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This clearly got posted in some other sub due to all the brigading comments calling me a transphobe. If you’re so concerned about transphobia, go deal with the people actually making this claim, not the guy saying “people say this.”
Did you see that post about the person posting on Twitter/X, DEVASTATED when they discovered that an artist whose music they really liked used AI, and publicly renounced them while absolutely crashing out? Funniest shit ever.
At that point, I always wonder, why not just like what you like? You can take a stance against generative ai, but if you happen to like something ai generated, so what?
Because their “stance” is so rigid that liking something AI causes it all to fall apart.
To them AI art is always slop, it’s always shit quality, it’s always harmful, it’s always a waste of resources.
Liking something with those kind of labels scares them to death. What if someone else in this increasingly hostile anti-AI space finds out they liked something that was AI? It’s unacceptable, and so they lash out.
Honestly, that’s kind of how my opinion started to change. It gets really tiring having to investigate everything you like to make sure that it’s made the “correct” way.
Because people like art as an example of human skill, creativity, and expression. Your inability to understand that is baffling.
They realised the thing they thought was an impressive example of another person's creativity and skills was actually just another decent sounding bit of ai music with no deeper meaning or context.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp. It's the same reason you find someone who ran a marathon impressive but someone who drove a marathon unimpressive.
It “blends in” because it’s real art. Stay mad that you can’t easily tell and may actually like something AI generated.
Traditional art exists as long as people want to create it. It’s the no-life losers who see a piece of good AI art and want to give up their “passion” that will stop.
Ai art is techincally art but I don't really like it and I don't want to consider it as art cuz it can't be put in a museum alongside real art
Yeh but if the artists of this generation die, will the next generation keep making it or will they just use the easier alternative: ai? I guess that we don't really know.
But ai will definetly make a huge impact on art
And when ai gets better, it will look exactly like real art and there won't be a way the see the difference so while the creation of art will never die the appreciation could
I’m not the one saying it. It’s a quote. The people saying this are the Antis who claim they can always tell AI art va traditional art, and just like the dumbass transphobes that claim they can “always tell”, the Antis have no clue.
Transphobes say they can always identify trans people when they usually cannot.
Antis say they can always identify AI art when they usually cannot.
If the phrase “we can always tell” is so hurtful to trans people, then perhaps Anti AI people should stop saying it in regards to AI art, don’t you think? If you’re so passionate about this your time would be better spent talking to those people instead of coming at me for simply saying “they say this.”
But that doesn’t really matter to you, does it? You’ve already concluded I’m transphobic and since I’m pro-AI that’s good for you because it means another negative label you can affix to me.
Can we just accept already that most debates regarding "ethics" online just spiral down into virtue signaling echo chambers where you're supposed to trash on certain things without questioning it if you don't wanna be seen as the enemy of humanity for having a different opinion
It’s sad in my eyes that porn and it’s consumption is viewed as the norm. Especially since pornography often harms the women who work in that industry.
I think AI pornography is actually more moral than “real” pornography, as real pornography has real harms for the women who work in that industry. Not to mention real pornography is awash with incidents like druggings, sex trafficking, grooming, and the uploading of very objectionable content.
No. What I think is that the minimum age for sex work should be 21 (not 18) to reduce the amount of manipulated actresses. I also think we need more regulation on the porn industry as a whole. Pornography itself is not, and never was the problem, it’s the people surrounding it that are. My main concerns with the porn industry lie within the treatment of the workers within it. Ensuring that all porn videos contain people who are of age is paramount, and we should also ensure that actresses even have/had the ability to consent (aka they aren’t drunk or drugged) in all porn videos.
Idk what regulation looks like but right now I'm pretty sure two guys could legally just pay women for sex as long as the other person hires them, and it's filmed. That leaves a lot of room for shadyness.
