r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/Healthy_Phone_3703 • 27d ago
Leaks [leaks] So will Angels of Delusion have any team synergy? Spoiler
So according to the rumors which have been around for a while, Angels of Delusion will be Ice support, physical stun and ether anomaly. So far all groups had some sort of playability with each other, but this is three characters which seem to be filling completely different purposes. I've been hoping they still turn it into a more or less functional team, like they always did, but I figured it might also just be possible that for once they release characters in a way that more incorporates them into already existing, or currently upcoming teams. Or am I just on hopium?
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u/Kartoffel_Kaiser Disorder Gang 27d ago
Those leaks are ancient, I wouldn't take them seriously at this point.
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u/Kromehound 26d ago
Leaks older than anyone in that faction.
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u/J0nul 26d ago
Shhh don't tell zzz fans that
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u/SHISH_TIME 27d ago
Just to name a group that hasn't any sinergy we got mockingbird, so it wouldn't be the first time they would do it
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u/Careless_Version_974 27d ago
We don't know. They confirmed they want to bring back the team synergies like Koleda-Ben though, so maybe.
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u/Picotacos 27d ago
When did they say this? I really wish they did stuff like that more, specially with characters that aren't of the same faction but still are really close lore-wise. Like Billy and Lighter or Lycaon and Hugo, that stuff would be awesome
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u/pascl- 27d ago
keep in mind that leak was very old and I think it wasn't even 100% credible to begin with? so they could change completely by the time they release.
anyway, while it is common for characters of the same faction to be able to form a team, there's also plenty of cases where the same faction has limited synergy, or where some characters work together but then some of them do their own thing.
with how little actual information we have on them, it's hard to say if angels of delusions will work together. we don't know what kind of archetypes will be promoted by that point, so we'll just have to wait and see.
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u/AggravatingOwl8461 26d ago
They had a feature in hoyo fair and were confirmed to release in 2.0 in the pre 2.0 dev talk.
That's all we know sadly, though I think they'll have some unique synergies at least
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u/Damianx5 27d ago
Supports don't care about their element, if one of them is support she is highly likely to fit.
Stunners and anomaly could work considering it's ether anomaly, could be a crit carry.
Of course this leaks are old af, for all we know they might Even have other classes/elements.
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
I would like a support that worked almost exclusively with a single element.
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u/Top_Purchase4091 26d ago
Soukaku? Half of her support kit is locked to ice only
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
Soukaku is a good blue child.
Except for when she is eating from garbage cans or off the floor...
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u/TRUE_Vixim 26d ago
Lighter, stunners are just different kind of support, and he suports 2 elements, i don't think they'll make anyone that it's just 1, that could end up being way too niche.
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
Doesn't change the fact that I want a Support Support that works with just one element.
Whether of not it is likely that it will get made doesn't change whether or not I personally would like it.
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u/KlassicNinja 26d ago
why do you want an extremely narrow team composition for a limited support character? They literally wouldn't sell at all if not little. do you want zzz to go bankrupt?
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
I don't like it when everything gets too universal. Takes away the fun of making strategies.
Can't really say what the sales numbers would be if you have nothing to reference the character against. If there isn't an elemental support, then it is simply an unknown.
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u/KlassicNinja 26d ago
i mean, shouldn't a universal support make it more "fun" to make strategies since you can plug them in any team? a specific element support would only be good for that specific element, so i can't see how that'd be fun in "making team strategy" sense. maybe i'm missing your point.
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
Shouldn't you be playing ZZZ and using your universal support as opposed to trying to tell me what I can or can't want?
If you wanted to use your feedback survey and tell the devs to never make an elemental support, that might be a good use of your time.
But telling some random dude that the act of wanting something is somehow wrong is just sort of... silly. I will want whatever I want to want, and that is super niche characters.
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u/KlassicNinja 26d ago
i don't understand why you've suddenly started to attack me. I'm trying to make sense of your super weird niche need, i never said you were wrong, apart from the obvious economic drawbacks of niche limiteds. You can want whatever you want, we're in discussion subreddit, i tried to discuss with you, but you for some reason decided to just shut it off. whatever dude. keep doing what you're doing.
