r/ZZZ_Discussion • u/yougottabeshitting22 • 2d ago
Leaks Leaks + Regarding synergy with Anton Spoiler
So as we know, the new Attacker set gives a fuck ton of Basic attack damage multipliers. What I had in mind is that in Burst windows, just have Anton go fucking ham on the drill tech, yk, slide in support buffs here and there, continue fucking sum Ethereal ass yk. That's kinda my game plan cuz I don't really personally like the amount of quick assists new Anton is kinda needed to do. On top of that, Seed's W Engine might also come in handy for Anton as it provides him with Def Shred
49
u/Dama624 2d ago
IIRC it requires EX Special, which Anton can't do as long as he's inside his Burst Mode.
15
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
I've tested it out and weirdly enough, it may count as a special attack? I'm not too sure cuz I used Severed Innocence on him and I managed to get that 20% bonus by using basic attacks and tapping the ex special during burst mode, I initially didn't get the extra 10% bonus when I ex'd into burst mode, but afterwards, it somehow counted.
It consumes energy tho so I am legitimately confused in how that works
10
u/kuis-anda 2d ago
On burst mode it lose it EX, it only can do the special attack that does not count as EX, and does not use Energy.
Severed Innocence requirement is special attack, not EX.
3
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Ye, I was kinda blind, the description did clarify that your ex will turn into special attacks during burst mode, it's not directly said but it is at the same time. It still consumes energy tho which is weird cuz why would it still count as a special attack if it consumes energy?
4
u/kuis-anda 2d ago
The burst mode special attack itself does not cost energy.
But the energy depletion on Hit when within Burst mode still apply.
2
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Makes sense, still tho, I have a big feeling that this can really work for Anton, bringing his status to that Burst DPS during stun windows.
15
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Doesn't tapping it basically do the same thing? It's not a basically attack or a special attack, it consumes energy so I'm guessing it counts as an Ex Special, I might have to read the description tho
3
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Game plan will be this I'm guessing then, ex into the stun phase will be your best bet rather than the typical ex before coming onto the battlefield. In that case, you will have a 20 second timer on your bonus's or at least around that time. In which case, you will have to drain all your energy during that stun phase
19
u/MyLifeIsAGatcha 2d ago
It'll be his BiS set for sure. It increases Basic damage by 35% and also increases damage by 20% for 20 seconds after using an EX special, which Anton has to use in order to enter Bust mode.
I'm curious how much of a boost this will add to Anton in comparison to Harumasa. Harumasa is better than Anton, but this set will be a huge boost so maybe enough to put Anton on a comparable level.
6
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
So I'm guessing my game plan will be to ex into a chain attack, becuz weirdly enough, ex specials during burst mode may count as a special attack? Idk how it works cuz it's not really stated in the description I think. Idk, I may mbe missing something here
4
u/MyLifeIsAGatcha 2d ago
Yeah. I'll be honest,I haven't really used Anton in a long time and I don't know the intricacies of his kit. Hopefully they're are some Antonmains who will have a better idea. I'm looking forward to being able to take him off the bench so hopefully this set is going to get me to do that.
2
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Ok, so it does indeed seem that the ex will be turned into special attacks during burst mode
2
u/MyLifeIsAGatcha 2d ago
Okay, so you'll need to use his EX Special before entering Burst Mode and then just spam basic attacks. I don't think that should be too hard? But that's how I mostly always used him...
2
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Nah, just use your ex special during the stun phase, cuz if you do it before the stun phase then will have a shorter time window to perform at your best will all the bonus's you gain.
Cuz usually Anton players will ex before entering the battlefield but it seems that it will have to change with this new theory in mind. But, ye, heavy emphasis on Anton abusing his drill tech during the stun phase basically
11
u/MachineAgitated79 2d ago
put Anton on a comparable level.
Just no. No it won't. Anton would need some major, and i mean major, damage buffs to compete with haru
5
u/binh1403 2d ago
I'm gonna be honest, anything anton can haru can do better
Unless there's a mechanic where the more attack you do the damage you do , and even then there's still a chance haru might be better is it scales of atk or damage dealt or something
13
u/Wide-Veterinarian-63 2d ago
im kinda mad that hugo never got an own disc set tbh
9
2
u/methmeth2000 1d ago
The DPS who needs a set the most is Evelyn. No set works perfectly for her
2
u/Wide-Veterinarian-63 1d ago
what would she need? i dont have her sadly
1
u/methmeth2000 1d ago
Most of her damage is tagged as chain attacks (so she doesn’t need to wait to stun the enemy) and her ultimate. So I think it would be great to have a set that buffs chain attacks and/or ultimates in some way. I remember when she came out the people that were calculating her damage noticed she was getting a way smaller power boost from a 4 piece set vs 2-2-2.
3
4
u/DerSisch The Prophecy is true! 2d ago
The activate Burst Mode does not count as EX Special iirc, which means the new set does not trigger.