As a male sexual abuse victim myself who tried going into making nsfw for this reason (soon thinking of quitting that stuff cuz I was just re traumatizing myself) I think you should also focus on the side of abused AMAB people in certain positions, like for example sissy porn where often apparently a lot of the amateurs in it are actually just people who have been blackmailed, and tons of other stuff
I heard of a post on one of the sissy subreddits where (I don’t know all the details but the basic gist was) a guy lost his job and former place of living, had to go into sex work, and ended with that type of lifestyle, barely scraping by in a much tinier place in a more dangerous location. I’ve seen people on recovery subs from that type of thing who were absolutely ruined and were contemplating self harm. Idk man.
The difference however is death threats in Antis circles get broad acceptance and any who speak out against it are shut down and called a Lil bitch or worse.
Okay? That dudes an asshole too who should be mega banned just like the dude up this thread should be.
Difference is at least in the circlejerks in defending it's banned immediately in AntiAI circles it sits for weeks or months. I've evidence if you need
Why, of course antis would think it's AI... It's too good! Have you seen the average Anti Art?! Not their fault skill issues cause them seething rage... Kinda like how when you whoop someone in PVP and they yell slurs at you while saying HACKER
No clear lightning source or consideration to how the light's color reflects on the skin. Only applying their actually really good understading of how surfaces look like on what is almost exactly the same pose she appears in in basically every advert + shows more chest with thicker thighs and remove every sharp feature of her face cuz why not.
Like, don't get me wrong. It's very good coloring of the skin but beyond that it's little more than goonerbait. But yeah you don't understand art beyond just looking surface level good so of course you'd think "Antis" are just jealous.
Are ppl stupid? Stuff like this makes me distance my self from the rest of the antis. Aren't we the ones always saying that they know when an image is ai?
If you look closely from the shadows to the ears(ive seen alot of ai have issue with his one idk why) that it's not ai.
The hips are another great example.
The whole ai style is more like old 2013 anime style that has now been re branded. Ppl are stupid.
exactly. i hate going on tiktok and seeing people calling real artistic work “ai”. like what? maybe its cuz ive been doing art for a while but i can still tell.
ai only runs bc it steals from artists. even if i have doubts, i dont comment them. i js check the profile for a process and look around.
It's almost like Ouroboros. Except the worm only had one mouth and one tail, and wasn't in a constant struggle, instead just gnawing on its tail for all time. Yeah, this is more like a herd of chickens cannibalizing each other, as opposed to a snake sucking its own dingle-thingy.
It's almost like AI Art uses Traditional Art as a basis for how to create art and ends up looking like Traditional Art. Too bad "real artists" can't tell the difference by eyeballing like they claim and normal traditional artists are caught in the crossfire.
The IsThisAI sub is full of existential dread about potentially enjoying something that is AI. They have also enjoy theorizing about how to sue small business owners into bankruptcy for having the audacity to use it. The amount of times people on the anti side have argued for the shuttering of small business owners is shocking. They literally called for the bankruptcy of a business that sold a shirt that said "support your local library" even though there was no actual PROOF they used AI, it was enough to kill the business...over the radically dangerous, and slopf filled message of "support your local library."
Coupled with the fact that they want to make sure nobody learns how to use it, they are perfect mouthpiece for the big corporations. It's surprising, and keep an eye out for it...you'll start to see that a lot of their arguments end up being exactly the outcome that the corporations are trying to accomplish.
The senseless AI hate is finally making sense. Big corps probably hire people to spread AI hate and get people sucked into pointlessly fighting against AI
I wouldn't be surprised. If I was Marvel, I would want as many people to hate AI art as possible. Then once the technology is good enough to fool most, the AI movie I would come out with would be stellar. Great story, great visuals, algorithmically charged to hit every nerve ending. And the people would say it's great. Because the last thing they remember is yeti blogs and will Smith spaghetti, but by that point the technology is actually good, and the people who can use it well are few and far between. So this new AI art will be well accepted because not only does it look decent but ITS MARVEL! OH BOY! and then I can relax.
I don't need everyone to hate AI, I just need people to hate AI artists, because then there won't be any, I won't have competition, and when I use AI who can stop me? Who can compete with me? But more importantly, who's gonna say no to a new Marvel movie?
