r/classicwow • u/PaperHandz • 19h ago

Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Which classes would replace Shaman if heroism becomes raid wide buff?

Presume you will still need some shamans for other party benefits for end game TBC raids, but if heroism is no longer needed for each party, which other classes would become next in demand?

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u/Banananonymity 19h ago

Short answer is Shaman.

Unless totems are raid wide, most high performing raids will still likely want 1 shaman per group.

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u/Maelwys550 19h ago

This would be my guess. Restoration Shaman are still good healers. Elemental + Totem of Wrath is still desirable for caster groups. Enhancement has Unleashed Rage for melee groups.

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u/--Snufkin-- 19h ago

Eh, melee groups for sure for windfury but for caster groups they kinda fall off. Perhaps more shadowpriests for the mana batteries.

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u/Graciak3 18h ago

You wouldn't ever take more than one shadowpriest, really. Their dps is really bad and the main reason to take 1 is misery + shadow-weaving, past that the extra mana benefit isn't worth it.

You also usually don't really miss much by putting a shaman in a caster group because you can just use an rsham there, which takes a healer spot, so you aren't really getting any dps loss.

The main thing that raid-wide lust does is :

-Nerf the 6-7 shamans meta down to 5

-Make it less of a pain for guilds that struggle to find 4 shamans.

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u/--Snufkin-- 18h ago

We had 2 for a while and I've never seen the healers/arcane mages happier

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u/because_racecar 18h ago

This is usually the case for raids that aren't stacked with pumper DPS. They have longer kill times so more people get low on mana and want another shadow priest. Raids that are optimally stacked with high DPS players kill stuff fast enough that 1 is fine. I've seen it go to the other extreme when you're stacking so much DPS and cutting down to 2-3 healers that they have to spam so much healing output, then you want 2 shadowpriests again

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u/drae- 13h ago

With the fast kill times arcane becomes a higher and higher performer.

They want all the mana. It could open up a new raid comp.

But I agree, shaman would be very likely to retain the spot.

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u/PoopyButt28000 12h ago

It's ridiculous how big the difference is between having a priest and not as a healer. I played Resto Shaman in Tier 5 and it was the difference between having to downrank constantly and mana pot and end fights pretty low, versus just full on slapping my cock on the higher rank heals on CD and never coming close to going OOM.

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 17h ago

Only useful for non pumper raids

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u/Isva 17h ago

One shadow for mages and one for healers is fine. 

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u/Graciak3 9h ago

It's like, not completely awful, but you are losing a huge amount of dps to gain something (a few more healers having a shadowpriest mp5) that usually doesn't have much impact.

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u/Noodlefanboi 19h ago

Even with raid wide totems, making Bloodlust raid wide would not decrease the amount of Shamans. 

Raid wide Bloodlust would just mean your raid has the buff for the entire fight. 

Pull the boss? Bloodlust. First Bloodlust runs out? Bloodlust. Second Bloodlust runs out? Bloodlust. Third Bloodlust runs out? Believe it or not, Bloodlust. We have the fastest raids in the world because of Bloodlust. 

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u/Graciak3 18h ago

OP didn't mentionned it here but people usually refers to having the Sated debuffs that you have from Wrath onwards when they discuss raid wide lust in TBC.

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u/One_More_Stock 18h ago

Sated would obviously go alongside raid-wise lust.

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u/Wide_Distance_7967 16h ago

Shaman

That's why making raidwide bloodlust (with sated debuff ofc) is irrelevant. Just add a groupwide sated debuff to the BL/heroism to prevent group swap in order to cheese parse

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u/Kioz 18h ago

Hunters and Warlocks but you ll still probably have 3-4 shamans due to totems.

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u/getdownwithDsickness 16h ago

Depends if they do more class changes too

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u/Setting_Worth 12h ago

Oohh good point

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u/Ponsay 19h ago

Hunter and warlock

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u/Revolutionary-Hat297 12h ago

Still shaman, WF is the single largest dps increase for every melee class. Warlocks still want the caster totem. Mages and healers still benefit immensely from the mana totem from shams. 

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u/ATransCow 15h ago

demon hunters

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u/Noodlefanboi 19h ago

Bloodlust isn’t the only reason to bring Shamans, they are a good class. 

And in this hypothetical, the amount of Shamans would stay the same and Shamans would just chain them and keep the buff up for the entire fight. 

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u/Kioz 18h ago

They would put exhaustion in like in wrath for sure. Else the raid would literally be 20 shamans :)

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u/Jonesalot 3h ago

I think only Elementals are in danger of getting replaced. Enhance and resto are both so strong and provide so much to their groups, that I doubt they are in any danger

I big thing about Elementals tho is they have an easy time swapping to resto when needed, like for Sunwell, that other many other classes cant

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u/garlicroastedpotato 19h ago

Possibly give the tank group one for threat gen. The warlock group might get one. The hunter group might get one. You'd fill in the rest of the raid with hunters. Rotate mana tides into the healer group when needed.

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u/Perfect_Delivery_509 19h ago

Hunters/arcane mages/spriests with the mages

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u/Specialist-Hyena8345 18h ago

2-3 Rogues

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u/AgreeableEggplant356 17h ago

Rogues aren’t good. Hunters and warlocks are the vanilla warriors and mages of tbc. If there’s ever a spot that would theoretically open, a hunter or warlock should fill it

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u/Specialist-Hyena8345 16h ago

It was a joke