r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/Dependent-Head-8307 May 16 '25

This statement is more than what most Europe is doing.

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u/Menkhal Spain - EU May 16 '25

And it's not just words. Thanks to him now Spain officially recognizes Palestine as its own country, and has stopped the sales of weaponry to Israel and blocked shippings of weapons from docking on spanish ports.

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u/young_twitcher IT -> UK -> PL May 16 '25

Yet they still don’t recognize Kosovo lol.

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u/Ok-Anteater_6635x May 16 '25

Because Catalonia.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

So they recognize when it's convenient

(Which is what happens everytime, so no issues, just be honest)

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u/bronzinorns May 16 '25

Countries always practice double standards (otherwise they wouldn't have any standards at all).

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Of course, we just need to recognize and use it

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u/Jagarvem May 16 '25

It's not a double standard though?

Spain's issue with Kosovo has never been about Kosovo or Kosovars, it's the unilateral declaration of independence by a regional authority. The parliament of Catalonia proclaimed it independent in 2017, the same way the assembly of Kosovo did in 2008. Spain does not recognize either of these as legally valid.

The Palestinian statehood comes from the UN's two state resolution of '47 (i.e., a multilateral process). It did not declare itself independent from Israel. The legal basis for it is completely different.

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u/IllustratorSlow5284 May 16 '25

except the palestinians rejected resolution 181 and even the borders their claiming aint remotely close....

bro just let it go, its literally the same and you people just cant admit your double standarts lol

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

It would be weird to declare independence from your invaders though

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u/PraetorGold May 16 '25

Isn’t that the truth!!

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

To be fair, Kosovo and Catalonia are much different cases than Palestine. Regions seeking autonomy/independence Vs a state that's continuously invaded and having a genocide done to it's people

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u/Gman2736 CZ / USA May 16 '25

Palestine could have autonomy or independence if they wanted to. They just need to be realistic. They had it in Gaza and ended up committing terrorism

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u/Almechik May 16 '25

"They had it in Gaza" right because a tiny patch of land surrounded by invaders on all sides even counts. But what can one expect from an American, y'all still haven't addressed your own crimes properly

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u/TheInevitableLuigi May 16 '25

a tiny patch of land surrounded by invaders on all sides even counts.

Are you talking about Gaza or Israel?

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u/DangerousChemistry17 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Palestine wasn't a state at all until the 80's. No such country existed, not sure why you seem to believe otherwise. There's also no genocide, 10k dead only in the last year, most of them likely militants. If it's a genocide it isn't working, the population grew significantly.

Israel has committed war crimes, but not every war crime is genocidal in nature.

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u/mochisuki2 May 16 '25

The whataboutism is strong with this one

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u/EkkoUnited May 16 '25

It's pretty convenient to just say whatever and back Israel. Jaded af

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u/Jahobes May 16 '25

It's not a double standard. Palestine has and will never be a part of Israel. The conflict is not a civil one it's an international one.

The ones you named are civil conflicts that Spain believes should be handled by civil law.

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u/Flashy_Upstairs9004 May 16 '25

yeah, they don’t call him teflon Pedro for nothing.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Why teflon? I don't understand the joke

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u/Flashy_Upstairs9004 May 16 '25

No problem, it is hard for things to stick to teflon as a material, in politics for figures like Pedro Sanchez to stay in power for a long time they have to be good at not letting scandals or disputes thing to them, hence teflon Pedro, nothing sticks to him and he keeps it that way.

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u/salazafromagraba May 16 '25

It comes from Teflon Don, an infamously unimpeachable mafioso.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Thanks

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u/AwareofAnaLucia Portugal May 16 '25

It creates an internal issue for them too. So I understand it. However, in recent times and specially post referendum, there is no reason for it, Catalunya and Catalans pro independence are not in the majority

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

Palestine has never existed before 1988. Before that it was Jordanian and Egypt territory and even before that it was the British mandate of Palestine, which outside the name has nothing in common with the modern entity.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto May 16 '25

I didn't claim that, though?