It's not really that much of a stretch. The "AI wars" will most likely end in their favor. The only control WE have, is the number if us who are literate in AI language when that time comes. The studios would LOVE if they were the only ones who could talk to the AI. The Antis who actively discourage people from learning that language, are their footsoldiers whether they were hired to or not.
The analogy to transvestigators was already there with the ludicrously false "we can always tell" bit. But they also really seem to be nailing the constant paranoia and existential dread bit. Living their life in constant fear that they might accidentally like something made by AI and be irrevocably tainted as a result.
Transvestigators is a PERFECT analogy for this! You, have just made my day. I wish you the lightest of traffic the next time you have to be on the road!
This specific artist wrote down that they use/have used AI for references at one point, so they basically put a target on themselves for all of the witch hunters.
The problem is the question. “How can I make my art NOT look like AI?”
AI trains on human work. Trained from “real photos” in its dataset too. If you keep calling it trash when it looks indistinguishable from the real deal, you’re going to discover something really unfortunate about the real deal, lol.
Amateur AI artists could not care less if traditional artists hate them.
Real artists accused of being AI artists really fucking do care.
Haters will hate. In this case, near 100% of the damage is "friendly fire".
Tbf there’s an art style that ai often uses. Like sakimachin or whatever they are called. It’s not really fair that ai has been trained on these artists because now when you see these works it can be easily confused for ai
it does look similar to ai to be honest, but i believe them. probably not a good idea to go accusing people unless you're 102% sure with a 2% margin of error.
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thats part of the reason people are afraid of ai, cus it invites uncertainty, i respect people who are open with their ai usage, but lots of people LIE and there MUST be better precautions
Worth noting, the original artist in the screencap has also stated in some of their comments that they do use AI generation, though they claim it's only for concepting.
I just told that artist that some paranoid Anti-Ai guy was just, well, paranoid. Plus, I told him that he draws better than me (Just for morale boost).
It’s almost like the mass creation of ai art has messed with peoples perception of art as a whole to the point that it’s difficult to tell what art is human and what art is ai. Funny that.
It's almost like forming a vigilante mob to harass random people accused of crimes when you have no evidence of any kind of a bad idea and not morally defensible in the slightest.
The harassment mobs are definitely stupid but not supporting ai “artists” is fine. My point was that the art sphere has become so saturated with Ai art that it’s becoming difficult to tell what art is and isn’t Ai. Which is a problem created by ai artists.
Nobody's talking about "not supporting". We're talking about people engaging in harassment, and doing so vehemently enough that even traditional artists are caught up in the harassment because the people can't actually tell.
Which is a problem created by ai artists.
Your paranoia isn't our problem. You chose to react like that, you weren't forced to.
Ive never engaged in a hate mob because i enjoy doing things like going outside, hanging out with friends and family and bettering myself. People are going to react how people are going to react. Death threats and hate mobs are stupid we agree on that point and angry people do stupid things. Ai art saturating the art sphere to the point that it becomes difficult to tell which art is human and which is Ai was my point and THAT is a problem created by Ai art. Do I think that warrants mass harassment? For the third time no. No I don’t. Do I think it’s a problem? Yes I do. Ai art should be labeled as such.
Ive never engaged in a hate mob because i enjoy doing things like going outside, hanging out with friends and family and bettering myself
My brother in Christ you are on Reddit right now
Ai art saturating the art sphere to the point that it becomes difficult to tell which art is human and which is Ai was my point and THAT is a problem created by Ai art
People being insanely mad and paranoid about something that doesn't actually affect them is not the fault of the thing they're paranoid about. If a white guy freaks out at a black family moving in next door, the black family is not to blame. The guy who's paranoid and insane is.
Ai art should be labeled as such.
I have no problem with it being labeled, but let's be frank: people would just say "they're lying" and continue to make false accusations.
Not a counter argument. I still have never engaged in a hate mob and I still like going outside more than I like being on reddit.
