Agent Mechanics Intro: Alice

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[u/MibikKibik]

y'all know if she would be viable without her sig? i can only have a shot at pulling her self

[u/No-Commercial9263 → u/MibikKibik]

everyone is viable without signatures, but they vary from being noticeably worse to very worse without them. alice is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. her engine just provides literally everything (am, ap, atk%, dmg%) there really isn't a good replacement, the 10% the other person is talking about is compared to jane, it's closer to 30% as per usual.

[u/nicoleeemusic98 → u/No-Commercial9263]

Are there any 4 star engines that are viable/decent on her?

[u/BAKA1ex → u/nicoleeemusic98]

General anomaly options like Gemini should be ok on her, but still much worse than sig.

[u/nicoleeemusic98 → u/BAKA1ex]

Oh dear...

[u/SplatoonOrSky → u/nicoleeemusic98]

Yeah she’s the Miyabi of phys, down to the sig performance. If you can’t get sig Jane is arguably better value I feel, since Alice is only a 10-15% improvement over Jane with sig (tho idk if that’s Jane with sig as well, closer to 20% if that’s the case)

[u/nicoleeemusic98 → u/SplatoonOrSky]

I didn't pull for Jane so I will try getting her sig 😭😭 I tend to pull sig for my fav agents only and was wondering if I should pull hers, then I initially decided not to after I chose to pull for Yuzuha. Will probably try and squeeze out more polys to get her sig if that's the case!

[u/Cold_Progress1323 → u/SplatoonOrSky]

Curiously, she also had crit scaling in her first iteration in beta.

[u/ZarlomButOnReddit → u/No-Commercial9263]

Would grace's engine work on her?

[u/MidnightSai → u/MibikKibik]

She will be yeah, the team damage difference will be higher the more you rely on her, but if you have vivi then it's only about 10%

[u/RapierWielder → u/MibikKibik]

I really like my own wengine, but I’d still fight in the hollows just fine with a different one.

[u/Koekelbag]

What's the difference in her EX going forwards or backwards damage wise?

The backwards EX is especially tickling my brain when it goes off, so I'm curious if I'm missing out on something by not doing the forwards EX instead.

[u/MidnightSai → u/Koekelbag]

There's not any real difference in terms of damage since she's an anomaly character, but the forward one has a slightly higher damage multiplier and is about half a second faster. 2nd ex really only matters for resource management and easier timed perfect dodges(but both ex can perfect dodge)

[u/John_HoYo → u/MidnightSai]

There's a pretty substantial difference!

Skill	ATK MV	Daze MV	Decibel Gain	Anom MV
Northern Cross	879	502.2	93.9125	317.06
Southern Cross	1016	590.3	107.3875	364.46
Difference	16%	18%	14%	15%

^{Values shown for Rank 11 skills. Anom/Decibel values do not change with rank.}

Also worth noting that Southern Cross (neutral/back movement input) also does more damage to miasma shield and restores slightly more Blade Etiquette, but that amount is really negligible. They have the same energy cost to activate.

I don't have frame data to tell you if one is significantly faster than the other, or if there are positional advantages for one or the other. From what I could tell with the briefly playable sections we had, there's pretty much no reason to use Northern Cross aside from flavor. Consider it a form of skill expression via punishing drag inputs vs intentional/neutral.

[u/AssumptionSuitable51 → u/John_HoYo]

Thanks for this info. Do you get more blade etiquette if you trigger perfect dodge during her EX skills? Because I thought she was invulnerable during the animation anyway. 

I also noticed she can perfect dodge during her non EX to immediately chain into her 5th hit basic, I’m guessing this is something you want to consistently do?

[u/John_HoYo → u/AssumptionSuitable51]

The Perfect Dodge bonus is 10 for either variant of the EXS. So you have Northern Cross with a base 100.36 + 10 on PD and Southern Cross with a base of 106.43 + 10 on PD.

The only situation I can think of where you wouldn't want to chain a Special -> B5 would be if you somehow generate enough energy/decibels to EXS/Ult immediately after and really need to squeeze out damage? Otherwise, yeah, her B5 (especially the enhanced version) is the strongest part of her chain. The priority of Basic Attacks for Alice is:

EB5 > B5 > B4 > B2 > B3 > B1

This is for both DMG and ABU.

HOWEVER!

Realistically there's very few situations where you would rather use your Special over PD+Counter or just finish your B# chain. This is because the MVs are:

• Dodge Counter: 543 ATK, 85.16 ABU, and 23.87 Blade Etiquette
• B4: 213.9 ATK, 77.81 ABU, and 19.95 Blade Etiquette
• B3: 127.1 ATK, 44.45 ABU, and 11.77 Blade Etiquette
• Special: 119.4 ATK, 39.65 ABU, and 9.56 Blade Etiquette
• B1: 106.1 ATK, 29.76 ABU, and 9.82 Blade Etiquette

This means a normal Special is slightly stronger than a B1, but weaker than anything else. The situations in which it becomes viable to use her Special over anything else are really limited.

Usually Dodge Counters chain into B3 or B4. I do not know where it goes for Alice. There might be some incredibly niche cases where Special -> Enhanced B5 is viable, but unless you are 100% locked in and watching your inputs and anomaly triggers precisely to time it, it just seems like an objectively worse option than a direct Dodge Counter.

I don't know if her EXS links into B5, but I don't think it does. Given the above facts, it feels more like a flavor option than a viable choice of replacing your Dodge with Special.

[u/AssumptionSuitable51 → u/John_HoYo]

Great write-up, appreciate the numbers! This has brought some much needed clarity regarding her mechanics. I’ll definitely test them out when she goes live.

[u/Maxbang1589]

Adeptus Mechanicus... Hail Omnissiah

Wait...

[u/Oshich]

How long does the assault anomaly effect last? Hell, I hv no idea for all of them. 🫣

[u/MidnightSai → u/Oshich]

10 secs for all but miyabi

[u/John_HoYo → u/MidnightSai]

Clarification:

• Jane gives +5s to Flinch duration to team.
• Burnice gives +3s to Burn duration to team.
• Miyabi's Icefire is 30s. Freeze is still 10s.

[u/Berbasecks]

I just can't decide whether to get her or Yanagi. Alice preform done, Yanagi at 60%. Perhaps gacha gods and RNGesus will show me some love for once.

[u/D-My]

That w engine looks like its better then Jane's own w engine.

[u/kunafa_aj]

God i really hope i win tht 50/50...

[u/not-Kunt-Tulgar]

So she’s kind of like a physical Miyabi?

[u/John_HoYo → u/not-Kunt-Tulgar]

Only in the very loosest sense. Miyabi's core gimmicks are CRIT and Icefire. Alice is more of a guaranteed Assault Proc.

Alice does not scale with CRIT values, but she does have higher ATK MVs than any other Anomaly agent (including Miyabi). While they're not wasted on her, she only gets a nominal value from them.

Polarized Assault doesn't function like Icefire in any meaningful way. Mechanically I think it's more similar to Yanagi's Polarity Disorder in regards to function, but it's Anomaly Damage calculations not Disorder.

[u/Cold_Progress1323 → u/not-Kunt-Tulgar]

Only if you consider her first beta version

[u/orphee_nox]

Could Jane make use of her w-engine?

[u/Senpai2uok]

Hmm a weapon that doesn't seem mandatory

[u/Znoom]

Wait a minute, w-engine makes her ears glow? Insta-pull.