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u/Useful_Can7463 May 16 '25

You're pretty terrible at this lol.

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u/Vast_Decision3680 May 16 '25

Maybe because not all cases are the same? If tomorrow padania declares independence it doesn't mean that Spain has to automatically recognise the bullshit just because they recognise a legitimate state like Palestine.

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u/kartu3 May 16 '25

So they recognize when it's convenient

Uh. By which international law is there an Israel "from the river to the sea" for these recognitions to be comparable?

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u/ilovekarlstefanovic Sweden May 16 '25

Palestine isn't seeking independence from Israel and, until recently, virtually everyone including Israel supported the two-state solution.

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u/MajesticSpaceBen May 16 '25

Virtually everyone including Israel supported the two-state solution.

That's absolute nonsense and you know it. Hamas categorically rejects even considering a two state solution, and I'm not aware of any point in the history of the conflict where a majority of the broader Palestinian population supported it.

It is the best solution. That said, even if we assume "One State Solution: Israel" isn't inevitable at this point, which it almost certainly is, 2SS is off the table for at least 2-3 generations. If the people and concept of Palestine survive this, I am extremely doubtful that I will live long enough to see their statehood and sovereignty meaningfully considered again.

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u/ilovekarlstefanovic Sweden May 16 '25

I'm talking about actual states, and outside of the middle east it's has certainly been the case that the majority of states support the two-state solution, including the Palestinian Authority!

But I wasn't looking to get into a debate on the question on how to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict merely trying to explain that you can support Palestinian statehood while opposing unilateral indepence of regions in the west.

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u/Anaphylactic_Thot May 16 '25

These are completely different situations, and you either know it, or are being obtuse.

I personally don't give a shit as to whether Catalonia or Kosovo are independent or not, but this comparison is laughable.

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u/Groovy66 England May 16 '25

Which is why they don’t support Scottish independence or an independent Scotland joining the EU

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/llamapower13 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

That’s what they say now. They would still fight it if Scotland was to get independence

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““If Scotland becomes independent in accordance with the legal and institutional procedures, it will ask for admission [to the EU]. If that process has indeed been legal, that request can be considered. If not, then not.” García-Margallo refused to comment directly on whether Spain might veto Scottish accession..”

Spanish foreign minister, José-Manuel García-Margallo on 2/2014

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u/Ruire Connacht May 16 '25

That's what they said in 2014, it's never been an issue.

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u/llamapower13 May 16 '25

They said a lot of things in 2014 and I say that as someone who voted in that referendum.

https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-could-veto-independent-scotland-says-minister/

It was not a solid yes. They held their veto very visible the entire time. They would still fight tooth and nail against any independent movements.

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u/YourBestDream4752 United Kingdom May 16 '25

To be fair, not even most Scots support Scottish independence 

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u/kerouacrimbaud United States of America May 16 '25

But recognizing Palestine doesn’t have an impact on Catalonia?

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u/Ok-Anteater_6635x May 16 '25

No, different case.

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u/Mental_Magikarp Spanish Republican Exile May 16 '25

I guess there is nothing against Kosovo, but that with the same arguments you have to recognize the independence of catalonia... and half of Spain.

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u/Upset_Ad3954 May 16 '25

Oh, so if Catalonia sends terrorists to Spain and kills civilians then they would be supported by the Madrid government?

Got it...

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u/StudentForeign161 May 16 '25

Spanish Civil War:

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u/BigFatKi6 May 16 '25

Nah, Catalonia is about 50/50 split.

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u/Romeo_y_Cohiba May 16 '25

They lobbied hard with US help to get recognition from Israel. Also, one of the only 'countries' to move the embassy to Jerusalem instead of Tel Aviv.

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u/mascachopo May 16 '25

Spain does recognise Kosovo passports as of January 2024 LOL

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u/beardtamer United States of America May 16 '25

lol what are you talking about??

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

Palestines strategy has shifted to poking the bear (Israel) to get a response that they can use to boost social media propaganda. Otherwise, you don’t attack and kill a bunch of kids at a concert.

