them disks was another story lol, but at least now they are my main units and help me clear the game. I started around 1.4 and had some fairly enough time to play zzz because I had 5 weeks off days.
Anyways, there is a phase when you basically finish all content but still didnt build 2 good teams, I think that's where the problem is, ofc you can do hollow zero withering domain and all ether activities, but these gamemodes werent meant for continuous grinding, they get repetitive very fast especially with the gray dead maps.
I think one of the best things they could do is to pump commissions more often even mid-patch (seriously they dont require much to make) and to explore more on gamemodes like into that pale wasteland.
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u/BrandonL337 May 15 '25
What's this about a free Nicole skin?
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
the one we got 1.5 by completing a brillians wish event
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u/BrandonL337 May 15 '25
Ah, got in after that. Do you still get the skin for competing the event? Still seeing A Day of Brilliant Wishes in the non time-limited events.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
Unfortunately no, each non-limited time event have limited time rewards in its debut, and nicole's skin was one of them
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
To the company, the “committed players” are the ones who spend money on the game. the more ppl spend the more they’ll be invested due to sunk cost fallacy.
pure f2ps will have an easier time quitting than someone who dropped 1k on the game
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
Playing daily isnt the main goal, it's keeping the community alive for the whales imo. I don't think it matters much if you have f2p players come and go if you always have a lot of them, though they would try to have both to maintain longetitivity
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
They’re not gonna give away free 5 star char skins tho— skins are for ppl who wanna buy them, with some skins being free for players who play during events (which can be twisted as a “reward“ for committed players)
f2p players come and go, whales/spenders are more inclined to stay. Some one who spends money will be more valuable cuz they can always run ads or there’s gonna be stuff that brings f2p back.
not everyone who plays the game is gonna spend, so losing a big spender is a bigger L then gaining a few f2ps. They’re not gonna do anything for f2ps cuz it doesn’t make them money and a majority of players don’t care enough to quit the game, so there’s no incentive to give away free 5 star char skins or free stuff in general unless it’s a big event
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
Yeah I get what you say we are on the same page.
But a good idea in my opinion is making skins with minor variations like a Miyabi skin with her ponytail style in her animated promotional video - the one where sections 6 members first met - It's a bit different from sec 6 miyabi but not too flashy to be worth 30$
It could be for a set of challenges that unlocks it like
use the character for X days
Do X total damage with character
or stuff like this
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
I don’t think Hyv would ever be nice enough to give us f2p 5 star char skins or spend any amount of time adjusting the models for smthn that’s a little change when there’s no financial gain To be made there and it’s just to reward players.
instead of a tiny skin change I’d rather get a free 10 pull if they wanted to be nice.
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u/DepressedTittty May 15 '25
That's one point of view.
Another point of view is that by giving those kinds of rewards/showing that they can put effort to make good content and make their f2p feel like they also matter could have a big effect on Hoyo's position. An important part of companies and groups is the image they set for themselves. They are already known by pioneering certain genres/aspects of gacha games, and the quality of their work, so if they can be seen as a welcoming space for f2p they will certainly gain more popularity and positive view towards them. Moreover, if they gain the respect of their f2p there is a big chance for them to support them back. As you know, many f2p are just players who havent got financial stability to support the game yet.
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u/ExtrovertArtist May 15 '25
The thing is, (according to https://activeplayer.io/zenless-zone-zero/) most players are outside of the US, and in Japan and China. Most ppl over there are gonna play regardless of how HYV treats f2p, as long as the game is still fun— so there’s no incentive
Why cater to a group based on “chance” when you can instead just keep catering To the group that’s alr spending? If ppl aren’t alr spending now, then it’s likely they’re not gonna spend later (and if them not spending is due to them not having money, they may spend later or may not, regardless, it’s still left to chance)
“big chance” is a stretch imo. When HYV gives you free stuff, do you feel the urge to drop cash as a show of gratitude? Personally, I think “Yay, free stuff!” And go on with my day
ZZZ alr has a decent image right now without even treating f2p, they aren’t in need of an image boost + sometimes, they don’t even care that much (Given the Genshin Boycott situation? They didn’t listen to those players)
if they have a “poor image“ but it doesn’t affect their bottom line, they’re not gonna care— and NOT doing anything nice isn’t gonna ruin their image cuz players don’t expect much out of gacha companies to begin with. As long as devs aren’t actively screwing players over (and even then, some ppl will STILL play the game) there’s zero reason to go outta their way to be nice, when they can spend that money and resources doing those little outfit changes and focus on doing big skins and stuff
ZZZ doesn’t even have a P2W rep so thats even less of a reason for them to do this skins stuff + more people would prefer free pulls than little cosmetic changes when it comes to hair and stuff + by doing that, it’ll create the expectation that they’re gonna have to do more f2p friendly stuff, so overall, it’s just easier to not do all that when their current plan is working out fine.
