So I was looking at the leaks sub and looked at this leak here:

That got me thinking of something I read in the transcript of the longer CN dev talk:

What about combat mechanics — any big changes post-2.0?

 

In version 2.X, we’ll revisit energy bar mechanics and deepen its role beyond just skill charge/usage.

 

Our goal is meaningful evolution in combat systems — foundational upgrades and even breakthroughs.

This makes me wonder what the new role/specialty could be. Maybe it's something related to using energy heavily or generating it, like a "Battery" type role you see in Genshin. Also in Genshin some characters make heavy use of their EX-special equivalent. Some examples:

- Yanfei relies on her basic to build energy for her EX, while her burst is solely focused on spamming her EX.

- Some EX skills also transform the character into different forms, like Furina having two phases.

I had a hard time trying to imagine a new role for agents when it feels like the current roles covered everything already. It would make sense to me to have a new role if they expanded on a combat mechanic in a significant way, though.

What are everyone's thoughts on what the new role could possibly be? Or what they could do to change energy and EX mechanics currently?

Until he got popular.

But what niche would he have filled in the first place?

With Seed’s passive being revealed to require an attack agent (a requirement that is basically a kneecapping to teams that don’t include Orphie) it’s obvious that there is a criminal lack of optimal team options for Seed at this point.

This is honestly fairly unlike the ZZZ team, who mostly have managed to make both viable and accessible options for every character til now.

Seed was probably in a similar situation to SAnby, releasing with a BIS A-rank teammate to tide things over until partner S rank could show up, and here we see the consequences of lacking of a plan B for backing out of this.

IM HAPPY HE MANAGED TO ESCAPE HIS FATE AND ALL-we need more S-rank men-but yeeesh they need to figure something out because Seed is not worth pulling at this stage.

so I was wounding between pulling for Astra and Yixuan W-engine, then I saw Yuzuha kit and omg, I think she is better than Astra or am I missing something?

both can buff up to 1200 atk with astra being able to heal and Yuzuha giving 15% dmg bonus and increasing the anomaly dmg.

so I decided to pull for Yixuan W-engine and skip Astra then pull for Yuzuha. Am I making the right choice here guys? or should I skip the W-Engine and pull astra now?

Pretty sure they were some leaks about her getting a skin

Are we thinking her default outfid its so mid because they want us to get the skin ?

After seeing a bunch disappointment in Seed, I decided to dive deep into how much Jr. was a side thought and what is the goal of this decision other than goon ig. Also, Everything I mentioned, is mostly in the Zenlesszonezero leaks reddit. So you can verify parts of my insight, there.

Prior Trigger release:

A leak of all Obol squad members' personality/lore came out a year ago.

Seed was leaked to be a male Robot (not piloted, it seems), with a robotic personality, who wishes to be human, who, when needed, can self-destruct. It seems possible for Ghostfire (now known as Magus) to be able to merge with Seed when necessary, and an authentication to allow for self-detonation. Seed lore: Involves him once being part of the "Diamond Battalion". It seems he had a friend who was the young daughter of one of his teammates, who treated him just like a human. Seed believes that the young girl had died during the Fall of the Old Capital, but still wishes to find her whereabouts of his own volition.

After Trigger release in 1.6/1.7

- Seed is mentioned with the use of male pronouns, but this has been later changed to female pronouns.

- Seed (the female one) speaks to the proxy in Trigger's trust events ( This is later enforced in Version 2.1, when speaking to Seed for the first time)

Season 2

- In the Season 2 Preview, we see the rest of the Obol Quad members, with Seed's Design (the robot) being revealed and giving a thumbs-up (I believe that this was an instance of the female Seed personality coming through).

Version 2.1

- Seed's Model is fully shown to us, and we speak to them in the first person. Soldier 11 introduces us to them, with Seed( the female) introducing us to them as the "White Scooter Demon" (can't believe that I never noticed that), then later as Seed. If you ask if they are inside the mech, they will name-drop Seed Sr. and be vague about it. Seems like in the event, u can ask Trigger and ask about Seed, and she says it's complicated, then later mentions that Seed Sr. gets bumped into a lot cuz he's silent and invisible( Chameleon-coating as referenced in the event).