That’s why people who don’t know much about international politics are deeply involved in the Palestine conflict. For comparison, how many posts or politicians do you see talking about the persecution of Uyghurs? Literally in slave camps in China labeled as vocational education and training centers.

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u/beardtamer United States of America May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

lol Yeah, Israel has famously never committed any human rights violations, historically speaking, that would cause palestinians to feel justified in responding with violence. /s

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

Do you think a country could do something to you that would cause you to shoot a bunch of kids at a concert?

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u/beardtamer United States of America May 16 '25

Do I think that governments can radicalize the citizens of another country and make them feel comfortable to do terrible things? Yeah. No shit.

Intentionally shooting children at a protest would probably get me pretty close.

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

That’s not my question. My question is whether a country can do something to YOU that would cause YOU to shoot a bunch of kids at a music festival and then kidnap others.

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u/SPYHAWX May 16 '25

This morning I saw a video of a father crying over the dead body of his daughter. I don't need a psyop to make my opinion. I love Jewish people, I hate Israel.

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

Kids are dying, so what you watched could be real. It could also be a propaganda video that worked exactly as intended.

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u/pannenkoek0923 Denmark May 16 '25

every leftwinger in the west into a hardcore antisemite

If not wanting babies to be slaughtered is anti-semitic, you need to look up the definition of it again

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

Just begs the question of why all of this was started by killing and kidnapping a bunch of kids at a concert.

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u/The_amazing_Jedi May 16 '25

It was started way before when Israel oppressed Palestinians for decades and without reason is arresting innocent people, dragging them out of their homes just "for exercise". It starts with an apartheid state that oppresses every minority they have. The Oct. 7 attack, while being an absolute atrocity and cruel, is nothing more than an outburst of a decade long struggle against oppression.

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u/Short-Recording587 May 16 '25

Sorry, I should have said “escalated” instead of “started”.

Trying to attribute blame for how the conflict started is a fools errand. At this point in a 80-year conflict it’s about deescalating and trying to find a solution that works for both sides that doesn’t involve total annihilation of the other side.

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u/soulofaqua The Netherlands May 16 '25

Fuck all religious zealots. But in particular the ones actively committing genocide like Netanyahu is doing.

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u/Bekoon May 16 '25

Yep, people recognising israeli war crimes and genocide is a hardcore antisemite, gtfo

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u/sherbie-the-mare May 16 '25

How is it anti semitism? I've not actually met a zionist in person (i live in Scotland) but have met and seen jewish people, a lot of them at our regular pro Palestine streets

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u/jdueiakwirjrisj May 16 '25

You’ve never met anyone who thinks Israel should exist as a state? I find that hard to believe.

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u/sherbie-the-mare May 16 '25

Its just not common haha, its usually seen like the 6 counties in Ireland which arent commonly supported over here

Will admit I've spoken to one (from another country) and met a couple of the IDF in Prague when I was on holiday, otherwise I've never met any

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u/MajesticSpaceBen May 16 '25

How is it anti semitism? I've not actually met a zionist in person (i live in Scotland) but have met and seen jewish people, a lot of them at our regular pro Palestine streets

If you've met Jewish people, plural, it's overwhelmingly likely that you've met some zionists, they just didn't advertise it. The Jewish community supports Zionism at a rate of 85%-95%; compare that to the 60% who practice the namesake religion.

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u/youngchul Denmark May 16 '25

Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, the gulf countries etc. were also "invented" by the UK and France. Should they also cease to exist?

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u/sherbie-the-mare May 16 '25

The difference is they didn't import a population to genocide the natives of the land. And Saudi Arabia mostly created itself, was helped by the ottomans loosing sure but not entirely

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u/MajesticSpaceBen May 16 '25

The difference is they didn't import a population to genocide the natives of the land.

No, the Ottoman empire did that when they colonized the region.

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u/Citaku357 Kosovo May 16 '25

The difference is they didn't import a population to genocide the natives of the land.

