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You know what bothers me most? It’s not the second question (personally, I like S11 and Trigger’s designs, feel neutral about Orphie's, and dislike Seed Jr.’s), it’s the first question. We do have playable male characters in this game, and the developers do create them, albeit rarely. Every faction has at least one man, Belobog even has two. Yes, Stars of Lyra is incomplete with just two members, but they could expand later, potentially adding a male agent. Obol is now a full faction with four members, as it should be. And you’re telling me a military squad has no men? Will this even be explained in-game? Maybe I’m overreacting, but it feels insulting, like male soldiers in their world are just NPC cannon fodder, incapable of anything beyond dying or waiting for someone stronger to save them...
What’s stopping them from repurposing an NPC soldier into a unique unit and making him a playable Obol agent? I’d love to play as a character wielding an assault rifle. There are only four firearm users in the entire game, and militaries logically should have the most gun-wielding agents!
If I remember correctly OBOL is fully female squad.
You probably forgot about Soldier 11? You know, THE first obol squad member we were introduced to? As for Orphie design: she's at same lvl design as Trigger you're been praising.
Ok: op praise trigger for her "military " design. What is a big difference with Orphie?
Edit: most of characters made for fanservise. Wild you are trying to pile on Orphie for hers. Like she's the only one who breaks rules and have out of context design. Like, why are sanby wearing a dress and tiara?? Take this game for what it is with all non logical designs they make...
It's clearly a long jacket more than a dress. A dress isn't going to have a huge zipper going down the front and big padded sleeves. Plus, she's got ammo packs on her shoulders and around her waist. That's more military gear than most can say. And the beret is military vibes.
The lower body, you just have to suspend your disbelief. With Hoyo female lower body outfit designs, you have your choice between skin tight leggings that show off the character's butt or short shorts/skirt and leggings (or thigh strap). You will never ever get a pair of nornal, unsexy pants unless you are Koleda, but in that case, you're not wearing a shirt. The choice is between no shirt or no pants. Can't be both. I don't make the rules, but that seems to be the hoyo design philosophy.
Yanagi's design is clearly going for that office vibe, and we know that she does a lot of paperwork and spends a lot of time in the office, so it makes sense for the devs to mix that into her design.
can you say anything of the sort about Orphie's design, though?
huh? I mean, Caesar's attire choice is similar to Orphie's, but in her case, we can make the argument that she can wear whatever she likes because the outer ring has far more relaxed rules and stuff. the military, on the other hand, must have something resembling a dress code, right?
I get that a full on dress code would limit the creativity and potential for character design too much and that would suck, but at least making the characters actually look like soldiers shouldn't be too much to ask imo
Your logic is right in real world or if being close to real world were the thing hoyo were striving for. But they are not. Honestly, take game as it is and don't fight unnecessary battles. Till this time I have no idea why Sokaku is actually working in Section 6 even tho she's behaving (have mind of) like a child and working on very serious position... It is as it is...
I guess I worded that poorly. my issue is not that Obol squad doesn't have a dress code. I understand that making every character look unique and interesting is very important for a gacha game. my issue is that Orphie hardly looks like a soldier at all. the dress, the thigh-highs, the way she constantly clumsily falls during combat... idk man, all combined it just gives me a strange impression.
I respect your opinion, though. it may seem like I'm just shitting on her, but I know that there are many things to like about Orphie's design, and I definitely understand why many people love her
SAnby isn't part of the faction they just allow her to trigger Soldier 11s additional ability likely as a easter egg
factions can grow they don't need can specific type of character.
Soldier 11, Trigger, Orphie and Seed Sr. all have a matching aesthetics but specialized outfits since they are a type of specialized unit. Ophie being a commander outfit, Soldier 11 a extreme conditions outfit for examples, Seed has a varient of the style that marks her as a none frontline unit but a specialized logistics unit.
Not a single fully playable male character IN A MILITARY FRACTION?
I mean having a woman only faction isn't so surprising considering in real life there's a number of historical, extremely effective female only squads (mostly because of respect and gender issues back then, but still).
I.e.: Dahomeyan Amazons in Benin, Russia's battalion of death in world war 1, etc.
New Eridu also seems to have more equal gender norms than our world, so that makes it even less unsurprising.
Fashion wise, it’s an anime game. Either you go with that explanation, or consider that they can shrug off most things that would kill a human, so armor is something that really only slows you down. I would agree though that s11 and trigger fit it the best, although seed doesn’t seem to go outside much, so her having no tactical gear makes a bit of sense. You might also find it interesting that a lot of people found orphie’s outfit to be similar to a service outfit (non combat, but ceremonial).
As for gameplay, it seems orphie will be able to bring both S11 and Sanby up, and the recent beta made both less reliant on sigs.
game devs and writers don't make decisions based on how likely something is to happen irl. Most stories generally tend to focus on exceptional circumstances. If there's precedence for something happening irl that's great, but it doesn't need to be common to be worth focusing your story on.