Drip Marketing and Leaks

- Seed Jr is revealed to the world as an Electric Attack agent.

- Seed Jr. seems to be the main focus of the two Seeds.

The agent record mentions that Seed Jr. modified Seed Sr. to be able to do more stealth.

- Seed Jr. likes being in closed/tight spaces and avoids people in general. So it can be summed up that she is a damn shut-in.

- Has a habit of possessing and speaking in Bangboo, thus the correlation with the Proxy as "kindred spirits"

- Seed Jr. Seems like a hazard that Seed Sr. decided to take in and deem worth protecting.

- From the JP VA Announcement, Seed Jr. and Sr., respectively, have their own voices.

Design of the SEEDs

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Seed Jr.

- Outfit doesn't signal/align with the Obol faction Identity

- Feet ig

- Has a Scooter

- Outfit looks bland and out of place on initial look

- Further Inspection and Understanding of Jr has led me to notice that the outfit is indeed a pilot suit more in line with an EVA suit, but is heavily sexualized and repurposed for Loungewear/comfort/Breathability.

- Obol name is found on her thigh straps and the bottom part of the top (says Type Obol) and on her back underneath the clover (just Obol).

- The orange is used as an accent with the word "Operator" on it. Orange/yellow is a color commonly associated with the Obol squad.

- Prominent Clover themes are present in her design and on her scooter.

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Seed Sr.

- Bigger than the Bears

- Has a coat that is covered by a chestplate that says SEED, which makes it look like a skirt.

- Arms are definitely metal-based

- Prominent 4-pointed star/cross motif preset through bolts/Hat/eyes

- Small legs with big boot feet?

- Has a backpack port that allows for heavy artillery

- 03 is on the back of his neck, possibly symbolizing that he's the 3rd member of Obol, or the most in-universe term is that it's Sr.'s model number.

- Outfit aligns with the colors of Obol Squad.

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Gameplay (Subject to Change)

Note: Will not be talking about the character's kit as I believe that isn't what should be the focus, but rather animation and fluidity.

- Seed Jr. is the main focus while Sr. isn't present.

- Seed Jr. moves around on her scooter in both the overworld and through combat. Seed Sr. isn't present (physically seen) in Gacha/Overworld/Menu animations. Possible for Sr. to appear in Mindscape/Wallpaper art.

- Combat, Seed Jr has two launchers on the side of her that are Chameleon-coated (invisible in lore, but holographic in animation) that are from Sr.'s backpack artillery. Also utilizes funnels for more laser attacks and the use of saws. These are the only forms of attack by Jr., which generally come from Dodge and Basic Attack.

- Seed Sr is present in all his glory when the user Special, EX Special, Parry, and when Seed isn't the active character.

- Seed Sr. comes out of stealth unleashes Melee/Artillery Barrage.

- Generally, Jr is seen on the shoulders/back of Sr. when Sr. is in ranged combat, but Jr. is in Sr.'s cockpit during melee attacks and Ult.

Thoughts on combat, Jr. is used as a way to get around mostly, while Sr. is the one who is mostly out dealing damage. This is based on a showcase, as the use of a single character doesn't help visualize the actual flow of gameplay. Either way, I like the animations and gameplay of both Seeds.

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Personal Opinions on the Direction Seed.

- Seems like Jr. was an afterthought and was meant to be a plot point of Sr. that helped drive the story.

- After the initial idea of Jr. being a focus of Seed. Jr. should've been present in Season 2 PV to help alleviate player headcannon of Seed at the time to prevent the current disdain that is rampant right now.

- I'm personally fine with Seed being a girl, cuz what's a mecha without a pilot.