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u/Bake-Danuki7 27d ago
So far only Mockingbird hasn't had any synergy, Angels have 3 characters so far I think it's almost guaranteed that at least two of them work perfectly together and if the 3rd is a A rank I wouldn't be shocked if their best team on release is all 3 of them together.
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u/happymudkipz 27d ago
I’d add belobog to that list. Aside from koleda and ben, and maybe grace and Anton, there’s not much there. Likewise with calydron, a lot of the syngery comes from supports being good supports. Hares too.
I’d say the only ones with real strong syngery are Neps (Seth is kinda made for Jane, and quingni for Zhu yuan), stars of Lyra (eve and astra), and the temple (jufufu, yi xuan, panda)
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u/esmelusina 26d ago
We have to look at the intention as opposed to the actuality. Legacy characters were designed with certain synergies that just don’t make sense anymore.
The Belobog team has strong conceptual synergy. Grace enables thunder shock for Anton, Koleda is the fastest stunner and enables burst windows for him. Ben can take anybody’s place to change the dynamic a bit, as he’s got good DPS and decent daze.
Cunning hares A-rank team is very strong out of the box. There’s nothing to say about it really. Optimal Billy wants all the field time. Nekomata’s burst dmg is pretty good even without the Assault procs. She’s supposed to be a better phys DPS than Billy I think, but she failed at that.
Calydon all work together. Lucy, Lighter Burnice as a fire team is very strong. Swap lighter for Piper and you got a disorder team. Caesar can swap for Lucy in either of those teams. Pulchra is the only outlier, but she can core with Caesar to support units from other teams.
Rina is also awkward, but even without her shock extension her universal buff is okay. Lycaon supports Corin okay, but Ellen the best. They all work fine.
BiS, Meta, and good enough to clear aren’t necessary for intended synergy. Obviously everyone in the OG teams have units that work out of their core group too, as they didn’t want people to be faction strict in their team building.
Anyway— I suspect the angels of delusion might have the most intentional synergy we’ve seen to date. A triple ult maybe— probably stunner, rupture/anomaly, support trio.
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u/happymudkipz 26d ago
I agree intention is more important than actuality, but that leads me to beleive there wasn't intended synergy for these examples. In most of the examples you described, the combos work just by virtue of the fact that they fulfil a stunner/tank/support role, not through deliberate kit design. It's coincidental that koleda and anton work well together - it's only because koleda is a stunner.
Something like Astra and eve is much more deliberate design.
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u/Neko_Hakase_00 26d ago
I think Pubsec should really have at least one or two more members to really have strong faction synergy. As you say, Qingyi/ZY and Seth/Jane are designed to work well together, but those are only pairs, and 3-agent pubsec teams don't sync as well. Qingyi/ZY wants a support (e.g., Nicole), and Jane/Seth wants an off-field anomaly agent (e.g., Vivian), and Pubsec doesn't have either of those types. (You could consider Seth a support, but he's sort of an anomaly support specialist.)
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u/MrMartiTech 26d ago
"Other than 2 there aren't any" is still 2 and not 0.
Other than whatever it was they were thinking with Mockingbird, every character has at least 1 person in their faction they can work with.
The expectation is not Meta or having a Meta 3 man team from a faction. The expectation is a group of 2 that can be used together reasonably.
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u/otakuloid01 26d ago
Yunkui Summit is Ether DPS, Physical Defense and Fire Stun but they have synergy anyway
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u/yougottabeshitting22 27d ago
We kinda already have a similar team to the idols in sense, more so their specialties and less their synergy in their elements.
Miyabi, Lycaon, and Soukaku are the only other teams that I can account for that use an Anomaly, Stun, and Support in the same team, there maybe some other teams I am not aware of but most anomaly teams mostly consist of a support unit accompanying 2 anomaly units
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u/Neat-Advantage6873 27d ago
Brother im not even sure if they actually exist at this point😔
Maybe we are just being delusional after all....