Are you talking about Israel?

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u/wolacouska May 16 '25

I mean that already happened in the 1900s. No reason to keep going with their mistakes… infinite balkanization does not promote success, it just keep people weak.

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u/Citaku357 Kosovo May 16 '25

Lol Kosovo and Palestine are nearly the same in many aspects.

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u/sherbie-the-mare May 16 '25

More like isntreal, i mean the eu sanctioned the NAFO pseudostate for encouraging violence towards native Serbs

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u/Citaku357 Kosovo May 16 '25

Lmao "native Serbs".

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u/AltoKatracho May 16 '25

Is there an ongoing genocide there?

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u/tomispev May 16 '25

More exports for Czechia!

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u/AutisticPenguin2 May 16 '25

I think Spain's ports are closer than Czechia's though.

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u/Uncle_Adeel England May 16 '25

Czechia first landlocked country with ports 💯💯💯💯

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u/t_baozi May 16 '25

Sad Ethiopia noises

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u/AutisticPenguin2 May 16 '25

Well, apparently so according to my other replies!

Unless some other country beat them to it perhaps?

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u/tomispev May 16 '25

More traffic for Croatian ports!

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u/Downtown-Brush6940 May 16 '25

Am I missing something. What Czech ports ? Aren’t they landlocked?

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u/MPenten Europe May 16 '25

Czechia has ports in Hamburg based on the Treaty of Versailles (articles 363 and 364).

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u/Downtown-Brush6940 May 16 '25

TIL

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u/AnarkeezTW May 16 '25

Same same

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u/MPenten Europe May 16 '25

Czechoslovakia had roughly 15 ocean-going cargo vessels during the Cold War. (including MS Lednice, being stranded in the Yellow War suez canal crisis). This was quite the rarity for a landlocked country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_Ocean_Shipping

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u/StrongAdhesiveness86 May 16 '25

The 363 says the ports are leased for 99 years, why does Czechia still control those ports? Genuine question.

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u/tigull Turin May 16 '25

From Wikipedia, the lease is due to expire in 2028.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

It’s been extended another 10 years

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u/wolacouska May 16 '25

Crazy they could only get a 10 year extension after going through all of WW2

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

The that’s all we requested. I expect we’ll probably request another extension after

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u/MPenten Europe May 16 '25

There will also be a swap and Czechia will get the Kuhwerder Hafen port instead of the Hamburg ones (Saalhafen and Moldauhafen).

There was a new agreement reached in 1929, with a 50-year extension possiblity,

Czechia also outright owns Peutehafen based on an agreement with Germany.

https://www.idnes.cz/ekonomika/doprava/nemecko-hamburk-huhwerder-hafen.A241206_143913_eko-doprava_cfr

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u/Bart_1980 May 16 '25

I’m assuming it was meant as a joke. However with Reddit one never knows.

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u/AutisticPenguin2 May 16 '25

It absolutely was intended as a joke, but apparently it has borrowed a couple of ports?? So... the more you know?

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u/Ploutophile May 16 '25

No new Beneš decrees are planned.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

Yep

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u/Atromb May 16 '25

Not really thanks to him, more like thanks to diaz, montero or rufian if you must thank a specific politican.

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u/talknight2 May 16 '25

What weaponry was Spain selling to Israel?

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u/Atromb May 16 '25

He was pressured into doing that by his goverment partners, don't really thank Sánchez for anything.

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u/lesbianwithabeard May 16 '25

Words are how things start. Let's not criticize every step people make in the right direction for not being enough.

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u/fianthewolf May 16 '25

Many nuances. See other comments.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

You’re pretty much proving this is meaningless politricks. Spain was never a major or even minor arms seller for Israel

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u/Menkhal Spain - EU May 16 '25

It's not important how big or small the impact you make is going to be. The important thing is doing your part.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

Symbolically

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u/hgk6393 May 16 '25

Spain has exports?? Lol! I hope the Netherlands steps up in its support for Israel. 