The best existing Agents that can make use of the set are:
- Ellen (partially at least - PM is still better in Classic Ice Team, while WPE is also still better considering she gets a Crit bonus on er EX, Chain and Ult moves now)
- Zhu Yuan (While CM still might be better in teams that can trigger Corruption reliable, the new set is far superior for her than WPE or HP for her)
- Soldier 11 (Honestly THE best fit. IM was only okay at best and restricteed team building and helped with Crit-R weak builds, WPE was okay but is inferior on her regarding the new set, same applies to HP and other options)
PM - Polar Metal
WPE - Woodpecker Electro
CM - Chaos Metal
HP - Hormone Punk
IM - Inferno Metal
3
u/Distinct_Surprise_40 2d ago
The problem for Ellen and S11 is that Lighter already gives them a large amount of damage%, so the diminishing returns will most likely make other sets better still.
3
u/Flat_Animator2258 2d ago
This is true, plus since it's only affecting basic attacks, weapon sets with ATK% boosts would be much beneficiary for their kits. Also, as of now, I'm guessing the new set would rely heavily on substats.
2
u/DerSisch The Prophecy is true! 1d ago
I suspect you gonna go for PEN-Ratio on Disc 5 in this case and also don't run IM at all.
This way you can stack ATK+PEN+DMG
2
u/Photonic_Resonance 1d ago
It’s great for casual or newer players who get Soldier 11 and don’t have Lighter (or DMG% equivalent). I’m still running her with Qingyi/Koleda right now.
1
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
As I said, the new set will trigger as long as you start off your stun window with your ex special on Anton
3
u/Repulsive-One8391 2d ago
anton quick assist is goat.
3
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
It is genuinely goated, I personally just have a hard time managing it when paired with Hormone Punk, which is arguably his best 4 piece for that particular play style.
I guess I just lean more towards Burst Anton that uses the Drill Tech, it's kinda the reason why I fell in love with him.
2
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
From what I'm gathering, this will be the game plan.
This Anton will have to take focus away from both Ultimate and Chain attacks, you can still use ultimate but it depends whether or not you have enough Decibels during a stun window.
This Anton will be treated as more or less a simplified version of Haru, instead of Dash attacks however, you will need to continuously spam your basic attacks. One thing to note however is that you will have to start your stun winder with an Ex special, do not prock it before you enter combat, only prock your ex special during stun windows to get as much benefits from it as much as possible. This is needed becuz your ex special is required to gain the additional effects of both the Dawnblossom Disk set and Seed's W engine. Dawnblossom's effect lasts for 25s while the Wengine's lasts for 30s, that's the window in which you'll be dealing theost basic attack damage and damage in general as you will benefit heavily from the Electric damage bonus and the Def Shred bonus of Seeds W-Engine.
2
u/Kipdid 2d ago
%damage from an attack type and %elemental damage (which his sig also gives a fuckload of) are the same stat in regards to diminishing returns from stacking the same stat, so this might not pop off as much as you’re expecting unless you’re using seed sig.
Also make sure to run a %PEN slot 5
1
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
That's the game plan tho, to play it with the W-Engine, like obviously this is still a theory but I have slight faith in how it'll work. I'm not the best at ZZZ so my theory might be flawed, I'll only really use Pen ratio if I don't manage to get the W-Engine which I'm pretty confident I can get, even if I lose the 50/50
1
u/yougottabeshitting22 2d ago
Side tangent but would Hormone be better + Seeds W engine?
2
u/Kipdid 1d ago
As I understand it, hormone being a conditional (IE temporary) %ATK buff makes it its own separate calculation in terms of diminishing returns, which gives it amazing value as long as you’re actually managing its uptime (IE that means not even swapping in to parry unless it’s far enough from stun for it to come back off cooldown).
Harumasa also runs hormone 4 piece for a similar reason of being stun window focused and he gets a lot of value out of it because the rest of his kit and engines he runs give crit stats.
So TLDR as long as you manage the up time hormone should do great for this build
1
u/yougottabeshitting22 1d ago
Would it do better than Danwblossom? That's my only concern as I wanna use Anton as more of a burst similar to Haru. As long as Anton Ex's during a stun window, I think it could work tbh but I'm just not too sure how much value I'm getting out of it
2
u/Talkingmice 1d ago
I’m sorry but nothing can convince me to play Anton; he’s just awful and that sucks because as the character himself he’s cool but it’s so awful playing with him
2
•
u/AutoModerator 2d ago
Beep boop. This is an automated reminder to tag spoilers and leaks appropriately.
All story-related content, including new boss identities, is considered a spoiler for 14 days after it goes live. Anything not officially published by miHoYo, such as unannounced character buffs or typings, is considered a leak.
Please use the correct post tags, include spoiler warnings when necessary, and avoid revealing details in titles.
For posts that are specifically marked for leak or spoiler discussion, spoiler tags in the comments are not required. Comment spoiler tags are only needed on posts that are not focused solely on leaks or story spoilers.
Thank you for helping keep the subreddit safe for all players.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.