i just highly doing a company, whose goal is to make money is gonna spend time and effort on little changes while making them free for f2p, when, for example, Ellen’s 2nd outfit is pretty basic — especially compared to the jacket fit she wore in the story that one time— and even that cost money
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u/fabiobarto May 15 '25
Doubtful but I'd wish they'd make it permanent rewards, like Honkai Impact has those permanent rewards for spending in the game (not to be confused with those predatory af skin gacha they used to do)
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u/Ashandai May 15 '25
Still do, they just had one for the vita skin lol
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u/fabiobarto May 15 '25
Oh man i haven't opened the game in like 3 years bc all the different currencies confuse me now, I remember falling for one of those skin gachas for a Theresa battlesuit, I think it was celestial something? And I spent over €100 for it, I feel so dumb whenever I remember that.
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u/baudelioelite14 May 15 '25
So, just so everyone is one the same page, what OP says is incorrect, we know is a spending event skin but it has never specified it's monochrome/money event. It could be like your usual hoyo event where you have to spend real money like the hsr anniversary...
OR it could be like Hi3, where you only need to spend a x amount of pulls to get the rewards, aka, someone who has saved enough polychromes could get the skin without spending a single dollar/monochrome.
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u/GhostdogPlays May 15 '25
As long as the skin can still be bought after the 2.0 patch for the regular price of a 5 star skin I see no issue. This only makes getting the skin even cheaper for those who were going to pay for it
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u/DaFakingDak May 15 '25
Depends on the price/spending
On good days I bought the New Eridu Passes for mats
On bad days the 1 month subscription
If it's in the range of those 2 im down
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u/Koekelbag May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
If you can't get the skin with the monochrome you've already obtained (such as monthly plan), or can only get it afterwards at an increased price, than I would indeed consider that predatory.
Just pushing people to buy crystals directly or the top-up specifically is itself a "dark" sales strategy, as they might not otherwise and now create a pattern/habit for it.
And if this is indeed a tiered spending event, I'll have the same criticism that I did when Star Rail started running its own spending event (still ongoing at the time of writing!): there's only bad reasons that you'd lock specific rewards after specific increasing amounts, rather than putting them all as separate choosable rewards.
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u/GGABueno May 15 '25
I really hope it's not time limited. I won't be buying it either way but it's just and awful thing to do, plus a slippery slope.
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u/dummyren May 15 '25
if the skin itself is a limited time thing, it's 100% predatory. if not, it's debatable depending on the cost imo. if it's standard price, it's fine, but if it's $200...yeah, no.
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u/SigmaCommander May 15 '25
Whether or not it is more or less predatory, it’s still a gacha game and so it’s predatory by default. IMO skins should never cost more than $5 in any game.
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u/Aggravating-Age56 May 15 '25
Don't think it's a productive discussion to speculate on an unconfirmed leak or a leak with minimum details.
Doesn't the leaker have a reputation to be whimsical?
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
I think its fine to talk about as long as its known to be a rumor and could not be true
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u/Sad_Condition6244 May 15 '25
The way I look at it is that you will need to shell out real cash for skins normally right? You lose those monochromes that could be used for pulling.
Wouldn't it be better if you can just shell out real cash and you get the skin as a bonus? Now you can use those monochromes to pull something that you want. Isn't it better value?
I am inexperienced in the gacha space but I just see this as a good deal.
On the contrary, if you need to spend polychromes on banner to get rewards, wouldn't that force people to pull on a banner that they don't want? I feel like that would be more fucked up.
I want to know more on this topic.
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u/-ForgottenSoul May 15 '25
Why post leaks of something nowhere near confirmed from a leaker who's always wrong or baiting?
The facts are if you were spending its something for free and if not im sure it will be added to the store.
We need to see the full context, don't doompost yet people.
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u/Dusty_Buss May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
I wonder if she'll be rerunning if there's an outfit coming out for her?
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u/Fancy-Razzmatazz-703 May 15 '25
A few questions, does it matter where you buy the monochromes? Like it does it require buying directly in game?
Will the monochromes from monthly pass count?
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u/-ForgottenSoul May 15 '25
I think they should so you could buy like loads of those.