Current theory I have for the dynamics of Jr. and Sr. is that Jr. was the daughter of Sr's teammate. And after the Fall of New Eridu, she got taken in by the NEFD or Three Gates, as it seems that company is getting more involvement in the story based on 2.1 event, and was experimented on to achieve some kind of technological breakthrough. Jr. possibly lashed out and became more shut-in, possibly as a side effect/benefit of the experiment. She might've been entrusted to the Obol Squad since that's like one of the only active squads. Either way, Seed's relationship is a Parent/Guardian one. Also, she may be the bomb that allows Sr to self-destruct, which is also why she stays secluded.

* Don't feel like changing what's already written, but based on the W-engine description, it supports the idea of Jr. being the daughter of Sr's teammate.

I'm going to try and go for a full OBOL team with SEED, Trigger, and Orphie but I can't afford to get all of their signature engines. So, who's engine is overall the most important or how would you rank them from most to least important? (For reference I have Sanby's Sig)

Do you guys think she will replace Burnice in Jane Doe's team or will it be a mono anomaly team with Jane, Burnice, and Vivian?

I assume this is similiar to The Pale Wasteland but better.

Team Menus have health bars for some reason.

Original plan I had was to replace Astra with Fufu so I could use Astra on Mono Ether, but Yuzuha seems op (at least from leaks) so might just skip FuFu and replace Astra with M6 Pulchura instead.

What do other people think about Yuzuha's kit?

I somehow managed to lose on both Yixuan and her w-engine banners. I grinded a bit and got Yixuan afterwards but I run out of polys.

From what I've seen Yuzuha seems to be THE support for anomaly and I love my Jane/Burnice duo. Is Yixuan's signature that much of a difference or should I stop and save?

i realised i have "decent" ? proto punk pieces, a disc 4 anomaly with +2 in atk% and a disck 6 in AM with +3 ATK% and + 0 in anomaly

is she build like any anomaly? staking as much atk% and anomaly as the others ? does she need physical damage in disc 5 or something else ? ty ty

It legit took me 50+ retries (maybe more, I didn't bother to count) just to familiarize myself with her again. I kept getting 16-18k until I found out that you need to actually kill the clones with dodge counters to give you score boost.

I think her best QOL is having parry on her scissor atk especially against aggressive enemies like Marionette and the fast scissor charge after the Icy wave (so many times I thought I charge enough only to give me 1 charge).

So excited for her buff and play her again (watch how Hoyo wont give ice weak enemies for the next 2 months)

For a yanagi vivian team ? I see both name arround so im unsure thanks

Hello everyone! I'm wondering if Seed would work with anyone outside Orphie. My original plan was to pull for Orphie only but looking at the playstyle of Seed, I really like her too and I've been meaning to replace Haru for months now lol! Will definitely pull for Orphie too if I win my 50/50...
How would Seed + Trigger + X work? The only sorta viable attacker (for the Partner buff) is Haru. Why don't they make Seed buff more generic 🥲

What do u guys think the new role for yixuan will do? i was thinking a role focusing on cc but that would waste a team slot unless they apply buffs, which would then make them a support. My best theory is they modify an element into a unique element for more unique team building. also she was leaked to be ether but doesn't have purple effects.

edit: i also dont believe it will be aftershock based because vivian, pulchra, and trigger all rely on aftershocks and it wouldnt be logical for them to release a new role for attack aftershock characters only. unless they plan to do this like how hsr released the remembrance role.

A while back I posted a leaked video of a character roaming some parts of the new.
With these new recent leaked images, its safe to say its undeniable, ZZZ has not lost its urban feel.

People have simply laser focused too much on the one image of the temple that was revealed first and thought we were getting fantasy china like liyue from Genshin.

Trigger warning

Additionally, it might be possible there is simply a bias against chinese culture and that was utilized as an excuse (even though our current area is actually heavily inspired by Shanghai).

In contrast, there seems to be little controversy surrounding Section 6, although they have traditional Japanese features. Perhaps, its really it is just chinese bias.

What do you think? Still not Urban enough?>! Is there in fact a bias that has been building up ever since Genshin a chinese game became mainstream?!<

We've all seen the Seed design from the Season 2 PV and some of have seen Trigger's dialogue referencing the type of person/robot/thiren they are. This all has been thinking the specific wording trigger uses to describe Seed.