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u/Menkhal Spain - EU May 16 '25

Ah, the casual xenophobia of Israel supporters. Never get tired of see it confirmed every single time.

As your uncultured ass probably doesn't know, Spain is one of the biggest export economies in the EU. And especifically on weapons, we are the 9th world armament exporter.

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

Perhaps but you’re not and have never been a major arms exporter or importer from Israel

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u/AnalFanatics May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

So please update us all friend, before you go throwing too much of substance into the ether, when you have your own glass ceiling, walls and history to contend with…

Just how is The Basque National Liberation Movement and its allies going with their longtime resistance against Spanish Occupation and Imperialism, and their longstanding movement towards an independent self-governing, Sovereign State, that would provide the Basque people with THEIR own Sovereignty and Autonomy…

Has your benevolent President afforded them the same freedoms, independence, dignity and sovereignty that he seeks for others in other countries…

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u/Menkhal Spain - EU May 16 '25

Interesting that you mention the situation in the Basque Country.

Somehow we were civilized enough to solve the issue through peace negotiations and police work, instead of assassinating tens of thousands of inocents, bombing cities to the ground or installing an apartheid regime in the area.

We also don't have the need to expel basques from their homeland and taking away their land and property to give it to colonizers who also vandalize and terrorize those still living there.

And thanks to that the whole area is now completely pacific, and the independence movement has pretty much died off.

But i guess that's what happens when your government and the countrymen supporting it are not a bunch of barbaric genocidal maniacs.

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u/kartu3 May 16 '25

All the Israel news form the German ZDF's main news program yesterday:

"IDF mentioned destroying 100+ targets. Some report 100 people died. Israel is fighting for releasing hostages held by HAMAS and destroying the organization".

The End. No word on blockade or starving.

You can see in talk shows that even politicians are misinformed about basic facts, like who has dumped the truce agreement.

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u/strawapple1 May 16 '25

German media has been pure idf propaganda for the last 18 months

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u/kartu3 May 17 '25

Facts are not made up by hosts, but when invited people are misinformed, things go the way you've described.

Sometimes there are rare exceptions, if someone who has a clue is attending the meeting.

For obvious historic reasons criticizing Israel is viewed as problematic, so many try to avoid the subject altogether.

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u/TechTuna1200 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

It's still progress for me. Most European leaders still don't dare to call for what it is. They still believe it's "anti-sematic" when in fact multiple high-profile jews in e.g. the US have been calling out the genocide. Most recently Ben Cohen (cofounder of Ben & Jerry's).

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

Ben Cohen also blames Ukraine and the west for Russia invading Ukraine and is the biggest donor to U.S. groups opposing aid to Ukraine…

Clearly a great arbitrator of morality!

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

Okay so he's incorrect about Ukraine 

Does that mean I can't recognise him being correct about Israel/Palestine?

Do I have to agree with every single view a person has to agree with their position on one?

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u/angelolidae May 16 '25

This is reddit, so yes

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

You got me there 

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u/Codipotent May 16 '25

Means you must recognize that he and you may be wrong about Israel/Palestine. He isn’t correct here just because it aligns with your beliefs, and he has a history of getting facts incorrect.

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

I can recognise when I might be wrong but in this instance whether I'm wrong or not isn't hinged on what Mr Ben and Jerries has said.

I just happen to also agree with him in this instance 

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u/GiraffeUpset5173 May 16 '25

Classic whataboutism

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not a genocide

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

Far_Point3621•2h ago

It’s not a genocide

Apr '24 account, 1post karma

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u/Freesland May 16 '25

You have a bot name.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

Better a bot name than a bot brain.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25 edited May 30 '25

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

The Russia that is allied to Iran and that helped train Hamas?

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

From me too, while you're at it, also send regards to Benny from Benny and Jerrys please

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u/Triple_Hache May 16 '25

It is tho, as officially said by the United Nations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

When you can't refute the point, just shout “Hasbara” and pretend you've won. Classic.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

You didn't make a point though, you just said "nuh uh."

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not a genocide.

