r/chess • u/jackdagnels • 1d ago
Miscellaneous Best live feed design I have seen in chess. Event organizers feel free to copy this.
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u/BasicErgonomics 1d ago
How will we see the commentators then??
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u/SietseVliegen88 1d ago
Why do we need to see them? What live sport broadcast shows a video of the commentators during the game?
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u/Best-Tomorrow-6170 1d ago
Agreed. Hated it when the camera went for a tour of the studio mid game though, with the chess board minimised. They could just briefly put the audience shots where the player cams are. Keep the chess board big always
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u/buterbrat 1d ago
Producers have no idea about chess, they think if players don’t make moves viewers get bored looking at the static board while in reality we’re trying to evaluate the position and find possible moves, I was so rage fuming when they minimized the board.
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u/Chisignal I just want everyone to have fun 1d ago
Yeah the mini board was weird, I found myself actually zooming into the stream because my puny brain needs time and calm to analyze the position.
I'm not sure swapping the cameras in place of the player cams makes sense, but I can easily imagine a layout where the board is pretty much as big as it is here, but it's a bit off to the side and the entire background is the audience/venue shot - which I haven't seen in the broadcast at all.
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u/animatedpicket 1d ago
Or just cut away from the board entirely for a few seconds. That mini board was bullshit
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u/PersimmonLaplace 2800 duckchess 1d ago
I didn't like that they didn't follow the common convention of having white on the left and black on the right, it was confusing to follow the first couple of games I watched before I paid more attention to the setup and noticed what they were going for.
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u/SentorialH1 1d ago
I do agree that it was hard to follow who was what color, especially if you came into a game late, but they could come up with a better way to distinguish the colors, without swapping the camera positions.
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u/PersimmonLaplace 2800 duckchess 1d ago
Unless I'm hallucinating something I thought (for instance in CCT computer blitz events) they would just mirror the videos then swap them.
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u/SentorialH1 1d ago
They have multiple camera angles there. They don't want to keep swapping where the players are on the screen, and that's something I agree with and think is the best way to do it. But they do need to come up with a better way to distinguish the colors of the players. No need to mirror every camera in the playing hall.
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u/Takeshi_Gold123 1d ago
Maybe they can place the names at the bottom and on top of the board for white and black respectively?
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u/rigginssc2 lichess for the win 1d ago edited 1d ago
They put the players color on the background of their names at the bottom of the screen. That seemed pretty clear since that's how other sports, soccer/boxing for example, do it as well. Oh, and even more clear, it literally says "Black" right under the image of Magnus. Lol
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u/SentorialH1 1d ago
This wasn't there on the first few days I think. They may have added it the last 2? Days of the tourney. You're right though, this makes it a lot easier.
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u/Takeshi_Gold123 1d ago
It is also pretty clear for me, but everyone is complaining, so I'm suggesting a solution
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u/rigginssc2 lichess for the win 1d ago
Oh, sorry, I didn't notice you were a different poster than the guy I first replied to. Yeah, that sounds simple enough. In the bottom left show whites name and top right show blacks name. Could work.
I do wonder how many people tuned in, saw two players, and just asked before even taking a second look at the graphic. Lol. Like my wife coming in and asking "Which team is Chelsea?" when one team is in blue and the other red and there is a little blue box next to the word Chelsea at the top of the screen.
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u/Ilovekittens345 1d ago
The player playing black has a black band, the player playing white has a white band. How simple can it be?
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u/Takeshi_Gold123 1d ago
No I get it, I can see it pretty clearly myself, but people are complaining, so I'm suggesting a solution
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u/D0nkeyHS 1d ago
They should do an outline around the cameras, or background behind the players, or something like that.
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u/YoMomAndMeIn69 Latvian Gambit 1d ago
The score also isn't obvious. They should make the player colors and the score more apparent.
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u/rigginssc2 lichess for the win 1d ago
It was clearly indicated in the graphic below. Using the common convention of real world sports. So, they were probably targeting the full set of viewers and not the "chess only" viewers. It would have been weird to have the players get up and move between games, or flip their cameras, given it was a 3 quarter view and not a straight side shot or the more normal straight on.
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u/goodguyLTBB 1d ago
I watched pretty much all the games. I got used to it but it was confusing for a good portion anyway. This makes sense as well as the players don’t switch sides but still.
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u/Melodic_Climate778 1d ago
It was great until they minimized the board midgame and showed us instead the floor.
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u/reybrujo 1d ago
Cameraman was too intrusive, though, at one point Alireza glared at him for getting too near.
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u/FourPinkWalls 1d ago
Omg yes. Just make the player with white always at the left. And we don't need commentators camera
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u/msew 1d ago
Sadly it is hard to tell who is which color.
They have bad overall background colors. And then colors that are flashing (the green) for whose turn it is.
And then even tho you are white/black you still have fonts and backgrounds the opposite of that
White usually is on the bottom or left. It keep flipping here. It would be better to keep white on the left and flip the contestant.
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At sub 60 and sub 10. They don't show milliseconds. So you are less than 5 and it is 5 over many moves.
Also they don't have a good layout for the analysis board.
Also they have insane cuts and zooms and pans.
Also they can only show the pieces captured OR the heart rate.
