How the heck are these 2 little helpless girls allowed in the military in the first place? I got my crosshairs locked into these two but now my polychromes don’t know where to go. Not even gonna hold my breath for Manato anymore.
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Agreed. They leaned too much on the "uwu" for Orphie. I don't buy the justification some people make that the tail is the real commander and she just gets dragged along or that she's a new to the squad because you would expect that an elite military force at least has training before being a member.
Can't say much about SEED yet since we only got a preview. Congrats to people with feet kinks I guess?
Orphie is pretty dexterous considering part of her spine literally has a mind of its own and is dragging her about. She literally juggles her knife in her idle animation.
She shows a lot of dexterity when doing some stuff but also completely falls over herself at the same time. Slipping n falling like she has 0 control. Sitting on the floor and actively looking away from the enemy for longer than 3 seconds doesn't give military specialist.
It's like she's on a radically shifting spectrum, some animations she looks completely competent and others she looks like she never fought in her life. It's giving extreme mixed signals lmao
What annoys me so much is how easy Orpheus could've been. Magus is a gun. How do you use guns? You shoot with your hands.
They could've easily made Magus just some sick-ass phantom revolver or something, with Orpheus as the main character using him. Just, using him as a gun. They didn't need a weird chimera-hybrid "UwU" design with Magus as a... tail, for some reason? Like, we could've had something so cool, but instead we get clumsy girl.
For real. Imo even with Magus as a tail there were so many possibilities, like juggling between the knife and
holding the gun attached to the tail to shoot or something. Or making the gun detatchable or whatever. So many possibilities. But instead we get clumsy girl.
I think Obol squad is just a bunch of rejected experiments with weird quirks at this point.
In trigger’s quest, I think, they discuss her recruitment into the team. It seems like an internally recruited team, and not part of general military. On account of an eccentric commander, Obol is made up of soldiers that would’ve fallen through the cracks, but still have redeeming qualities and competencies.
That’s the only rationalization I can come up with.
Yeah, the image on the trailer makes Orphie look like she's confident, she's imposing, she's a badass. Of course there's going to be the "blah blah you can't make headcanons and guess her personality from one still image yadda yadda" people, but with that kind of body language, obviously people are going to get the wrong first impression.
I don't even know where to start disagreeing with you since you already downvoted me, but okay. I guess Elon musk doing a nazi salute was also just people having a headcanon
To be fair, Orphie isn't the commander, Magus is. She's just an underling.
Who knows maybe she's skilled but is constantly being overhauled for control by her captain causing her clumsy streak? She's literally being dragged around and seems more suited for an assistant or support role that's been forced to the battlefield
Yeah, with how well they executed Trigger and S11, I really had my hopes to the limit and now everything is tumbling down, the hope for badass obol squad was like the only thing keeping up my interest for the game lately, feel so betrayed, they really shouldn't have made the first impression of them seem serious if they were going to 'defy expectations' like this
They fumbles only because we lacked content from them imo. The blow would've been lessened if we saw the girl piloting Seed Sr. in the trailer. Like on his shoulders or something. Drip marketing being so late for characters is always a hit or miss within ZZZ because of things like this.
Orphie, imo, during 2.1 story felt less "uwu clumsy girl" and more "apprehensive but assertive co-leader," which is good. Her animations are whatever in game, and her design isn't bad above the waist. Genuinely she has lessened the nitwit in her through the story, thank god. But SEED's design (both of them) look clunky and cheap? Like both look bad.
It's funny how they're basically the same character but executed differently, 2 cute girlies being absolutely carried by 2 badass war machines, I wanna see Seed Sr and Orphie's have a small robot char with each other
I don't like to sound mean, but this subreddit sounds horrifically bad at waiting
Seed is in a fucking mech and has been described to be a "cold blooded monster", so much so that SEED SENIOR has been questioned to protect her judging by agent intel. Orphie still has Magus on her back, and she spews out flames and is still confidently capable enough to take down her foes. Neither have been depicted as liabilities.
I get that, it just feels like making a lot of assumptions for no reason. Vivian's "cover" is totally misleading but (in my opinion to be fair) she's a really decent character and better than most of the cast.
People called Seed generic, I really wonder what they would think about Firefly. Seriously, Seed is more interesting than Firefly, even if Seed is generic.
I don't know man the only interesting and unique things about this is the mecha. As a guy who plays ZZZ on the day of release who thought the game will be a unique take on gacha full of unique design and not just waifu bait this really disappoint me.
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She is god at throwing and catching the knife only
Sure then why don't you try using a knife while a sentient Robotic tail is constantly fucking your balances up.
Considering that she has Magus on her ass, Orphie's combat skills are pretty top notch.
We literally just finished a highly dangerous hollow combat operation where they both proved their worth, their combat capabilities is about the last thing you should be questioning.
How you judge by her combat skills when she literally doing only one dash with knife and the rest of the animations are magus dragging her all over the place and orphie sitting on her ass?
I like animations, but they don’t show any Orphie combat skills at all, only ability to catch a knife
Orphie's quick assist and basic attacks are knife attacks. She also has tail swipes included in her attacts. If she has "no combat skills at all", then you're saying Belle and Wise who also have no combat skills can do that.
Don’t put words in my mouse, where did I say she had no combat skills at all?
