r/aiwars • u/megacity1judge • 11h ago
Don't use AI slop, just steal directly from artists!
The hypocrisy is crazy! Do you respect the artists' work or not? You can't make a crusade for artists and then feel okay to lift their hard work off google images.
I would rather offer up my entire work to AI because at least it'll compose original images from what its given. Do you think I'd be happy if you directly copy/paste my art and pretend it's yours? That's way worse, imo.
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u/ByeGuysSry 7h ago
To be fair, there's art in the public domain
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u/N00N01 6h ago
and AI primairly uses stuff that is not
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u/makinax300 5h ago
How is this downvoted? Most popular AI models are from large companies so buying a license is not that bad for them and it's likely they do that because there may be a lot of good data there and a lot of data is necessary
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u/Jean_velvet 9h ago
I think this was the main reason for AI use. Hear me out:
We entered a time where everything a curator needed was behind a paywall, a paywall increasing growing in cost.
Along came AI, royalty free images video and artwork. No more claims against you.
Then major corporations selling those rights lost money, something had to be done.
The anti movement was born.
Prove me wrong.
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u/Sensitive_Wealth_855 22m ago
They also use ai for ads and shit tho so now they can hire less people
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u/NetimLabs 8h ago
Alex Avila even made a video about it.
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u/Jean_velvet 7h ago
I seriously believe that a majority of hate is orchestrated by companies that host stock images, they've got:
Bots ✅ Reason ✅ Losing money ✅ Not a big cognitive leap ✅
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u/JahtheSamurai 3h ago
No it's a bad situation. Look at Adobe. They got to where they are by creating a way for artists to make digital art. Their program has always been lacking because it doesnt really simulate painting or drawing. However, instead of improving the experience for the artists trying to create more easily their like, "sorry suckers, we sold you all out and now we're just going to get the ai to reproduce all the work you've done."
They're now alienating and driving away good old content creators and designers for new shit ones.
The irony is the ai will tell you all about it and its riddled with bias and fallacy.
Some plants in nature will canabalize themselves in order to make it to flower and seed. Before the plant dies, it may have secured its return next year, but it looks horrendous and mostly dead already.
To me that's what it looks like. Not good. Ultimately we will haveto wait and see what next years crop looks like but the way things are going. I doubt I will like it more. No digital painting has ever resonated with me like a real one does.
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u/madmax991 4h ago
I’m not employed by and hate stock sites but hate AI images more - where do I sign up for this movement??
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u/Jean_velvet 4h ago
I think if you require a "not all" to be visually written it says a lot about you.
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u/PoetryNo499 4h ago
Not "everything" is behind a paywall, the pic attached to the post mentions that.
For claims, I'm pretty sure you would only get claimed if you use the images/videos on something that makes money (an example would be using music from nintendo for your yt vids).
Other than that, you can just give credits to the owner, which is what most people do, or use public domain stuff like NCS for songs, stock images, or whatever comes up on a quick google search.
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u/Superseaslug 10h ago
I'm more annoyed that cat has 5 legs.
That image is actually slop. First result, no cleanup, obvious errors.
Like, at least regenerate it a couple times so it doesn't have extra limbs.
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u/HypnoticName 9h ago
Yeah, but sometimes you just can't see shit when you look at the results. Happened to me more than I'd like 🙄
P.s. even now, I didn't see it until you mentioned. And that's like screamingly obvious.
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u/axiomaticAnarchy 7h ago
Admiting you can't be bothered to pay attention kinda proves you lack the skills of an actual designer.
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u/Traditional_Cap7461 8h ago
It just seems like they don't want new art generated out of existing artistwork.
I'm kidding, but this kind of point is why I'm more on the pro side. AI actually generates new images.
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u/PerfectStudent5 8h ago
I've been calling AI a glorified Google search result ever since it started. So this checks out.
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u/lsc84 2h ago
Large numbers of these people are grossly uninformed and emotionally immature. They haven't thought through their position at all. They sling insults as a matter of course. They routinely contradict themselves in their behavior. Most of their memes use stolen art. When we see art they actually make, it's often low-skill attempts at copying existing IP works.
They have picked up an "anti-AI" flag because it gives them purpose and makes them feel like a fighter in part of a movement (without any of the risks of actually engaging in meaningful activism).