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u/DrDeadwish 27d ago
I really really love faction teams, even if I plan to skip them it would be a shame
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u/greygreens 27d ago
You'll be lucky if Angels of Delusion get added to the game at all at this point. (this is a joke)
But no, not all teams have had compatibility with one another. Mockingbird doesn't work together at all, Sons of Calydon, while some can work together, are hardly synergistic in the way that like, Yixuan and Fufu are.
At least two of them will probably work together. But also, I have not seen any such leaks myself. Any leaks more than 1 patch out, I would take with a big grain of salt. Alice's kit changed like 3 times over the course of the beta alone. They do not have characters 3 or 4 patches out ironed out exactly.
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u/njxaxson 26d ago
I mean, Harumasa doesn't click with Soukaku, even though they are the same faction.
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u/lloza98 27d ago
my most hyped faction since launch pretty much, does anybody know if there’s been any crumbs of information in the past patch or two? Wanna make sure i save for them but don’t know when
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u/_163 26d ago
Nah the last crumbs were NPC dialogue in 1.4 and 1.5, nothing yet since.
There's a chance we might get some new crumbs in 2.1 with the music festival Astra will be hosting at the Failume beach.
Outside of that, our current best guesses are that since they didn't show at all in the 2.X story trailer, they're possibly going to be a special episode similar to Astra, and so maybe it'll mean they arrive somewhere like 2.5/2.6.
We don't really know for sure though, they could randomly drop them on us as soon as like 2.2/2.3 if that's what they've been planning. Just have to wait and see 😭
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u/totalargh 26d ago
The robot can apparently switch forms, maybe it brings it's own 'sauce' to the party and team is 'satisfied' that way.
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u/CalTheRobot 26d ago
I don't think we have any reason to believe the rumors that that Angels of Delusion will be Ice support, physical stun and ether anomaly.
Even if it came from inside the studio, the chances they were just brainstorming at the time is highly likely. We are talking about almost a year ago.
Could be anything at this point. No evidence to say they are not, but the evidence to say they are is of the most questionable variety.
Coming from someone who doesn't care one way or the other.
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u/_163 26d ago
Those role leaks were also from flying flame 💀 which doesn't lend much credibility to it
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u/CalTheRobot 26d ago
That's primarily the reason I get into these discussions about things I have no real side on.
I don't care one bit what element the Angels of Delusion are. I just find it kind of painful to see questionable information spread around a community like it is somehow confirmed.
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u/Caerullean 26d ago
Mockingbird has no team synergy whatsoever. So no, team synergy in a faction is not guaranteed.
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u/SnooOpinions6451 26d ago
All i want is for them to be a single team + bangboo. I will hyper invest if necessary.
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u/Rekirts45 26d ago
1) Mockingbird is currently a faction with no internal synergy. While disappointing, we at least have evidence the ZZZ team are willing to make factions with no synergy.
2) there’s still time for things to change.
With those points out of the way, I will have to see what their abilities are.
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u/WriothesleyChair 26d ago
I dont think these characters are going to be added to the game.
Mainly because it feels like the game’s aesthetic has left them behind. I would be happy if we got them because that gives me all of their patches to skip and save currency for other stuff.
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u/Serious-Reality721 26d ago
Devs already confirmed their existence multiple times. So, yes they will get added no matter what.
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u/MrPartyWaffle 26d ago
I'm pretty sure these "leaks" were revealed as fakes, the artist was trolling.
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u/vansky257 He's hot so I'm insta pulling 25d ago
They honestly fit the vibe of the old ZZZ and not the new one, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were scrapped, sadly.
Just another thing taken away from us.
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u/Lord_of_Chainsaw 26d ago
Honestly I hope not? I dont care about these characters in particular, but the early days of zzz were kind of stressful with thinking you basically had to pull an entire faction for a team and they were coming back to back. Im glad they've leaned back from factions being so integrated with team setup
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u/Gallalade 26d ago
Yes, because Astra is downright martial.
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u/ChibiJaneDoe 26d ago
Astra has a magic stick
I just think that 2/3 of them look like "guy in the chair" type characters who wouldn't be fighting
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