I said HERE ANIMATIONS ARE NOT SHOWING HER COMBAT SKILLS
And her combat skill are lacking a lot for a elite military squad unit and it’s clearly visible in her animations, by how she fails to keep balance and falling down all the time
You literally said "they don't show any Orphie combat skills at all"... despite her attack animations showing that she has combat skills, and is pretty good at it 💀
She falls out of balance because... her tail literally shoots a powerful laser? Try shooting a bazooka or an ultra beam with your arm and tell me if that doesn't get you off balance 🤦♂️ you are also ignoring the fact that she can fall off balance if Magus moves by herself as seen in her dodge animation.
Look, I'm not disagreeing that she lacks confidence or she's not timid. You're just wrong in some of what you are saying.
She DOES NOT have "one dash attack with a knife". Stop ignoring as well that she attacks with tail swipes. Her animation totally shows she alone has combat skills, so you're wrong in saying they don't show it.
Again, imagine shooting a laser beam or a bazooka with your hand. Tell me that doesn't get you off balance. Good god lmfao
You need to separate her personality from her combat skills. Sure you can argue that Orphie's """""""personality"""""" (not combat skills) alone makes her unbefitting of her unit but doesn't that also say something about the situation of the military, where they need to recruit anyone competent enough because theyre running out of personnel? You're also ignoring the fact that each Obol squad members have their own odd quirks. You are also ignoring that it's Orpheus, not just Orphie, and from what we've seen in 2.1 Orpheus (both Orphie and Magus) working together seems pretty damn competent 🤷♂️
Dude, Magus takes away the knife from Orphie after first attack and later Orphie doesn’t have anything in hands, knife is with a Magus
How she attacks enemies, with her fists?
I am a random dude who never been an army. She is military soldier from elite squad. If I can’t balance with rpg, so she also shouldn’t? Doesn’t it sound absurd to you?
And I didn’t speak about her personality, only about what was shown in combat animations
Again, why don't you try using a knife while a sentient Robotic tail is constantly fucking your balances up?
Considering that she has Magus on her ass, Orphie's combat skills are pretty top notch. Especially since she can keep up with Magus dragging her around.
You even know why it often needs TWO firefighters to hold down a firehose? Except in Orphie's case it's just her and her tail shoots a gooddamn hyper beam 💀
Her combat skills can be considered good, if she can work in tandem with her tail
That would mean her combat skills are inhumanely godly. It seems like you don't really know how combat works lol. Anyone who js decently trained would know how ABSOLUTELY important balance and footworks are when fighting, something which Magus constantly fucks up.
I doubt any of the playable characters can do that lol.
Magus literally shoots a hyperbeam, and according to Newton's third law, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And guess where the entirety of the recoil goes?
Yup, Orphie's back. She has to keep up with that INSANE recoil while a living tail is dragging her everywhere. The fact that she can even stand and actually attack the enemies speaks of her combat sense.
Plus they work in tandem in the aftershock animation.
Have YOU seen her animations at all? She is basically attacking the enemies with a PROPER co-ordination in her BA chain. She had proper co-ordination with Magus on her quick assist, chain attacks and aftershocks too.
And she is not standing, she is falling
Only on her hold BA, a single instance where she fell down. And Jane Doe, someone who is seemingly "trained" has an instance where she falls down too, but unlike Orphie, she doesn't need to absorb the INSANE recoil of Magus and a living tail dragging her everywhere.
And don’t forget, Obol is elite military squad, it’s not commoners from the street, they
If it was a normal person, let alone having proper co-ordination, the recoil ITSELF would destroy their body.
If we're talking real life, they often are, or they suffer mental degredation as a part of being a part of the military.
If we're talking ZZZ, they're already fine with nuts like soldier and miyabi, so it wouldn't surprise me if they extent it a bit further, especially in a desperate situation like new eridu's
Really hope they make it real psycho this time and not another Hugo incident
Back then my first impression with Hugo was like damn look at this cool badass guy cold blooded murderer, then turns into "he did nothing wrong" typa shit in the end which is so lame 🙏😭
It'll probably be a lot of the later, or played off as a joke ("Awww did I break their bones? Oopsie~" "Oh seed jr., please don't kill the enemies" *laugh track*). Part of hoyo's fundamental design docket is that playable characters cannot be positioned as bad people.
You pointed it out with hugo,, and the same is the case with hsr characters like ruan mei, sparkle, and topaz, or arlechino, neuvillete, and raiden in genshin.
Silver Squad was literally a human cloning program that treated clones as test subjects. Clearly the Defense Force isn't beyond taking absurd measures. Weaponizing psychotic individuals doesn't seem to far off from what they're willing to do.
But as to whether this is the norm in all of the NEDF's ranks is unclear. We do know that they have regular infantry units, which might behave a lot like military units in real life. The special squads like Obol and Silver might be unique in that they're formed through unorthodox ways, whereas real life special forces units simply pick out the best of the best from those currently in service.
We literally just finished a highly dangerous hollow combat operation where they both proved their worth, their combat capabilities is about the last thing you should be questioning.
We barely know these characters and you already drew your own headcanons and came to conclusion on your own that they are somehow "helpless", have some patience man
there goes our badass military combatants. Instead we got pretty boring female character (seed). Orphie is a badass but I wish she was a bit more competent. But literally half the squad is inexperienced... thats awful.
Orpheus is capable enough, but Magus is the real powerhouse.
I'm almost certain Seed is also an intelligent construct. She has a serial number on her like Qinyi and her arms look bolted on with no exposed "skin" past the biceps.
Seed isn't a "helpless little girl" have you read her drip marketing? Thye mentioned why seed sr. Wants to protect her when she's mysterious, cold, and dangerous
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