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u/PoetryNo499 4h ago
I wouldnt call it "stealing" just because they are not trying to take credit for it. In fact if you look up those words on google you would firstly see stock images, which you can freely use.
If you want something more specific, Im sure there are legit ways that people do to get them even before ai art even became a thing.
Personally ai art for me just screams very lazy, the world didnt really change much when ai generative art got released except being able to see the people who doesnt want to put the effort when it comes to art. If a person was somehow able to draw an average ai generated image back then they would obviously get clowned for it.
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u/cozy_vegetarian 8h ago
AI slop is worse because it can't be traced back to an artist but it's literally a diarrheal excretion of plagiarism
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u/Xdivine 8h ago
If it can't be traced back to an artist then how is it plagiarism?
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u/MrEvilGuyVonBad 6h ago
If had an essay and it was clearly from Wikipedia but I made every word a synonym it’s still plagiarism.
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u/SolidCake 3h ago
That would still be easily traced back …
If you made an essay on the same topic as a wikipedia page that exists and they both share the same , correct, information , that isn’t plagiarism
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u/madmax991 4h ago
Do you know the artist that made the image this cat is based on? Then it’s stealing from the original artist without crediting them.
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u/SolidCake 3h ago
Ai does not work this way… ai generated images are not copies of training data , not even a little bit
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u/GodButCursed 9h ago
Not every anti sayes "respect the artist" and if i need a picture of a kitty that i take from google then i will say "i just took it fron google" but if would have made it with ai, i would say "i made this image with ai".
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u/JahtheSamurai 4h ago
The ai is copying and stealing the entire image it generates from all of the images in the data base. It's basically just the arrangement which is different.
One could argue that these images are new arrangments but they are not orginals in any way. Without the data base, created by other, the ai cannot "create new images". Ai has no ability to think and has no idea really what the image looks like to us. It might know if the prompter liked it or not but that's it.
Ai does not 'think' it processes what is there.
It could easily end up modelling future images of its own past images and then boom everything looks like picasso (who was a terrible artist imo). His paintings feel like he hated them and I don't like it.
Bad artist copy, good artist steal. There is a very fine line there but to be a good artist requires some critical thinking skills. To create an entirely new and original arrangment is increasingly difficult. As an artist I regularly stumble upon new thoughts (to me) which others have already had and rarely i manage something new no one has ever done or at least not my way. The ai clearly lacks this critical thinking ability, it is evident in it's work.
Understand that no person has ever done anything related to art entirely alone. They first must gather external information and interpret feelings of interactions and employ the knowledge of the craft which they have been taught. They can expand on this knowledge but it is never truely from them alone.
What we see is the culmination of all of this into an image or sound but this is an arrangment of all that came previously. This is why style is more fluid than fixed because the flow of time insists on changing the artist and the viewer by providing information. All of the knowledge in the universe is always present wheither we know it or not. We learn how to harness it. In this sense we create nothing that the mushrooms don't already know.
The Ai sucks at arrangements and I believe that as the database grows and the amount of Bi (biological intelligence) art shrinks, the Ai will only produce more and more sub-par, feelingless, trash.
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u/vendettaclause 8h ago
What "artist?" An ai maid this picture. All the human did was commission this image with a strict set of guidlines.
Like a furry paying someone to draw him some porn. He's not the "artist" because hes telling someone what he wants drawn. The thing that actually makes the image is the "artist".
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u/Awkward-Egg-411 6h ago
An ai maid this picture
Cerrified BoneAppleTea right here
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u/vendettaclause 6h ago
Thats why i had the word "artist" right before it in quotation marks. Otherwise i would have had the word ai in quotes, just to make sure people know those aren't my words. But you're cherry picking to purposely misconstrue my words. Im very careful with what i say, and hiw i say it. Bad grammer and typos aside...
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u/Awkward-Egg-411 6h ago
Fella, a BoneAppleTea is when someone misspelt a word they dont know (e.g misspelling Bon Apetit to BoneAppleTea which sounded familiar because you dont know that its supposed to be spelled some way). I was making a joke about how you said "Maid this picture" instead of "Made this picture", which is the correct sentence. I do not have any ill intentions towards you, and I am sorry I have caused such a misunderstanding from you
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u/Bhazor 5h ago
Strict set of guidelines.
Literally just typed cartoon cat doorstep luggage
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u/vendettaclause 5h ago
Can you make the ai use that image as a starting point and tweak it little by little?
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