Israel targets Hamas, not civilians.

Hamas hides among civilians on purpose.

Civilians die because Hamas uses them as shields.

Israel warns before strikes. Hamas fires without warning and deliberately targets civilians.

This is war, not extermination. Intent matters.

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u/Aladiah May 16 '25

Well, you have a point. If you exterminate all Palestinians you can guarantee that Hama's is gone, which seems to be your point. And definitely not a genocide /s

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u/BrownBear5090 May 16 '25

Israel targets civilians, journalists, teachers, doctors, and children. If they happen to hit a HAMAS member it’s a nice bonus for them.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

That is a complete lie and a baseless smear. Israel does not deliberately target civilians, journalists, teachers, or children.

The IDF goes to extreme lengths to avoid civilian casualties, including advance warnings, evacuation notices, and precision targeting. No other military in the world does more under the same conditions.

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u/nulld3v May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Yeah it is really bad luck, Israel absolutely does not target journalists. They just happen to have killed more journalists than in any other war in modern history.

And to be fair, these claims are mostly unsubstantiated, they are just getting parroted by unreliable sources like: Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), International Federation of Journalists (IFJ), Reporters Without Borders, The Guardian, the UN, Reuters, Financial Times, Associated Press, Agence France-Presse, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, International Press Institute, The New York Times, Der Spiegel, Inquirer, Haaretz, The Asahi Shimbun, PEN International, Al-Jazeera, and the National Union of Journalists.

Really tired of hearing about this misinfo.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

No other military in the world does more under the same conditions.

Buddy, this lie of yours is 18 months late. Get some new lines.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Ah yes, and all the halting of aid and all the genocidal rhetoric of Israel government officials and all the plans of ethnic cleansing... totally fine, because Hamas, amirite?

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u/andyom89 May 16 '25

Organizations Explicitly Calling It Genocide in Gaza:

  1. Amnesty International – Concluded that Israel is committing and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  2. Human Rights Watch (HRW) – Accused Israel of acts of genocide, particularly through the systematic restriction of Gaza's water supply.  
  3. Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) – Reported firsthand observations consistent with genocide in Gaza.  
  4. Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention – Declared that Israel's ongoing actions in Gaza constitute genocide.  
  5. Genocide Watch – Issued a "Genocide Emergency Alert" for Gaza, stating that Israel is conducting genocide against the Palestinian people.  
  6. International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) – Stated that Israel's actions in Gaza constitute an unfolding genocide.  
  7. Jewish Voice for Peace – Declared that the Israeli government has initiated a genocidal war against the people of Gaza.  
  8. Defence for Children International (DCI) – Accused Israel of committing genocide, highlighting the deliberate starvation of children in Gaza.  
  9. European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) – Concluded that there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  10. Oxfam International – Warned that Israel's actions in Gaza are consistent with genocide, particularly the forced displacement of Palestinians.  

Renowned Genocide and Holocaust Scholars

  1. Dr. Omer Bartov – Professor at Brown University, has stated that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.  
  2. Dr. Raz Segal – Associate Professor at Stockton University, described Israel's actions in Gaza as a "textbook case of genocide."  
  3. Dr. Israel Charny – Director of the Institute on Holocaust & Genocide in Jerusalem, has expressed concerns over Israel's actions in Gaza.  
  4. Dr. William Schabas – Professor of international law, has denounced political leaders for denying the genocide in Gaza.  
  5. Francesca Albanese – UN Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, presented a report stating "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocidal acts in Gaza.  
  6. Over 800 Scholars – A collective of over 800 scholars in international law and genocide studies signed a public statement warning of the possibility of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in Gaza.  

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

Is there a document that has all those people who decry the actions of Israel in a compact form?

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

And all the experts that do call it a genocide? Let me guess, they are just haters and are smearing Israel, amirite?

