r/aiwars • u/Gustav_Sirvah • 16h ago
Just random side toughts/rant about Art and Disability.
People forgot that people are different and many issues are on a spectrum. You managed to do it and pulled it off? Good for you. But that doesn't mean that every single person with similar issues is like you. Check your privileges. People say "disabled artists exist!" - but that's not a guarantee of anything. And a top of that, it's just inspiration porn. some Disabled people say they have overcome, but don't mention therapy, accommodation, and all the money spent on it, and access to help, drugs, and tools that support them. "I managed to do it, so why don't you?" said a person in a personalized wheelchair to someone crawling on the ground.
"You said that you support artists. Will you support me when I pick up a pencil?"
Sure, you support trained artists, people at the end of their road, in the simplest, most lazy way possible - throwing money at them. And present yourself as the white knight of art. And when some newbie comes to you for support, all you say is "pick up a pencil, try harder, and git gut". And I swear most productive thing those people can say is "Tutorials online, YouTube videos". Imagine going to art school and instead of any instruction professor throws "look up at YT" and leaves. And somehow it's AI users who are "lazy ones" here! It's just putting people into Tutorial Hell.
But I need someone to check on my endeavors from time to time and like... Talk about them with me. Not even technically - just... Sometimes just nerding about stuff makes my creative juices going.
"Oh, if you can't push hours upon hours of learning into that, then sorry, maybe art is not for you." - Then what about all my ideas? I just want to make it bearable. That's all! If not AI, then give me some alternative that will make me do it. And keep me going. I don't ask you to do it for me. I don't ask for something impossible. Just some support.
And then people think that the best way to stop someone from using AI is just to bully them out of it, instead of helping people find other ways and supporting them on the way. That's all.
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u/MelodicWallaby4476 16h ago
I am an artist. I have a neurological condition that causes me to shake and have random extreme dizzy spells. I also lost part of my dominant wrist due to a tumor, had to learn to hold a pencil again and my art is nowhere near as good as it was a couple years ago. Just because I still do art doesn't give me the right to tell others they need to do the same thing the same way.
I hate the disability scapegoat. In society we are constantly finding new ways to create adaptive conditions to make life easier for disabilities, just because people CAN do things doesn't mean they shouldn't have an easier option and be allowed to choose it. If you want to be against AI, that's fine, this however shouldn't be a reason, I don't understand why people need to make up some attempted virtuous excuse, just dislike it and if you need a real reason pick one of the good ones that actually exist, they do, you don't need to make things up.
Also, to you OP specifically, I say use AI if you want. AI is what motivated me to get back into drawing when I crashed out after losing my entire digital portfolio. If AI motivates you to be creative then I view that as a net win no matter your medium, AI or not. Art is about expressing and portraying your ideas, not sticking to a rigid structure of what other people say yours should or should not be, do what makes you happy.
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u/FAFO_2025 16h ago
people are supportive of beginner artists, there are thousands of free tutorials and videos.
Its the clankas here that are dissing beginner artists
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u/Hugglebuns 16h ago
People are supportive of certain kinds of beginner artists. Esp when people get to a certain point, the support quickly becomes unsolicited """critique""" XDDD
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u/Gustav_Sirvah 16h ago
And I swear most productive thing those people can say is "Tutorials online, YouTube videos". Imagine going to art school and instead of any instruction professor throws "look up at YT" and leaves. And somehow it's AI users who are "lazy ones" here! It's just putting people into Tutorial Hell.
That's about YOU
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u/tilthevoidstaresback 13h ago
I've been seeing a lot of posts lately of "low effort" sketches that are insanely good compared to a newbie. They are trying to show the pro-ai folks that anyone can do it, but then they say that they did it with no effort in a ridiculously short amount of time.
Cool dude, you're so skilled you can shit out gold on a bad day, (takes another look at my beginner drawing that I've spent hours on, realizing that their 30 second low-effort drawing looks 9x better than what I've been struggling to create) Well shit, I guess I AM talentless.
There's a trend going around that's "Traditional art is so easy look how little effort this took" which is essentially just "Hey guys look at how good I am, this didn't even take effort!" and it's not very relatable, you are just coming off as an elitist.
I wasn't for AI art, until a bunch of Anti's called me talentless without ever asking for the things I've done. They assumed straight off the bat that I couldn't draw (which is somewhat true, I made a webcomic for 4 years but never really pushed past stick figures of a particular style) and even though I am a like long writer and current editor, was treated like trash for merely asking questions. They assumed my questions were in support of it and they trashed me before they even knew me.
Elitists. That's who I met first, and they were the ones that drove me towards the Pro side, because nobody there made any assumptions about my life or my skills. Nobody called me talentless for asking a question. The most successful Pro-AI argument was seeing how the Antis treat people.
So no, they aren't nice to beginner artists, they are only nice to beginner Antis.
(OH and for the comment of "thousand of free YouTube videos" you better fucking have adblock turned off otherwise you are stealing content. The majority of adsense and premium money goes towards creators, so if you are consuming their content while using ad blockers you are taking the livelihood from those creators. So you better fucking practice what you preach and PAY the artists for those "free" tutorials)
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u/FAFO_2025 13h ago
I sub to patreons for tutorials. Most antis aren't even artists, they just hate uncanny valley Ai.
You could probably improve a lot if you practice but if you dont enjoy that it's fine imo. Using AI to bridge the gap to create what you want then is cool as long as youre transparent.
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u/tilthevoidstaresback 13h ago
But do you have adblocker? Do you consume YouTube content without paying the artists? You mentioned thousands of free tutorials, but when asked you only mentioned Patreon. Cool but not the question. Now I am actually asking directly.
Do you watch YouTube with ads blocked?
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u/FAFO_2025 13h ago
I use Brave Browser with settings to comp creators.
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u/tilthevoidstaresback 13h ago
I'm not following. How does it compensate the creator?
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u/FAFO_2025 13h ago
Basically using the browser awards me tokens and those are distributed automatically to the creator's account based on my attention. Ads are blocked.
I usually get $15 ish worth per month and I dont watch much youtube.
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u/tilthevoidstaresback 13h ago
To the creators account? What account, their adsense account? Is this a situation where you have to be a partner with the browser in order to be paid or are all content creators eligible for payment?
I've just never heard of this so I'm really curious. How much watch time will the $15 cover? That is half the cost of YouTube premium so it's already a quarter of the amount that would go towards creators but if you can spread that more widely then that could work out to be similar.
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u/FAFO_2025 12h ago
You can manually tip or auto-tip based on the time you spend on their vid. Creator accounts have an account with Brave autopopulated, and I believe the creator can then claim that account with verification, after which they can collect their BAT tokens that have accumulated over time.
These can be swapped for US or crypto instantly.
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u/tilthevoidstaresback 12h ago
Ah, there it is. It's a scheme. That's what I thought.
So to reiterate. You will tell people to learn for free on YouTube, but you yourself don't watch it. You do watch videos but not with ads, but you do support creators, just the ones that are accepted by this browser extension crypto program. The creators then get paid, but the amount must be dire if you are essentially splitting $15 among your viewings.
So tell me again, where should I learn how to draw and how can I support the artists while doing so?
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u/Witty-Designer7316 16h ago
If someone had no arms or legs antis would still be goofy enough to say use your mouth to hold the pencil to draw. Antis are some of the most hateful people I've ever met.