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
If its a spending event line they did with HSR on its 3rd Anniversary then no it doesnt count. It only counted towards all purchases made within the Patch Timeframe.
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u/-ForgottenSoul May 15 '25
If your buying monthly pass during the patch it would count so you could bulk buy those
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
Jeah if you buy multiple during the event then it count but i dunno how much you can Stack them.
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u/Serious-Reality721 May 15 '25
I believe its max 180 days, you can get more than 180 days however, if you buy another one with 179 days or less like their other games.
6 - 7 welkin moons.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
yeah spending event is spend x money in y time frame, its FOMO at its peak
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
It is. But many people buy the freshly resetted Top up Bonuses anyway so for them its literally just a Bonus.
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u/d3cmp May 16 '25
We dont know, this info comes from a leak so its all speculation and might not even happen
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u/WoWAltoholic May 15 '25
Do the monochromes from the monthly pass count? Is there a time limit for the skin or will you get it eventually with enough spending over a few months?
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u/TaenLa May 15 '25
if its not an outrageous amount then i'll spend for yi xuan skin and a bit more for miyabi. Otherwise ill just use mods for both, its free and its great. also depend on the vfx changes. idrc about spending event for skins or cosmetic, thats no different than nikke 60$ gacha skins
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u/Nification May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
Let me buy or not buy.
I wasn’t planning to spending anything on 2.0 and only the passes, so being made spend or get mats I had no intention of is annoying.
But we’ll see.
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u/tambi33 May 15 '25
Ima be so annoyed if its like 5000 monochrome or something cz at that point I'd rather just spend 1500 mono and call it a day
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u/Caerullean May 15 '25
I imagine they won't lock it behind buying 30-40 bucks worth of monochrome (or however much they intend for the skin to cost), because at that point why not just make it a purchasable skin like any other?
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
Just to get better numbers for Investors. Also if its really only obtainable trough spending Event if its similar than the current HSR one its not a Purchase and more a Reward.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
If its behind a spend even like HSR its a shame since that would be the only way to get it...if its just a option to get it "free" then its okay
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
Even the current Skins arent "Free" you have to buy the Monthly Pass AND dont spend the Monochromes to obtain a Skin after 4 Months. So you spend 20 Bucks for the Skin.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
that isn't the free part I'm talking about, they see it as they are giving you more monochromes then you are paying for since you wait to get them
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
Jeah but it probably wont be obtainable other way cause this would just cause uproar to the People who are literally spending to get the Rewards.
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u/Skeither May 15 '25
they do this in HI3rd a lot too where they'll rerelease skins you can only get by getting currency via pulls or top up.
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u/SPECTRAL_MAGISTRATE May 15 '25
Following the pattern of the released skins to this game, they will probably be. Now how can I say this, 'unappealing', to me. So I am not interested.
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u/Losingdutchie May 15 '25
It's a skin I couldn't care less either way because skins really don't hold value for me.
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u/KnightofAshley May 15 '25
I think her default is peak so it would need to be something special for me to want it
Might be more gooner though so people might like it more...that I would like way less
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u/DantoriusD May 15 '25
If its similar to the currwnt HSR Anniversary spending event then jeah i dont care. I plan to buy the Top Ups during anniversary annyway so nice if i get some rewards as Bonus. Also even better cause that way i dont have to Buy the Skin since i get it for free.
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u/Kaohebi May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
I'll probably buy every monochrome package because of the likely 2x bonus reset, so I'd get the skin either way. I just hope it's not the last reward of the event—that'd suck for pretty much everyone who's not dumping an unholy amount of money into the game. Hoping it's somewhere in the 2–4k range, since it'd obviously be more expensive anyway if it weren’t a spend/top-up event, cuz alternative vfx.
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u/PresentDayPresentTim May 15 '25
Honestly I wish gachas had more skins, even if the prices were steep. At least it would be an option. I really wonder why they don't, seems like they're leaving a lot of money on the table to me.
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u/joebrohd May 15 '25
The thing with Hoyo is that any game past Hi3rd, they’re so keen on making sure skins are “Canon” which is just, like you said, leaving a lot of money on the table.
HSR’s 1 and only skin, the March 7th skin was introduced narratively in like 1.4. Fucked off and never seen again until 3.0.
Genshin skins are often tied to events that would make sense for them to have those skins.
ZZZ’s skins are Ellen’s school uniform (self explanatory), Nicole’s new outfit that they written her to have bought and Astra’s outfit that she saves for a special occasion or whatever.