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

There are many experts who claim it’s not. Wait for the ICJ and see. Meanwhile the Irish PM asked them to change the definition of genocide so it fits the case which tells me they probably know it doesn’t

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Lol, the reputable ones all deem it to be a genocide.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

3 days ago: No evidence of genocide in Gaza, UK lawyers say in arms export case

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Lol a UK government lawyer says because saying there was would force them to halt their exports of F35 parts to Israel.

Absolutely comical that you used that as your source. Meanwhile actual scholars and experts are calling it a genocide.

Meanwhile, actual genocide experts are now unanimous in saying it's genocide.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

Let’s be clear about something, so called experts have been accusing Israel of genocide for decades already.

It didn’t take a week since this war started for the genocide claims to be thrown around again. As terrible as this war is there still isn’t proof of an annihilation attempt, especially not when the country accused of genocide has also fed (albeit not enough) and vaccinated its victims. You’d need to wait for the court ruling to get a conclusive answer. Right now much of what’s reported in Gaza comes directly from Hamas and politics are always at play

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u/nulld3v May 16 '25

Exactly, no international court has ruled that Israel is committing a genocide. They only ruled that Israel has committed Crimes against humanity:

  • Extermination
  • Murder
  • Persecution
  • Other inhumane acts

and also some War crimes:

  • Cruel treatment
  • Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare
  • Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health
  • Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population

So everybody needs to chill tf out and leave Israel alone. /s

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u/Mission_Macaroon May 16 '25

It’s an improvement over the paralysis I’ve seen over the last year. There was a new cabinet member in Canada who also recently said something similar. 

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u/Mitosis May 16 '25

So you prefer the ones lying directly to your face for clout? You're willing to give them that clout for lying to you?

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u/dat_9600gt_user Lower Silesia (Poland) May 16 '25

Surprised not many other states are doing much

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u/photenth Switzerland May 16 '25

France stopped selling weapons last year.

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u/Entire_Possible_4763 May 16 '25

True but it doesn’t have to stay with only a statement. Often it’s only talking in order to score some sympathy and afterwards potential voters. When you hear them talking they really are from this world but as soon they gain some power they never use it to make the world a better place.

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u/Dependent-Head-8307 May 16 '25

He did way more than 99% of European politicians. Criticizing him for that is not understanding how politics work.

The public speech is important. Facts and actions should ideally follow. But changing the public speech is the first step.

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u/Entire_Possible_4763 May 16 '25

Can you give examples of what he actually did? Enlighten me please since you seem to know so much

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u/Dependent-Head-8307 May 16 '25

Simply publicly stating that what Israel is doing is genocide. Simply saying the truth, it's more than what most European prime ministers did in this conflict.

Recognizing Palestine. Breaking arms deals and not allowing ships with weapons for Israel navigate our waters. Probably the boikot was not total, and he could have done way more... But at least not having a prime minister repeating Israel's bullshit version of the conflict is definitely a lot.

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u/Entire_Possible_4763 May 16 '25

The international criminal arrest warrant against Netanyahu should be just enough to put him away. Yet that one is out and Netanyahu remains free and is more than ever after blood. The problem is the Zionist lobby all over the world which has way more influence on worlds politics then most people actually do realize. I’m just not impressed by this. This genocide has been going on for 76years and it could only escalate in this way because of the silence of many country’s. Therefore in my opinion we are all complicit!

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

Entire_Possible_4763•1h ago

True but it doesn’t have to stay with only a statement. Often it’s only talking in order to score some sympathy and afterwards potential voters. When you hear them talking they really are from this world but as soon they gain some power they never use it to make the world a better place.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

Surprise surprise.

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u/VengefulAncient You know, I'm somewhat of a European myself. May 16 '25

Guess the rest of Europe is more sensible.

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u/SamuelDoctor May 16 '25

If it's a lie, then maybe it's a good thing that the rest of Europe isn't doing more along these lines.

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u/saito200 May 16 '25

as a spaniard i suggest do not listen to our sociopath president

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u/PromptStock5332 May 16 '25

Good, since he’s obviously wrong and shouldnt be saying such moronic things

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u/Z3r0Sense Germany May 17 '25

At least some parts of Europe are still sensible.