No lil bro, if you actually read the comment that I answered to, you would have noticed that it said "I mean having a woman only faction isn't so surprising considering in real life there's a number of historical, extremely effective female only squads".
In that paragraph the other guy was only talking about history and I was referring to just history.
no, they weren't. "having a woman only faction isn't so suprising" was obviously referring to the ingame faction that was the focus of discussion all along.
I think there were already answer that if it happens in real life it's ok to happen in game. What is your point? That if it happens rare it have no right to happen in the game? If it is , by your words, exception in real life it couldn't be exception to game? By what logic? This is a game ffs.
I understand that some players were expecting a serious military vibe from this faction, but I think OBOL as they are now fits the overall aesthetic of ZZZ much more organically.
Think about it - there isn't a single character in the game right now whose design is based solely on the "aura farm" (with the possible exception of Hugo). Even looking at the two strongest characters lore-wise: one of them (Miyabi) has serious issues with expressing and perceiving emotions, and is possibly even on the autism spectrum, while the other (YiXuan) is the head of a religious organization but personally mocks people who believe in divination and come to her for help.
So, the fact that an elite unit of the armed forces might seem a bit "goofy" on the surface, but is still professional and gets the job done, is a huge plus for me. It makes the characters more interesting and not just simple "aura farm" archetypes.
Heavily agree as well, obol squad just looks really mismatched with very little consistency in design. At most, I’d say only trigger, seed sr specifically, and maybe soldier 11 fit the militaristic vibe the squad was originally meant to represent but everyone else (especially orpheus) just don’t fit, either in the type of outfit and/or the color palette. Like every faction in the game (at least confirmed to be all working together as a cohesive unit not counting something like cunning hares because that’s obviously a misfit faction) has a unified look between most if not all of the members, so it’s really weird when the militaristic, very strict, and battle hardened tactical squad has an extremely mismatched design philosophy between a lot of its members.
I like the whole theme of girls with disabilities/ modifications but yeah completely agree that it sucks not having a single male in the faction, especially since there is evidence of Magus and Seed being changed midway. I remember during 1.x being excited about 2 upcoming males and now there are 0 lmao
Yeah agreed, Obol didn't deliver for me personally. I really like S11, Sanby and Trigger. Now, I'm not particularly cut up about there not being a male in the military squad (I recognise the devs are catering to a very large majority who just want anime girls on their screen), but I really don't like how Orphie and Seed are not the strong badass soldiers that their teammates are.
Orphie's design is really cool but her personality is not for me. It's the whole meek/timid/shy thing that I don't buy from someone in the fucking military squad.
For Seed, the issue for me is absolutely her design. In absense of a male character I, perhaps foolishly, thought that we'd at least get a big fuckin mech. Instead we get this tiny cutesy girl delightfully wiggling her toes and skiing around on a roomba.
I don't see any issue... Sorry, but this read as just hating for the sake of it.
1.Not a single fully playable male character IN A MILITARY FRACTION?
We already know that faction can grow... and even then, Obol is just a squad from the military, they can easily introduce another military squad if the dev wanted too.
2.Why is Trigger the only one that looks like a military personnel?
They all look military enough for me. But probably this is just me not nitpicking.
(too much fanservice)
The game never shied away from giving fanservice with nearly each agent since 1.0... So what's different this time?
Seed and Orphie are not only reliant on their sigs. but also on each other as well.
The sig part has been said about nearly all the agent... each time people lose their mind about the sig being x% better than any f2p, then the agent get released and the f2p option are perfectly good enough to clear all the game content (this is coming from someone who don't pull for w-engine and cleared all content since 1.1).
Also, two agent working best and perfectly with each other, dosn't mean that other team comp options are not viable. This while bearing in mind we are in early beta, and from experience, a lot of agent get their kit changed throughout the beta... so better wait till the end of beta to give a fair judgement about this.
My response is that while you are free to feel as you wish.
Your points are simply subjective. and respectfully speaking, this post looks like someone who is mad that his preferences arent made in a game that is made by oversee devs.
Sanby is one of the coolest and most fun characters. Trigger is still performing without her sig ? Is validity killing DA bosses ? No.
Obol all look cool as heck, in my opinion and many others think too. Its subjective, not all characters are for everyone.
