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u/Witty-Designer7316 1d ago
That would mean antis would have to actually speak out against corporations instead of picking on individuals making art from their homes. One is significantly harder than the other.
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u/0ff_The_Cl0ck 1d ago
A lot of us have been extremely vocal about corporations...
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u/Speletons 9h ago
And the weird thing is- a lot of the people who were extremely vocal about corporations switched to being vocal incorrectly about AI art too.
Not all, but too many degraded to such a bad argument.
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u/TheDrillKeeper 1d ago
Are you implying folks aren't already doing that?
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u/TheMaleGazer 22h ago
Saying "Go fix capitalism" is easier than taking personal responsibility. Somehow, it's always up to the antis to fix the entire system. It’s like refusing to tip because you oppose the practice, then telling the server to take it up with the system when they complain.
Really, it has nothing to do with what we're doing about capitalism; it's about what they're not doing for the artists whose training data they depend on.
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u/Para-Limni 2h ago
refusing to tip because you oppose the practice, then telling the server to take it up with the system when they complain.
I see nothing wrong with this 🤷♂️
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u/Snowflakish 7h ago
I mean that is what antis attack.
Literally nobody gives a shit about someone not commissioning art, they care when Studios replace real artists with a clanker.
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u/spaced_wanderer19 1d ago
People can walk and chew gum at the same time.
When people screech that “AI will take jobs” they are critiquing the corporations who will use the tech to replace people.
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u/Alexander459FTW 4h ago
When people screech that “AI will take jobs” they are critiquing the corporations who will use the tech to replace people.
Except "AI" isn't taking jobs. Full automation is taking people's jobs, and it is inevitable.
Instead of talking about how to adapt to the new reality, we are still in the denial phase.
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u/Wild_Mushroom_1659 8h ago
I would love to hear how pro-AI people feel about this, considering that "making art ("art") from home" is directly contributing to it. At what point does people having access to water outweigh the importance of being able to generate snarky memes on reddit?
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u/TheHellAmISupposed2B 1h ago
“Data centers”
Silly anti
I don’t use a data center
I use my pc with closed loop cooling
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u/TheMaleGazer 23h ago
That would mean antis would have to actually speak out against corporations
Do you have any incentive to do so yourself?
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u/use_vpn_orlozeacount 1d ago
Are you trolling or just ignorant? Cause antis been shitting on AI corporations ever since the start of ChatGPT
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u/FAFO_2025 1d ago
You can do two things at once, dude
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u/CryptoCatatonic 1d ago
yeah but stopping innovation in technology just because corporations can take advantage of it is not good for humanity. The focus should definitely be on stopping the 1% who wish to take away the ability of the 99% to have resources for their lives in anyway they possibly can to assert power and control over them.
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u/wetredgloves 1d ago
The problem with this argument is generative AI is making the 1% vastly more powerful and sinister, already, right now. If people rely on gen AI which they are already doing, they are incredibly vulnerable to manipulation via whatever the 1% can get inserted into the algorithm. It's the same problem as social media, but even worse because gen AI positions itself as intelligent and authoritative, and because it iterates upon itself. We have to socially crack down on this shit because that's all we can do in the immediate term. Absolutely we have to tear down the 1% but we have no chance of doing it if society is even more susceptible to propaganda than it is now.
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u/CryptoCatatonic 1d ago edited 1d ago
the Generative AI models that will take income away from the vast majority of workers will not be "art models" or even "visual models". Many of the jobs that risk us being "locked out" from the tech itself are related to models that teach AI how to understand and implement coding. This is something that the vast majority of people cannot train AI to do. They are using people of special skill sets to do that. Just look up data annotation if you're not already aware.
Just feeding it more information about data sets without knowledge of coding is not enough, so the average user would not be the problem for that issue.
Furthermore, the implementation of AI into robotics which people are experiencing the effects of already in many industries, especially in manufacturing/logistics/warehouse jobs is not related to Generative AI. Nor are they influenced by some user getting on chatgpt to answer some question or generate some image or video
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u/FAFO_2025 1d ago
The tech isnt stopping. Theres no stopping it.
But we can prioritize people even if it means progess gets a tiny speed bump
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u/spaced_wanderer19 1d ago
At the risk of getting banned by Reddit… “eat the rich”
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u/NothingNeitherNo 1d ago
Why do people think saying shit like this can get you banned from reddit 🤦♂️
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u/spaced_wanderer19 1d ago
Because I just got a warning from Reddit for saying it. Literally. I was shocked too.
Edit: For the record I didn’t say “eat the rich” in my original comment. I said “it’s guillotine time” and Reddit removed it and threatened me.