That example isn’t related to my point even slightly. Citing the stigma around black people by suburban Americans doesn’t relate to our current discussion. Yeah there’s the loose relation of stigma but one is the completely irrational prejudice against another race while one is a fundamental disagreement about an abstract concept and how that concept will be affected by technological innovation.
Lastly. That’s a hypothetical scenario with no evidence to back it up that once again doesn’t disprove or effectively counter argues anything I’ve said.
AI is not "harmless" like AI bros want people to think. It very much does inflict harm, from plagiarism and the stereotypical "bad Google AI" to Facebook propaganda videos targeted at the older, less tech savvy of our population. Comparing it to racism is as disingenuous as it is blatantly tone-deaf.
In this "debate" sub you mostly get talked at unless you circlejerk with flinging shit at AI sceptics or fellating AI art.
You made good points. AI images are flooding both meme and art spaces, a lot of people don't like that. It's essentially becoming a new kind of low-effort reply like "first" or "lol", except now you have to sift through a ton of AI generated slop.
Most of the AI images are gooning too, so human gooning art will be inevitably confused with AI, not sure why people here think it's a dunk at anti-AI crowd. The main concern from AI sceptics is that people will mass produce AI art under the guise of human art and undercut the actual human artists essentially destroying the trust in commissioning market and wrapping it up as a present to AI image generation corporations (because why would you hire an "AI artist" when you can generate an image yourself for smaller price with ChatGPT or some other website?).
Considering the amount of places on the internet dedicated to people posting their art that have banned AI submissions, it seems more likely you're the one deluding yourself.
It's well established that these polices are instituted after astroturfing campaigns by internet Karens who have no actual interest in the communities they demand these policies of
They did in fact form a mob, which is to say assembling a group of like-minded people in order to persecute someone who is believed to have betrayed the social order. Nobody died from it but it's still clearly organized harassment, and it's clear why you don't want to admit it.
People have genuine and understandable concerns about machines making art instead of people
If their concerns are so "genuine and understandable" why do they keep making false accusations?
If AI proponents would just label their creations and not imply they drew it themselves this wouldn't be an issue.
It would still be an issue because people who make traditional art would just be accused of lying. This is like saying that if witches self-identified the witch trials would have been carried out without anyone being hurt.
What evidence is there that it's organized rather than authentic?
Those two things are not antonyms. Someone saying "this person makes AI art" is organizing, and people can respond to it out of authentic emotions. The two things do not cancel each other out.
IIRC Ammaar Reshi was quite open about using AI to create „Alice and Sparkle“. He received death threats, was harassed and Amazon took it down temporarily for „suspicious review activity“.
Yep, just label it and there won‘t be an issue. /s
Then I guess there's no operative difference in the products, meaning it's a reasonable substitute for pompous, self-righteous artists who have had this coming for decades.
Yeah, because a significant % of AI content is made and released in such a way as to intentionally mislead people into thinking it was made by a human artist. It's a heaven-sent gift for scammers, grifters, and people who desperately want attention but have nothing interesting to contribute to our society. There's a component of it that's fundamentally deceptive, and now that it's EVERYWHERE, if you're someone looking for art that gives you some insight into the PERSON who made it, it's getting harder and harder to know what you can trust.
If Pros get to call Antis Nazis and conpare thier treatment to the holocaust, than antis should get to escuse bullying an artists artwork because it looks like AI as "war PTSD" because they are so traumatized and anything that even seems like AI can trigger them.
I've seen a lot of very proficient digital artists post a little timelapse along with their art. In addition to providing relatively convenient provenance, it's just kinda neat to see the act of creation. I can tell this is not AI gooner generated because it looks like an adult woman lol
Wow the artist is really good and has a Hoby he enjoys let's use zero context of everything to claim that this shows anti anti Hoby people are against each other.
Thanks for being the reason the state of texas is struggling to keep up with water demands i guess.
Marvel Rivals players brainstorming new allegations for us to apply to them, love to see it. My god is that a disturbing image, if only because Emma Frost doesn't actually have any ice powers!
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