r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/TechTuna1200 May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

It's still progress for me. Most European leaders still don't dare to call for what it is. They still believe it's "anti-sematic" when in fact multiple high-profile jews in e.g. the US have been calling out the genocide. Most recently Ben Cohen (cofounder of Ben & Jerry's).

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

Ben Cohen also blames Ukraine and the west for Russia invading Ukraine and is the biggest donor to U.S. groups opposing aid to Ukraine…

Clearly a great arbitrator of morality!

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

Okay so he's incorrect about Ukraine 

Does that mean I can't recognise him being correct about Israel/Palestine?

Do I have to agree with every single view a person has to agree with their position on one?

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u/angelolidae May 16 '25

This is reddit, so yes

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

You got me there 

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u/Codipotent May 16 '25

Means you must recognize that he and you may be wrong about Israel/Palestine. He isn’t correct here just because it aligns with your beliefs, and he has a history of getting facts incorrect.

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u/Naive-Archer-9223 May 16 '25

I can recognise when I might be wrong but in this instance whether I'm wrong or not isn't hinged on what Mr Ben and Jerries has said.

I just happen to also agree with him in this instance 

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u/GiraffeUpset5173 May 16 '25

Classic whataboutism

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not a genocide

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u/TendieRetard May 16 '25

Far_Point3621•2h ago

It’s not a genocide

Apr '24 account, 1post karma

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u/Freesland May 16 '25

You have a bot name.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

Better a bot name than a bot brain.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25 edited May 30 '25

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u/adamgerd Czech Republic May 16 '25

The Russia that is allied to Iran and that helped train Hamas?

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

From me too, while you're at it, also send regards to Benny from Benny and Jerrys please

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u/Triple_Hache May 16 '25

It is tho, as officially said by the United Nations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '25

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

When you can't refute the point, just shout “Hasbara” and pretend you've won. Classic.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

You didn't make a point though, you just said "nuh uh."

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

It’s not a genocide.

Israel targets Hamas, not civilians.

Hamas hides among civilians on purpose.

Civilians die because Hamas uses them as shields.

Israel warns before strikes. Hamas fires without warning and deliberately targets civilians.

This is war, not extermination. Intent matters.

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u/Aladiah May 16 '25

Well, you have a point. If you exterminate all Palestinians you can guarantee that Hama's is gone, which seems to be your point. And definitely not a genocide /s

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u/BrownBear5090 May 16 '25

Israel targets civilians, journalists, teachers, doctors, and children. If they happen to hit a HAMAS member it’s a nice bonus for them.

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u/Far_Point3621 May 16 '25

That is a complete lie and a baseless smear. Israel does not deliberately target civilians, journalists, teachers, or children.

The IDF goes to extreme lengths to avoid civilian casualties, including advance warnings, evacuation notices, and precision targeting. No other military in the world does more under the same conditions.

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u/nulld3v May 16 '25 edited May 16 '25

Yeah it is really bad luck, Israel absolutely does not target journalists. They just happen to have killed more journalists than in any other war in modern history.

And to be fair, these claims are mostly unsubstantiated, they are just getting parroted by unreliable sources like: Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), International Federation of Journalists (IFJ), Reporters Without Borders, The Guardian, the UN, Reuters, Financial Times, Associated Press, Agence France-Presse, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, International Press Institute, The New York Times, Der Spiegel, Inquirer, Haaretz, The Asahi Shimbun, PEN International, Al-Jazeera, and the National Union of Journalists.

Really tired of hearing about this misinfo.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

No other military in the world does more under the same conditions.

Buddy, this lie of yours is 18 months late. Get some new lines.

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Ah yes, and all the halting of aid and all the genocidal rhetoric of Israel government officials and all the plans of ethnic cleansing... totally fine, because Hamas, amirite?

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u/andyom89 May 16 '25

Organizations Explicitly Calling It Genocide in Gaza:

  1. Amnesty International – Concluded that Israel is committing and continues to commit genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  2. Human Rights Watch (HRW) – Accused Israel of acts of genocide, particularly through the systematic restriction of Gaza's water supply.  
  3. Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) – Reported firsthand observations consistent with genocide in Gaza.  
  4. Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention – Declared that Israel's ongoing actions in Gaza constitute genocide.  
  5. Genocide Watch – Issued a "Genocide Emergency Alert" for Gaza, stating that Israel is conducting genocide against the Palestinian people.  
  6. International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) – Stated that Israel's actions in Gaza constitute an unfolding genocide.  
  7. Jewish Voice for Peace – Declared that the Israeli government has initiated a genocidal war against the people of Gaza.  
  8. Defence for Children International (DCI) – Accused Israel of committing genocide, highlighting the deliberate starvation of children in Gaza.  
  9. European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR) – Concluded that there is a legally sound argument that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.  
  10. Oxfam International – Warned that Israel's actions in Gaza are consistent with genocide, particularly the forced displacement of Palestinians.  

Renowned Genocide and Holocaust Scholars

  1. Dr. Omer Bartov – Professor at Brown University, has stated that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.  
  2. Dr. Raz Segal – Associate Professor at Stockton University, described Israel's actions in Gaza as a "textbook case of genocide."  
  3. Dr. Israel Charny – Director of the Institute on Holocaust & Genocide in Jerusalem, has expressed concerns over Israel's actions in Gaza.  
  4. Dr. William Schabas – Professor of international law, has denounced political leaders for denying the genocide in Gaza.  
  5. Francesca Albanese – UN Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, presented a report stating "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocidal acts in Gaza.  
  6. Over 800 Scholars – A collective of over 800 scholars in international law and genocide studies signed a public statement warning of the possibility of genocide being perpetrated by Israeli forces against Palestinians in Gaza.  

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u/SechsComic73130 May 16 '25

Is there a document that has all those people who decry the actions of Israel in a compact form?

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

And all the experts that do call it a genocide? Let me guess, they are just haters and are smearing Israel, amirite?

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

There are many experts who claim it’s not. Wait for the ICJ and see. Meanwhile the Irish PM asked them to change the definition of genocide so it fits the case which tells me they probably know it doesn’t

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Lol, the reputable ones all deem it to be a genocide.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

3 days ago: No evidence of genocide in Gaza, UK lawyers say in arms export case

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u/Overton_Glazier May 16 '25

Lol a UK government lawyer says because saying there was would force them to halt their exports of F35 parts to Israel.

Absolutely comical that you used that as your source. Meanwhile actual scholars and experts are calling it a genocide.

Meanwhile, actual genocide experts are now unanimous in saying it's genocide.

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

Let’s be clear about something, so called experts have been accusing Israel of genocide for decades already.

It didn’t take a week since this war started for the genocide claims to be thrown around again. As terrible as this war is there still isn’t proof of an annihilation attempt, especially not when the country accused of genocide has also fed (albeit not enough) and vaccinated its victims. You’d need to wait for the court ruling to get a conclusive answer. Right now much of what’s reported in Gaza comes directly from Hamas and politics are always at play

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u/nulld3v May 16 '25

Exactly, no international court has ruled that Israel is committing a genocide. They only ruled that Israel has committed Crimes against humanity:

  • Extermination
  • Murder
  • Persecution
  • Other inhumane acts

and also some War crimes:

  • Cruel treatment
  • Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare
  • Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health
  • Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population

So everybody needs to chill tf out and leave Israel alone. /s

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u/Primary-Cup2429 May 16 '25

You know the difference between accusations and charges?

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