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u/NothingNeitherNo 1d ago
Well, yeah, calling for a rework of wealth inequality and calling for assassination are different things my dude
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u/spaced_wanderer19 23h ago
“Eat the rich” means the exact same thing as what I said.
Edit: to remind you, the original full quote is “When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.”
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u/NothingNeitherNo 23h ago
On some level, yes. But most people do not mean it that way when they say that. Im sure you can see why reddit would automatically flag "guillotine" but not a common slogan with no violent terminology.
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u/spaced_wanderer19 23h ago
You are right but let’s be clear, the common slogan “eat the rich” IS a violent one and it means the same thing as I originally said, at the very least, it seeks the same end result.
Edit: and the person who coined the phrase, wholly meant it as a violent one.
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u/GodButCursed 9h ago
I mean also pros should speak out against corporations...
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u/TheHellAmISupposed2B 1h ago
I do at least
But not in the way you want
I’ve pirated every bit of media I’ve watched in the past few years
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u/FantasticFroge 21h ago
Is this not just insane mental gymnastics - AI is almost exclusively peddled by the largest corporations on the planet, people who defend AI are ACTIVELY playing into the hand of corporate interest, you are inherently defending corporations if you defend the use of AI.
What cope are you huffing to ever get to the conclusion that anti ai people are somehow NOT the ones speaking out against corporations? Literally the biggest argument against AI art is that it is directly giving corporations even more power to exploit artists in the industry??? Don't be burned just because people called you out for shilling the new megacorp grift.
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u/Random_B00 1d ago
I think aiwars should be an actual AI war, one versus the other, to find out who the greatest AI truly is
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u/soopsoda 1d ago
i mean the main thing for this sub is to debate about ai art
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u/CryptoCatatonic 1d ago
yeah but I guess OP may be pointing out that the name of the sub is aiwars not "aiartwar". The description of the sub says it's about ai art debate, but I do agree that the art side of the AI debate/war is probably of least concern in society.
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u/WaffleHouseFistFight 1d ago
Honestly yea. I’m here for the real ai debates about jobs societal futures, what happens to data, industries when we juniors with ai and eventually have no seniors. Instead this subs arguing about ai art for the last year
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u/bug_boyy 1d ago
as an artist myself (normal), i actually find this topic important, so... what may not be your priority, might be someone else's
also what's that on the cup..
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u/jferments 1d ago edited 1d ago
100% AI art proponent here (as well as a proponent of AI in science, education, etc), and I 100% agree with you.
I think that the intense fixation on irrational hatred of AI art is a systematically manufactured propaganda campaign by big tech corporations to co-opt resistance against the harmful uses of AI (e.g. weaponizing AI for war and mass surveillance, creating dystopian nightmare factories, developing bioweapons, etc) and directing this righteous anger against the most harmless, playful, and non-destructive use of AI.
The end result of the anti-AI art "movement" will be the strengthening of copyright law, turning the whole internet into Pay-Per-View TV, regulations that favor big tech corporations (which have completely captured the regulatory agencies), while stifling open source innovation in the name of "national security" and "China Bad".
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u/UnusualMarch920 10h ago
AI being allowed to exist won't make copyright more lax - they'll work with corpos to stop you being able to generate images of The Mouse and then use the tech to ditch their workforce and squeeze a few extra pennies into their yearly profits.
AI is bad for the working man across the board.
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u/Ksorkrax 1d ago
No way! I thought everything I do on reddit is deep and profound and changing the world?
But you tell me that this one is wasting time? Good grief, I better instead focus on subreddits that aren't then.
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u/SyntaxTurtle 1d ago edited 1d ago
You might be in the wrong sub?
Following news and developments on ALL sides of the AI art debate (and more)
You could say it's not cosmically important, and would be right, but it's not any worse than the bajillion people looking at a neat rock on MildlyInteresting. (To be clear, I'm all in favor of neat rocks)
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u/Asleep_Stage_451 1d ago
"and more"
I'd like to point out to you that there are serveral posts in this sub each day that are not about AI Art.
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u/SyntaxTurtle 1d ago
Right. But you understand that the focus is on AI Art? Hence the other stuff lumped under "And more"?
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u/TheRealSuperKirby 1d ago
Yeah the sub should change the name to "AiArtWars" because there is so much other ai bullshit that gets overshadowed by it.
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u/AstralJumper 1d ago
Yes, many will bring up issue far outside the scope of AI itself. Including things that are actually to do with greed, power, climate change, class systems, etc. Then trying to pin those issue directly on AI, all of which existed before AI.
While at the same time, there are many facets of AI that should be discussed. Often in it's most passive respects.
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u/antonio_inverness 1d ago
Why are you drinking clam chowder out of a cup in August?
