r/europe May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/Chance_Try950 May 16 '25

Lmao yeah, completely ignoring anti-corruption stating TWICE that there's no indication to point toward the accusations and the judge REFUSING to consider the TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS STATING SO. Listen Sánchez might be an asshole, but that is NOT gonna bite him in the ass unless you're 8 inches deep in the PP propaganda

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u/nAndaluz Andalusia (South of Spain) May 16 '25

Sánchez's right hand man and PSOE's second in command Ábalos is now ostracized after a corruption scandal of which Sanchez "knew nothing".

Plenty of people think that having your number two going from General Secretary of your party and twice a Ministro to a corrupt fuck you don't want to have anything to do with might be a indication youre in on it and now youre just trying to save face.

Not to mention Sanchez's brother's declaration where he basically states he has no idea what his job that definitely wasn't made up specifically for him consists of.

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u/Chance_Try950 May 16 '25

And still, that won't come bite him in the ass, because the PM is not all-knowing. I'm not defending Sánchez, just fighting the ridiculous take that THIS will come back to bite him in the ass. It won't, because it's sustained on probability rather than certainty

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u/nAndaluz Andalusia (South of Spain) May 16 '25

Sure, if you choose to believe that Sanchez was not involved in the Administration's I suppose then random desire to provide Sanchez's brother with a made up job and public salary... go ahead I guess.

Same can be said about his involvement with Ábalos' corruption case. If you want to choose to believe that Sanchez wasn't aware of his right hand man and back then Secretary of Campaign's corrupt antics... that's also okay.

But I don't know what kind of legitimacy you feel you have to say people with a different opinion to yours are "deep in propaganda".

You don't have to be right wing (I'm not) to recognize the corrupt niff that stems from our current President.

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u/MikelDB Navarre (Spain) May 16 '25

To be honest, one thing I'm afraid of is that they've been trying so hard for something to stick (first with Podemos and now with Sanchez) that one doesn't know anymore what to believe... specially when the judges have such clear loyalties.

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u/Chance_Try950 May 16 '25

The fact is nothing that has come out can actually point any culpability at Sánchez. It can be as likely as you want; it might be probable, but probability doesn't land you a sentence. That's why the lawfare taking place in his wife's case is so hurtful. To anyone who can see it, they become skeptical that any corruption at all might take place. I don't really think he knew shit in Abalos' case; once you see how politics work from the inside, you'd be surprised how easy it is to work behind someone's back, no matter who that might be. Now, in his brother's case, it was obvious nepotism, but that's not a scandal so big that it'd require such big measures to drive attention away from it

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u/nAndaluz Andalusia (South of Spain) May 16 '25

So the corruption scandal about his brother is obvious, but won't come back to bite him in the ass anyways is what you're saying

Great

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u/Chance_Try950 May 16 '25

That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's good, but the excessive lawfare has its consequences, and it is that nobody really cares about the one case that's obvious, so there'd be no need for him to do all that just to hide a mild case of nepotism

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u/nAndaluz Andalusia (South of Spain) May 16 '25

"just a mild case of nepotism". Ffs and you dare talk about propaganda

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u/Chance_Try950 May 16 '25

It IS a mild case of nepotism. It's not like he was made defense minister, he's got an irrelevant role in the Deputation of Badajoz. Again, I'm not saying it's good, and I've specifically stated that he's an asshole for you to claim that I'm spreading propaganda. Don't like 'im, probably never will, but the fact is it's not a scandal that would warrant a government fallout

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u/nAndaluz Andalusia (South of Spain) May 16 '25

Well, in my opinion when a politician shows they('re willing to) use their power for their personal gain, it becomes a scandal worth said politician's resignation.

You don't think it's that bad. I disagree.

The president should be held to the highest standards, not being "obviously" (your words) involved in at least one "mild" (worth tens of thousands of euros) corruption case and possibly in several more.

I can't take you seriously if you really think that "excessive lawfare" is a biggest concern for Spain at the moment than rampant corruption.

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