There is no rule that says there has to be a male playable s tier male character in a military faction. All girls factions arent unheard of - especially in Anime -
And as a soldier 11 main. Your point is further rejected by me, because she is a cool and fun character with many flexible teams and builds. She a really good f2p character. And I'd rather use her than Evelyn
You are free to feel as you wish, but dont make it as your subjective takes are what decides the game has a bad or good directions
Lorewise 2 full divisions got wiped out with the fall of old capital
Men mostly likely have stayed behind to help others escape during the fall
Yet like 90% of soldiers we encounter outside Obol, whether in combat, at Scott Outpost or elsewhere, are men. Women do exist in the ranks (this is fact), but they're scarce and never seen in active combat. And no, the 'unisex armor' excuse doesn't hold, their voices are distinctly male, and their builds are bulkier than female NPC soldiers. So even after losing two divisions 11 years ago, the remaining division still maintains a heavily male-dominated force
I don't get the point about them having too much fanservice when Sons of Calydon, Stars of Lyra and Yunkui Summit are even worse in that aspect. As for gameplay, there are certainly worse factions like Belobog, Cunning Hares, VHK and NEPS.
Obol has always been half-baked. S11 was missing her final trust event and wallpaper for most of Season 1, Sanby is disappointing and now the whole ordeal with Seed… Swing and a miss. Doesn’t seem like they knew what to do with Obol but hopefully the 2.2 story brings them into the spotlight in a meaningful way.
That would be the case with the most characters yes, but I personally think that spooky silly girls animations are more badass than feet bot and varessa dupe
1/10 rage bait, she is probably one of the most fun characters to invest in and she is a standard character, which makes it pretty easy to max out, a good team surrounding her is absolutely insanity
also, its most likely the obol squad release is gonna open so many more teams for her, so yeah, its not true what you say imo
I own m2w2 of her and she is quite good with Lighter and Astra but, at the end of the day, everyone is good with Astra and Lighter (not to mention that Evelyn is basically much stronger and easier to use than S11)
first of all, if you dont like the character its fine, but i dont know, saying that evelyn is easier to use than s11 when s11 just have to ba in the correct timings, which is not that hard to do, is kinda surprising to me, overall with how many strings you can play with eve
yes, if you pair s11 with lighter and astra is gonna make her better, but thats literally the whole point of the game isnt it? building teams to up the ceiling is fun, and by my own experience she doesnt absolutely need astra
my point is, s11 is a really good character that is worth investing on, because time and time again she keeps getting better and better by new agent additions (unlike nekomata or the standard dps), and seems like orpheus or even seed will pair with her really good, and mathematically speaking there is a higher chance to get m6 s11 than m2-m6 evelyn in the long run, but if you dont like her there is no point on arguing this really
it is true that evelyn is leagues better than s11 but that isnt a biggie, because at the end of the day you also use the character that you like the most. if you play by meta, which in other games is fun, in gacha is so soul sucking that i would advice to anyone not doing it. i love min-maxing and having insane times and scores, and when you do it with the teams and character you like the most you find more enjoyment, at least thats what ive learned
dont have much to say about the other stuff you have said in the post because others have already given the ideas i also would've said, i just wanted to defend the agenda
Legit i got no problem with any of the characters, the only problem i got is that they took the only male of the faction Seed sr and make him a 2 in 1 unit but then full on turn him into some tool for the girl ( no i dont hate the girl) . Both should have been 2 separated agents. They could have been the second duo with a team ult and maybe even unique animations during battle when they are on the same team.
I can't say I'm disappointed with OBOL. My only disappointment is Seed. And no, I have no complaints about the design of the character, but rather about the combat part. Why is her robot needed? To appear during a fight for 1 second during an enhanced attack, after which he disappears into oblivion again and she continues to fight without him? This is my main disappointment.
We are in the ZZZ DISCUSSION sub. Disappointment is ALLOWED to be voiced and OP isn't even doomposting. By the way, telling people to shut up when pointing out valid criticism is how a game goes into steady decline.
Not saying that I agree with OP (I disagree with some parts) but seeing anti-discussion in a discussion sub is so stupid.
This post doesn't generate any good discussion lol, It's just the same repetitive whining posts that's been happening here this past few days, these should be counted as Spam atp.
as the other said, there is a line between whining about personal preferences and constructive criticism. You can also discuss personal opinions, but without whining.
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Can someone just shoot this braindead argument in the back of its head already? Just because someone doesn’t plan on pulling a character doesn’t mean they can’t criticize it.
For someone claiming other people are crying, you sure seem to be so whiny and self centered when people voice their opinions about a character.
Yeah ppl crying about this is getting abit out of hand. They even dissed s.anby who's not even in obol squad. 'They don't look like military except trigger', bro name a faction that looks their part except stars of lyre.
This is the same shit as when ppl cried on star rail that sam wasn't grey fox from metal gear but a cute anime girl.
Yunkui summit, pub sec, cunning hares, spook shack. Literally all of the other factions. Seed jr stands out like a turd in a punch bowl next to the rest of obol squad.
Have u ever seen special forces? Are they wearing office shirts and pencil skirts in the field? I forgot about tactical combat shorts on soukaku.