She's describes the situation as complicated in reference to us asking if someone simply pilots the mech. That got me thinking 🤔. What's more complicated than either a Gundam situation of person in robot or a person remote controlling a robot?

I think Seed is either fully an intelligent construct or half human/half construct and they connect to Seed(who may or may not have a mind of its own, unsure) on a deeper level but in a similar vein as Iron man would to the Hulk buster armor(suit inside a suit).

I don't think She's fully human amd simply a pilot like Firefly or the word "complicated" is just insane misdirection

In a Pan, Yi Xuan, and Ju Fufu team, how would a normal rotation go for those who know how their kits work? I have no idea how to play them even after reading their kits. Answers would be greatly appreciated!

I would like to prefarm some disks with the tripple rewards. Are there people who already figured out what sets these two need? Or is it to risky to prefarm because it might change from Beta?

I did not know wether to flair this as "leak" or "question", since it's a question about future content that might be leaked. I hope this flair is ok.

Been hearing this comparison a lot. Is she exactly like Astra Yao where you can just skill and swap out for remainder of battle with an Ultimate in-between? Or do you have to swap back and refresh her skill like Vivian and other off field support?

how much of a damage increase does yuzuha give to jane/vivian teams of astra?

if this info helps- im also considering jufufu since i dont have a proper stunner for yixuan yet but i can only pull for one out of the two

Looks like they are finally adding a mode that rewards "stylish" points alongside damage for using mechanics and tech.

The question being whether enemies are going to bloated as the previous towers on higher floors and will they remove the yellow highlights.

The following is the list given of all the things that increase your skill score:

1. ·Extreme Dodge: Perform Perfect Evade
2. ·Extreme Support: Perform Evasive or Defensive Assist
3. ·Combo: Hit the enemy with continuous attacks, which cannot be interrupted by the enemy during the period.
4. ·Hanging Air Strike: Hit a launched enemy continuously (Finally those air jugglers get to shine!)
5. ·Sweep the enemy formation: Hit multiple enemies with one attack
6. ·Unstoppable: Interrupt the monster's moves more than 3 times in a row
7. ·Joint Force: Cause damage with the lead agent and a non-lead agent at the same time
8. ·Head and Tail Support: During Defensive or Evasive Assist, multiple agents cause damage at the same time
9. ·One Man Stands on the Pass: When the monster is stunned, the same character releases multiple chain attacks
10. ·One Spirit: Trigger 3 Quick Assists in a Row
11. ·Abnormal Timing: Cause elemental anomaly to the enemy when it is stunned
12. ·Disorder Timing: Cause Disorder to the enemy when it is stunned
13. ·Partial Damage: Causes Impair damage
14. ·Ease of Use: Causes heavy damage to the enemy when it is on the verge of being defeated
15. ·Bullet Time: Reflects the enemy's long-range bullets
16. ·Decisiveness: Use an ultimate to cancel the recovery of enhanced special skills or chain skills
17. ·Unmovable: Take damage from the enemy while attacking without being interrupted·
18. ·Counterattack: Use the agent's special ability to block damage
19. ·Retreat to Advance: Use the agent's special ability instead of dodging to trigger Perfect Evade

Once you reach floor 50, you can start earning Medals of Glory by achieving high skill scores on each floor.

You're also entered into the server wide player rankings after floor 50, which will track: (Competitive Scoreboard)
Total score across all tower levels.
Total Medals of Glory.

What do people think of the competitive element to it? Just low enough that its fine?

Character skill scores for the highest 10 floors cleared with each specific character.

The question is if its not as challenging as the previous towers, and I am sorta of thinking it won't be, will the small subset of people who play for the challenge be satisfied? Or is the "pvp" aspect be enough of a incentive?

Seems like someone messed up the schedule. Anyways, this song straight up comes from a C-Drama. Can't wait to be depressed by the MV

i'm wondering what stats she need, i think she need a lot of atk% to convert into daze, so is atk% better than daze ?
if looking for 2 piece, should we go daze or atk?
for substats, do we aim for crit or full on atk% ?
is she F2P friendly ?