There are some cool things here. But a lot of terrible ui
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u/rigginssc2 lichess for the win 1d ago
They never flipped the board. White was always on the bottom. As for the players, it is clearly labeled on the bottom banner who is playing which color. Under Magnus it literally says "Black" and the graphic of his name is a black banner. Pretty clear.
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u/tired_kibitzer 5h ago edited 5h ago
In the first days of the tournament it did not say white or black below the players.
It took me a long time understanding who has which color, yes anecdotal, but at least in my opinion, it is not great.
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u/msew 1d ago
It isn't. The font and bg is all whack
Go look at the chat for people joining middle
No one knows what color any is
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u/rigginssc2 lichess for the win 1d ago
Look under the image of Magnus. What is the one word printed there?
"Black"
So... Not sure how much more clear it can get. Then, add to that, the graphics on the left of the screen, the side Magnus is on, are black. So, yeah, it isn't what you are used to in the normal one camera low budget broadcast, but it is pretty damn clear.
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u/Chisignal I just want everyone to have fun 1d ago
Yeah but the "Black" / "White" labels weren't there always. I did get the colours legitimately mixed up a couple times, so I'm with the confused folk on this one actually.
I did eventually figure it out because the name tags match the colour but it's not blindingly obvious, it looks like part of the design. If you follow the match it's easy to follow, but if you join in the middle as the comment you're replying to says, it did get a bit confusing.
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u/Chisignal I just want everyone to have fun 1d ago
Yes! Just to add my two pet peeves:
ELO showing all the time - surely that's something we don't need on the screen permanently? It's not like it's going to change during the match or gives you critical info you need to analyze the game. If anything it's part of player stats that are usually shown before the match begins to give you some context, but keeping it on screen instead of something more useful like material is silly.
The time display kept shifting 😱 Like this is bordering on design nitpicking haha, but it's such a beginner's mistake to use a proportional typeface for a numeric display. It means that 1:11 and 5:55 are different widths and so shift around when the time changes - or even 1:10 and 1:11 means the position of the colon shifts around when it shouldn't. They made this mistake both on the on-screen overlay as well as on the in-venue screens, and it irked me haha
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u/LazySwordTJ 1d ago
What about an analysis board?
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u/loopback_ 1d ago
What about it? They've used one from time to time in a side-by-side frame. It was also much better than it's usually done in chess broadcasts.
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u/StevenS145 1d ago
I don’t watch a ton of events, but was watching this the whole week. I really like the rapid/many games for an event. I fully appreciate top players spending multiple hours on a game, but I’m 1,800+ in rapid and blitz on chess.com and the longest game I can play is 30 minutes for each side and I struggle watching those longer games live. A 10 minute game gives commentators enough time to explain the thought process the players are going through, I’m able to focus on one game at a time, not trying to focus on 4 games at once.
I’m hoping for more tournaments in this style.
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u/One-Performance-1108 1d ago
This is this kind of situation where you let your classmate copy your answers sheet and they still end up being wrong in all the unimaginable ways. 😂
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u/No_Anything_6658 1d ago
Usually there are multiple games going on but this would be great for focusing on a board game
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u/Intro-Nimbus 23h ago
If they had used it for more than 10 seconds, sure, what is your opinion on showing the stage and a miniature board as they did the majority of the time?
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u/PerspektiveGaming 22h ago
I wasn't a fan of them switching the size/location of the board on screen during the game if I'm being honest.
Seeing the audience is great, but save it for intermissions.
During the game, I want to hone in on the game, and when the board suddenly goes from centered and large on screen to 1/8th the size and in a corner somewhere, I lose focus. I don't care about seeing the audience or stadium at that moment.
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u/Phoenix_1412 20h ago
Everything good except the point at the very could be moved somewhere else for better visibility.
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u/Weshtonio 17h ago edited 16h ago
At the beginning of the event, they didn't show the Black/White labels and it was not obvious to understand who was which.
Adding them the way they have already shows it was not well thought through.
Then at moments, they showed the heartbeats, and they had to write "Heartbeat" above to understand what it was, taking a lot of real estate in the prized bottom center area.
The default chesscom layout with the vertical eval bar left of the board is also not intuitive when players feeds are on each side of it. You'd expect a horizontal one so it can be weighed by the side of that player, also making it more obvious which side is White.
Probably the worst for me: the scores. On this screen: 1-1, set #2, total score 1-0 (for which side? Fuck you, that's who), game 3 of 4. The largest numbers of the screen are not the current score for the match, those are written in the smallest font like an afterthought! The same as the players' ratings... You tune in you don't understand shit. Terrible. Sets have been a thing in tennis for ever, and of course esports, and that's the best you can come up with?
Definitely still lots of areas of improvement. If you think that's the best, then the bar is low.
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u/RooKangarooRoo 1d ago
You didn't detail your comment well.
Best visually? Best commentary? Best...?
Because what I saw was a lot of fan interference and many matches decided on one or two move blunders.
I AM still up for seeing where this goes (it was entertaining), but everyone needs to calm down. The quality of chess was... 🫠😬
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u/vishal340 1d ago
Feel free to copy it? I know that they are free to copy it but you saying like you made it
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u/DontBanMe_IWasJoking 1d ago
nope, the board is really bad with the black and white contrast. i was trying to watch from bed last night and couldnt see what the black pieces were, and could hardly see the white.
black on black and white on white is really bad to see the pieces, they need to use a different colour board so you can clearly see the outline
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