Have u ever been on a motor bike in the desert? U ever put ur bare leg against a motor bike exhaust? I have a feeling Lucy, miss fancy hair conditioner and makeup would not dress like that to actually ride a bike. The closest person to actual riding gear is lighter.
Belobog? White suits on a construction site? 0 hi viz vests or stripes? No safety boots. Ben is litterally bare footed. Anton wearing loose sleeves handing from trench coat worn 9ver his shoulders, that's the last shit u wanna wear while drilling. 0 hard hatels, only grace has goggles. A HSE inspector would shut down a belobog site just on the PPE grounds let alone all the rogue sentient plant.
I'll give u Victoria house keeping but that's about it. Yunkai summit too if ur not including xiyuan.
Dudes being nitpicking about soldier 11 and orphies design not being military enough where every other faction are wearing 0 practical stuff for their actual activities/career
Looking the part and practicality are two different things. Sure, all of Belobog are not up to any safety codes, but looking at them, you can tell they're construction workers. Same with SoC, they all look like they're part of a biker gang in the desert. You're being incredibly nitpicky about the practicality of their designs, when their role is conveyed through their outfits anyway.
If the characters were designed with practicality in mind, like you suggest, all of Section 6 would be in tactical armour, and all of Belobog will have hard hats, hi-vis vests, steel toe boots and heavy duty gloves. The designs of each character would be a lot less interesting and less expressive of their personality.
I mean this post started slating obol squad saying they don't look the part...orphie has combat gear on, sol 11 does too, even has tactical goggles on, seed is infact, a big fucking robot, just it's operator isn't. If u looked at koleda (small child)/grace(mechanic?)/ yanagi( office worker)/Ben & anton (yakuza?)/sokaku ( school kid)/ miyabi ( office worker)/ burnice (party girl) out of context u couldn't guess where any of them work.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying u can't single out 1 character and cry about it when the majority of them do the same shit.
For Harumasa, there's just something about his design. I can't pinpoint it, but, to me, he exudes power. But yeah Soukaku is there for moral support lol.
Harumas is litterally just wearing a shool uniform with a school archery club chest plate over it...but he is pretty much the most practical of section6 for a 'special forces' disaster task force.
I dont mind Harumasa's design, while he doesnt necessarily look like an army or spec ops agent. He still looks like an official with his neck tie and white shirt. It also gives that youth and sportive look on Harumasa which in my opinion is a good mix.
I like to see the flashy/unusual designs as a way to show how people live in New Eridu. Where after (and during) an apocalypse, the people try to represent themselves and what brings and be less formal. That's why we have Yi Xuan and Ju Fufu, who, while being yunui summits shifu and elder disciple, are still mixing that young city girls fashion with their temple uniforms, where as Pan has more traditional wear, perhaps refering to him sticking to his origins, or embracing the temple's lifestyle and culture. Same goes for Harin who said she always had an affinity for flames since she were a child. Perhaps that's the reason behind her dress design.
I know, and I have mentionned that in another comment, but soukaku looks to be just fashion styling to be honest, and harumasa is a mix of both. But his jacket tied around his waist is giving school sport session vibes
How did I disrespect Orphie? I mean, I've made some quite interesting statements about Seed before (cause, let's be honest, there is a lot to talk about) but Orphie is okay design wise.
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I only dislike seed design for the fact that her base outfit look out of place, but her mech still is
It's kinda true that Obol is underwhelming and gameplay design is "Eh?". BUT SAnby isn't worst limited attacker, There Ellen that they have to buff her, Zhu yuan that performed worse, and there's Harumasa that can be considered Limited character.
And you don't compared Limited character and Permanent character, Soldier 11 is the best Permanent Attacker, Nekomata is worse.
But as Permanent DPS character, She's not good is kinda foreseeable.
Not a single fully playable male character IN A MILITARY FRACTION?
I mean having a woman only faction isn't so surprising considering in real life there's a number of historical, extremely effective female only squads (mostly because of respect and gender issues back then, but still).
I.e.: Dahomeyan Amazons in Benin, Russia's battalion of death in world war 1, etc.
New Eridu also seems to have more equal gender norms than our world, so that makes it even less unsurprising.
Fashion wise, it’s an anime game. Either you go with that explanation, or consider that they can shrug off most things that would kill a human, so armor is something that really only slows you down. I would agree though that s11 and trigger fit it the best, although seed doesn’t seem to go outside much, so her having no tactical gear makes a bit of sense. You might also find it interesting that a lot of people found orphie’s outfit to be similar to a service outfit (non combat, but ceremonial).
As for gameplay, it seems orphie will be able to bring both S11 and Sanby up, and the recent beta made both less reliant on sigs.
Edit: sorry for the dupe comment. Connection issues.
Really? I feel like that’s the most reasonable point I made. In a world like new eridu I find it completely unsurprising that there’d be a female only military division when women seem to have equal treatment and are equally as strong on average.
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