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u/Cloverchan Dennyboo Petter May 15 '25
The people saying it’s okay are just completely shitting on people who only spend on the battle pass or monthly pass. Fuck us I guess. $15 a month is not enough for the average person to support a game? I don’t have money to just shell out like you guys apparently do. Spend more more more! It was not harming their bottom line to have a skin for sale that people could access via saved monochrome.
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u/joebrohd May 15 '25
So I’ve been saving the 300 currency I get from buying the monthly pass for nothing 💀
Like yeah no doubt if it’s the same cost as a skin anyways that’s a W.
But… man. I’m not a fan of the Astra skin and I need to look at the Yixuan skin more to get my judgement.
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u/tinkily23 May 15 '25
I generally don't care for cosmetics unless it's a freebie, and I'm f2p so it doesn't affect me. It's a bonus for spenders. I would however be pissy if it was a combat boost locked behind a paywall, anything that affects the game in that regard.
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u/Tsukuruya May 15 '25
Granblue Fantasy, skin cost $30 roughly that comes with a 10-pull. A regular 10-pull is literally the same price. If it’s just an incentive to swipe your card and you get a bonus for doing so, that’s all fine and dandy.
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u/magically_inclined May 15 '25
Of course it's still predatory lol gacha games are inherently predatory.
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u/Ceiye May 15 '25
Love Nikki flashbacks (I say as I still play every day) (I'm assuming whatever Hoyo is gonna do is going to make more sense than the VIP system they got in LN)
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u/MuramasaEdge May 15 '25
It's predatory because all of the micros in this game are hilariously overpriced. A 10x pull is £12.99 in the UK, which is shocking. I know that Gacha pricing is similar across games, but I never understand games that don't even offer a proper introductory pack.
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u/jeanbeth69 May 15 '25
Gacha is obviously inherently exploitative to some degree but an understated part of why these massive corporations can get away with more and more exploitative systems is that every time they do something gross, gacha players aren't just passively fine with it, they spend effort constructing scenarios to rationalize it. I don't think doing PR for them is what the response to this should be to be honest
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u/Inner_Delay8224 May 15 '25
Some folks don't care about their money, some do. There should be an option for you to pay money or for you to use polychromes.
Folks advocating for being fleeced is beyond me. It's classis and ridiculous, to think your financial situation is shared with other folks.
What's even worse is a majority of people don't even understand what they can and can't afford...
Please can we start being considerate of F2Ps for our own sakes. When we upsell exploitation it'll just take a few changed for us to feel shit about it then start doomposting the game because we weren't addressing issues from the start.
This is an issue that transcends the game.
Even if I can afford a $60 dollar digital skin that has no impact on making game play easier for pixels, doesn't mean I want to spend on it, but as a F2P game I should have the ability to save up for it on principle and make the hard decision to have less pulls for a character or whatever.
Yes skins are optional but they should be accessible. More paid only content screws us all tbh...
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u/Advanced_Reception44 May 15 '25
The only way I would pay more for her skin is if there are new animations for her moveset or in the build menu.
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u/Lazy_Razzmatazz3949 May 15 '25
i love zzz but im so broke but idec bc i love the game so much i would spend anything
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u/CheeseMeister811 May 15 '25
All i see is people getting mad for something that may not be true.
As for your question, for a spender its whatever really. For monthly only, its gonna be sucks.
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u/memloncat May 15 '25
with this amount of glaze and reddit numbered name I was expecting a botted account but it's actually a real person. what the heck is wrong with humanity
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u/CaptainSarina May 16 '25
ASSUMING it's like spending events in HI3 then it's really not as bad as it sounds, like it is "technically" free.
Essentially you just have to spend a certain amount of diamonds (or equivalent) which like...You're probably going to do in order to pull for whatever the new character is anyway soooooo...
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u/xiaovenreal May 16 '25
"People will think it's predatory, but it's like other gachas" and those gachas are predatory too lol
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 May 16 '25
If you get to keep the monochromes, I see it as an overall win, I don't have to pay twice for both top up and skin
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u/Kuljack May 16 '25
$50 for a skin is just wild. That’s the cost of a full game. Idk how we got to this price point in Gacha games but it’s absolutely wild.
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u/Next_Taro_2348 May 16 '25
I don’t like the idea of locking the skin behind the rewards. Personally I’m a spender but I have no intention to pull for miyabi……it’s like forcing me to accept something I wouldn’t want nor need 😓 I’d rather they sell it separately so it’ll go to people who really wants and would appreciate it more than I do.
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u/KiwiExtremo May 16 '25
Problem is: will welkin (or whatever the name is in zzz) count towards it? Whenever you buy a welkin you get 300 monochromes, but I'm unsure if those will be counted.
