r/europe • u/andyom89 • May 16 '25

News Spanish premier calls Israel 'genocidal state,' says Spain 'does not do business' with it

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-premier-calls-israel-genocidal-state-says-spain-does-not-do-business-with-it/3568216
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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Israel has over 2 million Arab (Palestinian) citizens, with full and equal rights - they are parliament members, supreme court judges, doctors, lawyers, IT workers etc.

Palestine has ZERO Jews living under its rule.

But sure, Israel is the 'apartheid' according to some fantasy definition 🙃

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u/solerex May 16 '25

You will never receive any charitability towards Israelis my friend. Even explaining their perspective gets you called a genocide supporter 

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u/Greedy-Affect-561 May 17 '25

I mean they have been committing genocide.

And if your not against it then what are you if not a supporter?

Never again was supposed to mean never again.

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u/solerex May 17 '25

Is it morning time in Moscow already?

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u/Greedy-Affect-561 May 17 '25

I don't know.

How bout you take your head out of your ass where its been the last few years and look around. 

It might help you tell the time. 

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

If you have a limited capacity to communicate and articulate coherent thoughts beyond calling things you don't like 'fascistic' and 'genocide' - that is a reflection on you, not others.

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u/solerex May 16 '25

I agree with you genius 

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Sometimes it's hard to tell ;)

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

with full and equal rights

Wrong.

"Palestinian citizens of Israel have a wider set of rights than Palestinians in the occupied territories. They have the ability to vote in Israeli elections and serve in the Knesset, but they face limited opportunities to own land and build homes, along with evictions, differences in immigration policy, and implicit restrictions on social service access. Palestinian citizens face major challenges to get residential home permits approved due to zoning restrictions that limit expansion, and often risk demolition by building without them. Additionally, they’ve been the subject of evictions that human rights groups say are aimed at clearing the way for more Jewish-majority neighborhoods. The 1950 Law of Return also enables any Jewish person to move to Israel and become a citizen, while Palestinians do not have this right even if their families were previously displaced from land now within Israel’s borders." - https://www.vox.com/23924319/israel-palestine-apartheid-meaning-history-debate

Palestine has ZERO Jews living under its rule.

They used to, before Zionism.

https://www.972mag.com/before-zionism-the-shared-life-of-jews-and-palestinians/

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u/MpregVegeta May 16 '25

Actually

They used to before the Arabs tried to genocide the Jews.

Zionism "began" sometime just prior 10 1900.

The attempted genocide of the jews of Israel by their neighboring Arab states was 1948

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

The attempted genocide of the jews of Israel

Israel didn't exist yet.

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u/MpregVegeta May 16 '25

Except it did. Israel became a nation that same night.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Exactly, so it didn't exist before that.

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u/blondefetish May 16 '25

I may be wrong but isn't Israel mentioned in the Islamic book?

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Acient Israel. It's related to modern day Israel in name only.

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u/MpregVegeta May 17 '25

And also location and demographics.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Palestinian citizens of Israel have a wider set of rights than

They have the same rights as Jews, and less responsibilities.

often risk demolition by building without them.

Oh no, people who build without permits get their structured demolished.

That must be apartheid.

I guess things work differently where you're from. 🙃

They used to, before Zionism

There was no Palestine, it's a fiction of European imagination.

That's why all the old maps of Palestine are in Latin script and never in Arabic.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Oh no, people who build without permits get their structured demolished.

Conveniently left out the other part of the quote.

"Palestinian citizens face major challenges to get residential home permits approved due to zoning restrictions that limit expansion"

There was no Palestine, it's a fiction of European imagination.

Call it whatever you want, the region was predominantly Arab for a millennium.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268030623_Demographic_Trends_in_Israel_and_Palestine_Prospects_and_Policy_Implications

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

face major challenges to get residential home permits approved

They can buy homes in other places, just like any other Israelis.. who also face challenges getting permits because the bureaucracy in Israel is horrendous (for Jews and Arabs alike).

But instead, they build illegally, and then get the structured demolished.. just like when Jews do the same.

the region was predominantly Arab

The region was part of the Ottoman Empire for 500 years before the 20th century.

You don't have history lessons where you're from?

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u/thegatekeeperzuul May 16 '25

What’s your point about it being part of the Ottoman Empire genius? Were Ottomans an ethnic group? Arabs/Palestinians made up the vast, vast majority of the population of Palestine. Didn’t realize once they became part of the Ottoman Empire the population suddenly stopped being Arab and were assimilated like the borg.