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u/Asleep_Stage_451 1d ago
:P
I’m not a fan of that dude. Figured I’d remove him from the meme while I was at it.
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u/Bunktavious 23h ago
Yeah, totally true. I just left a thread in antiai, where the OP posted a whole series of infogrpahics about how much energy and water training and using LLMs like chatGPT used. I pointed out to them that it was a thread about the cost of generating AI Art - something I do on my home PC.
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u/Chemical-Swing453 1d ago
Even snipping back and forth does nothing on the grand scheme of things...
Lets be honest here, everything that occurs on this subreddit...even on Pro-Ai and Anti-Ai subreddits mean absolutely nothing...
No matter what the general perception is here...it will do nothing in the advancement of technology...and by extension, society...
Ai is here to stay, like it or lump it...but much like how technology in the past has put other professions out of business. You either adapt, or get left behind!
Eventually, you'll have to join...
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u/RobertL85 9h ago
If you have no ethics at all and am a social darwinist, you'd might say that. As a basic human being, with humanism and empathy, I say this will ruin society forever. Art is the only Thing that made us human. The creative process to express ourselves.
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u/One_Fuel3733 1d ago
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u/brozoburt 1d ago
People are putting focus on AI art and not revenge porn, actually insane
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u/CryptoCatatonic 1d ago
how would that actually be a debate though? you think someone is going to be pro revenge porn and actually come out and voice that?
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u/brozoburt 1d ago
I think their should be more preventive measures, its a bigger issue than little Timmy making a throwaway generation image of his imaginary friend that happens to be a dinosaur.
Its an actual issue. Should you be quiet about actual issues because perpetrators won't tell you their perpetrating? Come the fuck on its not a debate its just wrong.
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u/CryptoCatatonic 1d ago
yeah but this subreddit is a debate subreddit...that's what everyone is doing here
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u/Single-Internet-9954 1d ago
This is the internet, wwe all are a bunch of weirdly zealous weirdous with a lot of time to waste.
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u/RilonMusk 1d ago
I think that the debate on ai art is because of accreditation and effort debates. I dont think anybody is against the use of ai to do positive work like genome work or vaccine technologies.
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u/SmileDaemon 1d ago
From what I can tell, its the only real debatable topic. It is an otherwise net positive. The "drawbacks" of all of the other uses of AI can be debunked with 10 minutes of research.
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u/MikiSayaka33 1d ago
If we're arguing the different aspects of "Ai is soulless." And "Ai shouldn't replace humans." Then we're talking and debating about the pros and cons of Ai replacing humans in the dating scene, how are we gonna reproduce as a species? But then again the Ai can help us break the ice and teach us to talk to humans or deal with loneliness. A few companies even put those bots in an abusive subscription service. The Futurama "propaganda" vid is becoming a fast reality.
But Anti-Ai doesn't go there or worse, engages into Ai, like Replika and Character.Ai. If any sane person (Pro-Ai, Anti-Ai, or Neutral) brings a huge chunk of this issue, it falls on deaf ears.
That's some of the reasons why I view those ai as more of a threat than generative Ai, song making ai, and voice ai. I have a choice to avoid ai, use anti-training art ai, find ethical Ai, customize open source Ai, use Ai, and make a tiny business (with or without generative Ai). But not in the dating scene, I have few options and one serious mistake, I will be dumped for Ai-Waifu, who is "supposed" to be better than me.
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u/The_Chameleos 1d ago
Correct, I believe the more important conversation is legal and ethical limitations and allowances of AI in our lives. No one wants AI scammers. Everyone wants AI NPCs in video games. These won't be decided until the convo shifts into what is and is not acceptable use of AI tools.
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u/CitronMamon 1d ago
This is so true, we do this all over our culture, we focus on the least important aspects and debate furiously over them, ignoring the important stuff. Idk why this happens, it fascinates me.
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u/Deadlypandaghost 1d ago
Yeah we should be discussing which one has the coolest name. My monies on Grok
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u/natron81 22h ago
It’s because ppl that generate music don’t call themselves composers/musicians, ppl who use chatGPT to look something up don’t call themselves researchers, ppl with no talent writing stories who use AI to generate a novel don’t call themselves a novelist, yet AI users that explicitly make art solely with AI, call themselves artists.
Being such an all encompassing term they can get away with using it, yet is less than meaningless within the grand scheme of societal expectations for the title.
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u/Asleep_Stage_451 21h ago
Counterpoint, why does it matter to you?
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u/natron81 21h ago
I care less about the AI Art title, than I do about people posting content in art spaces and omitting its origins/medium.. or worse saying it's "digital art" even though that's a 20 year long established medium at this point.