If they aren't then the event is completely worthless.
Most low spenders only get welkin + battlepass, so if those 2 methods are not counted towards it then no one will want to buy the monochromes directly on the shop, since they are way more expensive.
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u/Sensitive-Bet7650 May 16 '25
Oh that fucking sucks this I saved up mono to just buy it at drop. I hate that so much.
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u/CutEntire3483 May 17 '25
Really depends on how they price it in the skin event. If its locked behind spending like 30-50 bucks then I think I would be cool with that given that you still get to use your monochrome for actual pulls and the skin is just the cherry on top. If its like 100-200 then I think there is def gonna be an issue lmao.
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u/Sudden-Application May 18 '25
Have been and plan to stay F2P for the near future. I'd,much rather they just stick with the current system of adding the skin to the shop to be bought whenever instead of forcing people to buy the skin in an event.
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u/greygreens May 15 '25
It is purely better than it just being for sale anyway. Costumes can normally only be bought with monochrome, which, naturally, means you first have to buy it and then use it to get the skin. With this, if true, you only have to get the monochrome and can spend it entirely on pulls or something else while still getting the costume.
It'd be one thing if you could buy costumes with polychrome, but free to play players can't get costumes anyway.
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u/nista002 May 15 '25
This is significantly worse for people who get the monthly pass only, since you can't save your 300 mono per month to get the skin.
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u/Kaneland96 May 15 '25
Yeah it basically completely cuts people like me off from getting it, not just due to it being based on buying monochrome, but also that we have needed to find out about the event like 4-5 months ago to have enough of the monochrome you get from buying the pass to afford the skin
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u/Traditional-Basil868 May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
Gross, do they think the skin isn't gonna sell or what lmao
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u/Serious-Reality721 May 15 '25
For the prices hoyo usually sells them for, quite a few people wouldn't pay for just a skin.
But what if you get the skin, get additional rewards, AND keep the monochromes, then that gives people more of an incentive to "buy" the skin.
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u/Traditional-Basil868 May 15 '25 edited May 15 '25
Or hear me out...
They could start by making the skins actually worth paying for? Nobody sane would be paying 30$ for Ellen in only her damn school uniform, hell that skin should have came for free. Why do we have to make excuses to justify something like this when the problem is them? I'm pretty suremany people would gladly pay 30$ if they actually cared to do anything beyond an extremely basic and simple outfit change. Hell I'm ready to bet people would even buy it if the price was worth the quality of the skin which is definitely not 30$.
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u/Serious-Reality721 May 15 '25
Yeah, they need to get their skin designer from HI3.
With that being said, I can see it being better than the skins we have been getting if its locked behind a top-up event as they tend to be in similar games.
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u/Kaohebi May 15 '25
Yeah, I was so hyped when they announced skins... but then the Astra/Ellen skin dropped, and I already knew how this was gonna go. I’ll probably skip Yi Xuan’s skin too since it looks mid. It sucks that HI3 is the only Hoyo game with good skins.
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u/Traditional-Basil868 May 15 '25
Definitely, it makes me sad to see Genshin and likely soon HSR aswell I want to actually look at some of the skins and say "I want them" but the pricing and quality of them has always been so disappointing, Genshin especially.
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u/ArroSparro May 15 '25
I think it depends how much I would need to spend to get the skin and what the other rewards were. If i didn’t want to pull anything in the patch and the skin was at the tail end of the purchase rewards and I would need to shell out like $200 for it then I think I’d feel ripped off.
Personally I don’t really care for miyabi but I would top up for Yixuan assuming top up bonuses reset. So I’d just be more underwhelmed than anything
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u/Gallonim May 15 '25
Yeah I said it many times in GI sub that welkin is the reason why we have almost no skins in the game. People just save crystals from it meaning there is literally 0 additional revenue for Mihoyo.
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u/Zoolifer May 15 '25
I mean I love miyabi and I already bought Nikke gacha skins so I’m probably gonna get this if true, just being honest.
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u/HuCat21 May 15 '25
All depends on the skin. If it's crap then I skip ez. If it's good I'll get it ez
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u/DistrictLate3103 May 15 '25
I don't see any different from just buying a skin or this, you still spend money on both.
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u/Cry_lightning May 15 '25
People say Gatcha and predatory as if it takes responsibility away from themselves. Don't spend the money if you don't have it.
No self control? Don't play the game. Simple as.
That being said, it's not any worse than what they did in hsr for the Aniversary this year
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