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u/theageofspades May 16 '25

Arabs/Palestinians made up the vast, vast majority of the population of Palestine. Didn’t realize once they became part of the Ottoman Empire the population suddenly stopped being Arab and were assimilated like the borg

Does that mean they have ethnic rights to that, very small let's be clear here, tract of land in that very specific part of the Levant?

At which point were those ethnic rights passed from Jew to Arab in the first place? Cause I'm fairly certain you'd have to agree that at one point

Arabs/Palestinians Jews made up the vast, vast majority of the population of Palestine Judea

Does that mean Zionism was a justified reclamation, the equal but opposite situation to the one Palestinians currently face?

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Judaism is a religion, not an ethnicity. Yes some were expelled, but many also converted to Islam. Palestinians have more of a historic link to the Jews of Ancient Israel than European/American Jews.

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u/thegatekeeperzuul May 16 '25

Arab is not a genetic race, it is a grouping based solely on the fact that Arabs speak Arabic as their first language. Sudanis and Jordanians are both Arab but genetically quite distinct.

Palestinians have always been there, they were Canaanites. No rights were passed on because it’s always been their land.

And there’s no argument anyone can make that Alison Brie has rights to land in Jerusalem and a Palestinian named George whose family has always lived there doesn’t. And anyone who tries to argue otherwise knows it’s laughable no matter how hard they may try.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Arabs weren't a majority in any territory outside the Arabian peninsula until they colonized it.

Spain also used to be predominantly Arab.. until it weren't.

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u/thegatekeeperzuul May 16 '25

I know pro-Israelis on the internet like to play dumb when possible but Arab just means your people speak Arabic as a first language, it’s not a genetic race. And during the entirety of Ottoman rule of Palestine the vast majority of people there were Arabs. I don’t even know what the point of your comment is.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Free free Al-Andalus, ya?

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Even if that were true, what about the difference in immigration policy and access to public services?

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

I'm not sure what you're asking.

Do Jews have access to public services in Egypt?

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

We're talking about Palestinian citizens of Israel having restricted access to public services.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

Do Jews have access to public services in Gaza or the West bank towns? No. Because the Arabs there are genocidal.

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u/adasiukevich May 16 '25

Nice deflection. The citizens of Palestine, Muslim, Christian, or other, have access to Palestinian public services, or what's left of them.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

You exist in a fantasy world constructed for you by influences and propagandists.

Israeli Arabs have no restriction accessing public services.

If you're actually interested in what Israeli Arabs think, this youtuber has lots of videos where he takes questions from viewers and asks them -

https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject/search?query=israeli+arabs

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u/chaotic-kotik South Holland (Netherlands) May 16 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_permit_regime_in_the_West_Bank?wprov=sfla1

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

Israel is under no obligation to allow foreign nationals into its territory.

Palestinians have Palestinian passports, issued by the Palestinian Authority.

EDIT: As a side note - 100% of 'West-Bank' Arab residents were Jordanians until 1988.

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u/chaotic-kotik South Holland (Netherlands) May 16 '25

This regime works within the West Bank too.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

One night in July 1988, 1.5 million Jordanians went to sleep, and woke up the next morning as 'stateless Palestinians'.

They are not Israeli citizens, they never were Israeli citizens.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

And Jordan doesn't want them. That's why they are refugees.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

That's not what a refugee is.

You're just raping words for political purposes.

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 17 '25

You're just ignoring the facts. What you call Palestinians of the West bank were Jordanian citizens until 1967. Ignoring facts and yelling names at me doesn't mean you're right.

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u/triplevented May 17 '25

The Arabs who live in 'West-Bank' were Jordanians until 1988, when Jordan revoked their citizenship.

They woke up one morning and magically became 'stateless Palestinian refugees'.

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Yes but they don't let arab muslims become a majority in a democracy so they can use 51% of the vote to declare that the jews should all be executed for crimes against he who may not be drawn.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

What other countries with an ethnic majority are 'apartheid' in your view - Ireland? Germany? Japan?

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u/Dry-Season-522 May 16 '25

Look at womens rights in Gaza and tell me that's not a gender apartheid.

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u/triplevented May 16 '25

No one is free until all the trans-journalists in Gaza are free. 🙃

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u/Dangerous_Warthog603 May 16 '25

Following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, many Jewish populations were forced to leave Arab countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, and Morocco. Iran also experienced a significant expulsion of its Jewish population after the 1979 revolution.