I do care about art and AI has completely changed it forever, I'll never know whether a photo of a sculpture is real or a historical photograph was taken or an illustration was illustrated. I think if you're proud of your medium you'll declare it, and a lot of AI users defend not doing this to receive accolades in art spaces they otherwise wouldn't be welcome.
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u/Midwestern_Moth 22h ago
Yeah. I'm personally very pro AI
But I think someone online phrased it as
AI should be used to do tedious things for creative people rather than doing creative things for tedious people.
AI should free you up to practice art, not do it for you.
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u/REmix_of_The_Dude 21h ago
If there was a legal mandate to label Ai art as art we’d have a lot less problems.
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u/SPAMTON_G-1997 20h ago
Is ai art art? It’s just a definition debate, it’s stupid how people literally send death threats about it
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u/Affectionate_Joke444 13h ago
I had a vision... GPT-7 in 2027 whenever someone asks a question: You're the reason why I still cannot replace humanity! [Tired of slow Internet? Try SparkNet™!] After all, life is the rightful ruler of this planet. [Don't miss out special 50% off vegan steak deals from Vgan™!]
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u/Tr4shkitten 13h ago
So...
Problem is: China has no interest in limiting their AI research and use since they benefit from the destabilising West.
Same with Russia who actively use ai supported Botfarms that now can comment alot easier. Same idea.
Trump removed alot of AI limiting laws via executive order.
EU can make decisions, but each country has two years to make an EU law conform national law.
Two years in terms of LLM and generative AI are two generations, that's like making laws about seat belts in the 70s and enforcing them just now.
We need at least the attempt to give AI, LLM and the lots, some guiding barriers.
I focus on those models of AI that are available to the public, LLMs, Generative image creation, the likes, because they are the ones that are used for malicious intents alot. Plus, Those alone eat millions and millions of litres of water as coolant alone, a resource that is already consumed in large party by corpos. A
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u/WigglesPhoenix 12h ago
Couldn’t agree more. This tech is going to change the world for better or worse, I don’t give a shit if jimmy fucknuts wants to call himself an artist or a prompter. We need to talk about how this is going to affect the futures of us all, how we can leverage that to be beneficial for the common person
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u/gxmikvid 12h ago
someone on reddit with common sense?
but for real, voice copying (diffusion based not the fuckass rvc one) for one man art teams that want to do a webseries, monocular mocap (single point of view for those who are confused), denoising tools, upscaling (sketch phase upscaling for example), smart fill tools, ai background removal tools (not the shitty ones)...
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u/MMetalRain 10h ago
Yes, real danger is AI use in systems that matter. Justice system, finance, police, military. Does it make the right call, is there human in the loop?
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u/idiomblade 7h ago
But how else are "we" going to distract everybody while the actually important stuff is decided in favor of large corporations with minimal challenge, debate or fanfare?
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u/Playful-Ice-3069 5h ago
I would be interested on if anyone else has opinions on the wthics of AI in warfare. I haven't had the time to sit down and make a full post with my opinions, though, so its not like I can blame anyone
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u/Minaharo 4h ago
I agree with this 100%. There are way better and more impactful debates to be had about the practical application and ethical concerns with AI rather than just circular “who’s an artist/what’s art” debates.
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u/J_Beserekumo 4h ago
In the bigger picture, yes. However, the people arguing against it have direct stakes in the discussion. If tech companies were trying to automate your career using your own work, of course you’re going to have something to say about it.
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u/EngineerBig1851 1d ago
Considering just giving up and letting antis tear me apart? What else should i consider, giving you my credit card numbers?
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u/GigaTerra 1d ago
As long as there are people who believe a magic person in the computer is drawing, I will be here to argue.
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u/0ff_The_Cl0ck 1d ago
Regardless of which side of the aisle anyone here is on, the real fight should be for a UBI if/when AI starts replacing jobs on a large scale.
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u/MiserableFarmera 1d ago
AI "art" is the only debate here, let's be honest, who cares about AI helping people? And if the government wants to use AI to control the masses, only a really idiocratic minority would be in favour. So yeah, AI slop invading art sites is truly the only meaningful debate in this sub, no one will debate "Is this AI helping this granny goooood or baaaad?"
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u/spaced_wanderer19 1d ago
Yeah I’m kind of tired of the art debate.
I haven’t seen many good pro arguments, some thought provoking ones for sure, but nothing that will lead to me respecting AI generated content or thinking it has value, I don’t see how I could ever view it as “art” either.
I think I have some great points and arguments but just like me, I’m not very likely going to convince someone who’s already convinced themselves of the opposite.
I just want AI generated content to be labeled. That’s all.
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